Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

23-10-2013 11:01PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

yes , this situation , kinda different to other situations , but maybe similar

Again, what is "this situation"?

tayto lover wrote: »

Answered already. They sorted out the problem and realised that all was above board. Hindsight now.

So the only danger was the flight risk that only existed because of the manufactured situation. You said we can't be sure, I think we can be fairly sure there are no other dangers because if there were the kid wouldn't have been handed back yet.

My name is URL wrote: »

Fcukin jeniuses they are

Any word on that murdered Garda yet.. or are all resources being pumped into tackling welfare cheats and hysterical media based justice-porn fanatics?

They still have posters up around Dundalk.

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 11:02PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Online or not you would have got the same answer.

Would you not expect a professional police officer to corroborate some critical information?

Overdahill · 23-10-2013 11:02PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

but the HSE were involved , so its not just on the word of the cops , they must also had a fear , as did the judge that must have been involved to grant the order

they all must have seen something to warrant this action

Oh dear. I think you are very naive.

gandalf · 23-10-2013 11:02PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If I rang the airport to book a 7 a.m. flight to Madrid and they told me there was no 7 a.m. flight would I be responsible for the mistake if there was?

This is not a flight this is a child and a family we are talking about. As a parent I would be distraught if my son was taken from me in this fashion. The fact that the day after this child was taken there was confirmation from the hospital that she was indeed born there suggests that people jumped to conclusions based on partial information and the fact that the parents were Roma.

Yes they are responsible because in a case like this you need to ensure all the facts were checked. They didn't.

Fussgangerzone · 23-10-2013 11:03PM

the_monkey wrote: »

No, But it's a beautiful culture !!

We are RACISTS and Xenophobe's if we criticize this ... Lovely lovely people they are ....

No, I think we're all on the same side when it comes to people selling their daughters, or committing acts of child abuse. Much as I hesitate to speak for others.

The people who did it should be locked up. Not everybody who looks like them.

23-10-2013 11:04PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

An almost identical case of potential child abduction - a blonde kid with dark hair and dark eyed Roma who can't provide the documents to prove the kid is who they it is.

What documents would have been satisfactory?

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So the only danger was the flight risk that only existed because of the manufactured situation. You said we can't be sure, I think we can be fairly sure there are no other dangers because if there were the kid wouldn't have been handed back yet.

Again we don't know what the discussion or investigation threw up.
Its all supposition as yet until we find out.

wp_rathead · 23-10-2013 11:04PM

Fussgangerzone wrote: »

No, I think we're all on the same side when it comes to people selling their daughters, or committing acts of child abuse. Much as I hesitate to speak for others.

The people who did it should be locked up. Not everybody who looks like them.

This

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 11:05PM

the_monkey wrote: »

We are RACISTS and Xenophobe's if we criticize this ... Lovely lovely people they are ....

Its not 'We'. Its just you:

the_monkey wrote: »

yeah, doesn't matter that they are teaching her to pickpocket and steal and beg ...

23-10-2013 11:05PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Again we don't know what the discussion or investigation threw up.
Its all supposition as yet until we find out.

If there is evidence of abuse/neglect then why would the kid be handed back?

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:06PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If I rang the airport to book a 7 a.m. flight to Madrid and they told me there was no 7 a.m. flight would I be responsible for the mistake if there was?

No, but if you booked your hotels and car rentals based on this you'd be responsible for them.

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:07PM

gandalf wrote: »

This is not a flight this is a child and a family we are talking about. As a parent I would be distraught if my son was taken from me in this fashion. The fact that the day after this child was taken there was confirmation from the hospital that she was indeed born there suggests that people jumped to conclusions based on partial information and the fact that the parents were Roma.

Yes they are responsible because in a case like this you need to ensure all the facts were checked. They didn't.

I would expect to get proper information if I contacted a hospital registrar for information too.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:08PM

Fussgangerzone wrote: »

The people who did it should be locked up. Not everybody who looks like them.

Or even who doesn't look like them...

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:08PM

Overdahill wrote: »

Oh dear. I think you are very naive.

oh pray tell why ?

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If there is evidence of abuse/neglect then why would the kid be handed back?

I didn't read anything about abuse and neglect but the child in Greece does not seem to have suffered that either.

bb12 · 23-10-2013 11:08PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

documents not matching up at the time is reason enough to think something is not as it should be , she could have been kidnapped until proven otherwise. simple

jeeze my mum had my date of birth wrong until they had to order my birth certificate for my first communion. my birthday was a great cause of confusion for everyone else and me for several years afterwards! guess that what happens when you come along down the line after a few kids. how many parents would know where or even have close to hand their kids birth certs?

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 11:09PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I would expect to get proper information if I contacted a hospital registrar for information too.

in this day an age you would think records like this would be stored digitally and the Gardaí could search them if needed. like linking all records to the mothers pps number and so on

23-10-2013 11:09PM

There is something very, very wrong about children being taken away because they don't look like their parents. People used to stare a bit because my brother doesn't look like the my siblings or dad (we're olive skinned and dark haired and he's pasty and fair haired). Imagine if some busy body had called the police thinking we'd abducted him.

It's just mental that society doesn't appear to have really moved on from witchhunts. One Roma family appears to have stolen a child, so now any Roma/dark skinned family with a fair-haired child is under suspicion? A child who appears to have been living in Tallaght for years with her family is suddenly taken away because some busybody neighbour has seen the Maria story on RTE News?

23-10-2013 11:09PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I didn't read anything about abuse and neglect but the child in Greece does not seem to have suffered that either.

So the investigation here through up nothing?

My name is URL · 23-10-2013 11:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

What kind of rubbish are you talking now. Worse than your usual bull.

You said it yourself in another thread... money, resources and time is being spent on this stuff. On things which are designed to appease the hive minded sense of 'justice', while people and communities in need of crime detection and deterrence have to do without any small semblance of those things.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:11PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

in this day an age you would think records like this would be stored digitally and the Gardaí could search them if needed. like linking all records to the mothers pps number and so on

Wouldn't they have a good chance with her passport number if they followed that?

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So the investigation here through up nothing?

None of us know what it threw up in fairness.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:11PM

bb12 wrote: »

jeeze my mum had my date of birth wrong until they had to order my birth certificate for my first communion. my birthday was a great cause of confusion for everyone else and me for several years afterwards! guess that what happens when you come along down the line after a few kids. how many parents would know where or even have close to hand their kids birth certs?

when the cops are walking out the door with your kids , i would image you would find them fairly quick
me i know where my kids ones are

the cops had no option

constance tench · 23-10-2013 11:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We don't know that and we are all guessing.
The Garda's side of this has not been made public, just media and forum opinions. We don't know what took place or what conversations were had.

In fairness, this[flight risk] decision should only be made in court.

13.—(1) If a justice of the District Court is of opinion on the application of a health board that there is reasonable cause to believe that—(a) there is an immediate and serious risk to the health or welfare of a child which necessitates his being placed in the care of a health board, or (b) there is likely to be such a risk if the child is removed from the place where he is for the time being,

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1991/en/act/pub/0017/sec0013.html#sec13

RustyNut · 23-10-2013 11:13PM

tayto lover wrote: »

How do you know a cleaner answered the phone?

It's only an allegation but it has been made now so let's see the cleaner prove that it wasn't him that answered it.

emo72 · 23-10-2013 11:13PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XquxZQ0f42U

clear case of child abuse at 26 seconds.:p

Nodin · 23-10-2013 11:13PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

when the cops are walking out the door with your kids , i would image you would find them fairly quick
me i know where my kids ones are

the cops had no option

Yes, they did.

23-10-2013 11:13PM

tayto lover wrote: »

None of us know what it threw up in fairness.

Do you believe it did? The idea that it may have done seems like an attempt to muddy the waters a bit.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:13PM

mhge wrote: »

Wouldn't they have a good chance with her passport number if they followed that?

could have been a false passport , they have to check , this takes time , do you think the Irish cops have direct access to the country of origin's passport data ?

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yes, they did.

and that was what?

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