Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:10PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Blond, presumed kidnapped girl in Greece + Roma + Blond Girl in Ireland + Roma = Blond Kidnapped Girl in Ireland.

It may well be that the problem is that people didn't ignore the news from Greece and jumped to the conclusion de jour.

it was a jump - that is plain to see , but in fairness to the cops , not a huge one
if it happens elsewhere , i can happen here

watch the documentary i posted earlier - it makes for compelling watching, and would make me more suspect of this group , seeing they have a history of child exploitation.

or we could just ignore all this information

Annasopra · 23-10-2013 08:11PM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

I don't think that has been signed into law yet by President Higgins due to the appeal against it (unless he signed it this week during his trip to South America) so presumably the Gardai can't employ that yet.

What? The President cant refuse to sign a referendum result!!!!!!!

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 08:11PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Didn't realize the Irish child care act was in force in Greece. Do you have a link for that?

Do you think the child in Greece was at risk?

baldbear · 23-10-2013 08:11PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

great news !!!

so its not a kidnapped child - so the cops done the right thing in proving it was not kidnapped. the system works

lets all join hands and rejoice !!!

And the poor family are still seperated because some bs forms have to cleared. The whole matter was handled terribly. But they are only Romas so who cares.

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 08:11PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

LOL

so , the garda walk away from the door , and suddenly the family do a vanishing act with the kid , and that is not a risk ???

your link proves nothing - i asked to show me the one they broke.
you have no idea what wen on in the house that day - so have no idea what they might or might not have broke

you forget that the word of the garda on the spot , at the time is worth a lot to a judge making an order

strangely - the word of a random internet dude is not

i will bet that the garda do not get sanctioned over taking the child

What evidence do you have that they were on the verge of doing a "vanishing act"?

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:11PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Works both ways that one

that is one that was not lost on me , that is why i said it
switch your sarcasm detector on

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:11PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Do you think the Gardaí should not check out suspected cases of child abduction or not?

I don't know why you'd ask me this.

Too much jumping to conclusions all round I think.

Mahogany Gaspipe · 23-10-2013 08:12PM

Reported on sky news that the child is that of the parents.

http://news.sky.com/story/1158824/dna-tests-prove-girl-is-daughter-of-roma-couple

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 08:12PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

it was a jump - that is plain to see , but in fairness to the cops , not a huge one
if it happens elsewhere , i can happen here

watch the documentary i posted earlier - it makes for compelling watching, and would make me more suspect of this group , seeing they have a history of child exploitation.

or we could just ignore all this information

Should we generalise an entire culture over the acts of individuals ? You cant go around assuming somebody has done something wrong because it happened in a different country

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:13PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What evidence do you have that they were on the verge of doing a "vanishing act"?

what evidence do you have that they were not , you see , if they did , its to late to act , that is why the cops did what they did

no point closing the gate after the horse has bolted, this is why they hold people until AFTER they have investigated

basic cop practice

Get Real · 23-10-2013 08:13PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

but this all would be correct - but for one thing

the case in Greece - the cops would have been hung if they ignored this information , no matter how tenuous

true, but in a way thats my point. General theme- cops in Greece, Roma camp, girl found. Facebook tip off in Ireland, Roma, "Jesus lets go round to their door and save that child".
I'm saying would this swift and traumatising action have happened if an accusation were made towards an Irish couple, if I accused you or your friend or something?

Sala · 23-10-2013 08:15PM

The Gardai should not just sweep in and take a child away based on someone elses suspicious. Both Roma children taken in Dublin have been returned to their parents. This is a very traumatic experience for a child. If they are cared for well and not in danger they should monitor them if they feel they are a flight risk and do the DNA testing, then decide

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:15PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Should we generalise an entire culture over the acts of individuals ? You cant go around assuming somebody has done something wrong because it happened in a different country[/QUOTE]

never heard of international child smuggling rings?

prudence my good man , prudence

petrolcan · 23-10-2013 08:16PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

they got in contact with the hospital, with the details they were provided with,
the HOSPITAL told them no match was made

how is that the cops fault ?

Because a cop should have went to see for themselves.

Mr. Chrome · 23-10-2013 08:16PM

Sky news reporting another child taken off a Roma couple on the island of Lesbos in Greece.

LionelNashe · 23-10-2013 08:16PM

Do people believe that there should be a nationwide house to house inspection of every Roma dwelling, line up the kids, check their eye colour and hair colour, and interview the parents for 2 or 3 hours and ask for documents?

It will be traumatic for the kids, but if it was ok in these two cases this week then surely we can't just wait for the public to report their neighbours. Shouldn't we be proactive?

My experience of ringing hospitals and trying to get through to somebody isn't great, so maybe we should prepare some extra spaces in foster homes for any blonde haired kids while we wait the results of DNA tests? Or we could reopen Mosney for them; a kind of a camp.

In fact, why not widen the search a bit? There must be plenty of Irish children who don't look like their parents. Maybe they've been kidnapped. It's unlikely, but we can't be sure. We have to put the child's welfare first. Maybe everyone should have a swarm of cops turn up on the doorstep to make sure their papers are in order.

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:16PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

it was a jump - that is plain to see , but in fairness to the cops , not a huge one
if it happens elsewhere , i can happen here

watch the documentary i posted earlier - it makes for compelling watching, and would make me more suspect of this group , seeing they have a history of child exploitation.

or we could just ignore all this information

Nobody is arguing that child abduction isn't serious or that the Gardai shouldn't have investigated this case or anything like that.

The question is whether they had to choose the nuclear option of taking a child into protective custody.

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 08:16PM

Get Real wrote: »

true, but in a way thats my point. General theme- cops in Greece, Roma camp, girl found. Facebook tip off in Ireland, Roma, "Jesus lets go round to their door and save that child".
I'm saying would this swift and traumatising action have happened if an accusation were made towards an Irish couple, if I accused you or your friend or something?

I heard a SW saying today on radio that it happens quite often in Ireland.

force eleven · 23-10-2013 08:17PM

This whole episode, smacks of Germany c1933. Paranoia, racial stereotyping already in action. Next, a general round up of the Roma population at large. Badly handled to put it very mildly.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:17PM

Get Real wrote: »

true, but in a way thats my point. General theme- cops in Greece, Roma camp, girl found. Facebook tip off in Ireland, Roma, "Jesus lets go round to their door and save that child".
I'm saying would this swift and traumatising action have happened if an accusation were made towards an Irish couple, if I accused you or your friend or something?

id say it would happen , we just would not have heard about it , becasue it would not be a global news topic at the time

irish people get their kids taken off them all the time , some justly , some not
but the point is , the cops HAVE TO ACT on info provided , ITS THE LAW

tomdempsey200 · 23-10-2013 08:18PM

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Sky news reporting another child taken off a Roma couple on the island of Lesbos in Greece.

proper order..

petrolcan · 23-10-2013 08:18PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does no one here see these are supposed to be exceptional powers not to be used willy nilly yet 2 case in so many days ?

Kneejerk reaction hangover from Greece.

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 08:18PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Nobody is arguing that child abduction isn't serious or that the Gardai shouldn't have investigated this case or anything like that.

The question is whether they had to choose the nuclear option of taking a child into protective custody.

Someone posted earlier that there was no other option.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:19PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Nobody is arguing that child abduction isn't serious or that the Gardai shouldn't have investigated this case or anything like that.

The question is whether they had to choose the nuclear option of taking a child into protective custody.

and my opinion is they were right - do it every time , until its proven they are wrong

that is how it works - to many cases of kids being left in harms way becasue nothing was done at the time of reporting

the baby p case in the uk among others springs to mind

Pompey Magnus · 23-10-2013 08:20PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

Do people believe that there should be a nationwide house to house inspection of every Roma dwelling, line up the kids, check their eye colour and hair colour, and interview the parents for 2 or 3 hours and ask for documents?

It will be traumatic for the kids, but if it was ok in these two cases this week then surely we can't just wait for the public to report their neighbours. Shouldn't we be proactive?

My experience of ringing hospitals and trying to get through to somebody isn't great, so maybe we should prepare some extra spaces in foster homes for any blonde haired kids while we wait the results of DNA tests? Or we could reopen Mosney for them; a kind of a camp.

In fact, why not widen the search a bit? There must be plenty of Irish children who don't look like their parents. Maybe they've been kidnapped. It's unlikely, but we can't be sure. We have to put the child's welfare first. Maybe everyone should have a swarm of cops turn up on the doorstep to make sure their papers are in order.

If anyone complains they must have something to hide and so they deserve extra stringent checking!

strandroad · 23-10-2013 08:21PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

In fact, why not widen the search a bit? There must be plenty of Irish children who don't look like their parents. Maybe they've been kidnapped.

In fact they may have the same hair/eye colour and still be kidnapped. That's here the real fun with testing starts...

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:21PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Someone posted earlier that there was no other option.

People post their own personal opinions around here all of the time.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:22PM

Phoebas wrote: »

People post their own personal opinions around here all of the time.

that does not exclude them from being correct opinions

23-10-2013 08:22PM

Usual suspects defending everything the Gardai do and could do, so predictable sometimes.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:23PM

mhge wrote: »

In fact they may have the same hair/eye colour and still be kidnapped. That's here the real fun with testing starts...

on that very point someone on newstalk was calling for world wide DNA retrieval at birth , world wide , to help in cases like this

welcome to a brave new world

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