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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #542
    jersey101
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    What fraction are autumn? Mine holding 16L delivered on average also, but good few May/June calvers, and about 10% autumn calving so far. Just being fed grass, spring ladies giving less than 15 get 2kg a day and the rest 4-6 depending on yield. Jersey, how come you have yours on silage?

    the redstart is 80% water so i put the silage in for fibre. No fibre in the grass id say is rank as hell.


  • #543
    Timmaay
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    Fair enough, I'm letting the cows pick away at either hay or straw also, dung is pure liquid at the minute.


  • #544
    jersey101
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    Fair enough, I'm letting the cows pick away at either hay or straw also, dung is pure liquid at the minute.

    its tge worst silage i have aswell. Neay like haylage. Its all from a field that was full of white grass


  • #545
    whelan1
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    Fair enough, I'm letting the cows pick away at either hay or straw also, dung is pure liquid at the minute.
    i put mine in on silage and straw for an hour after milking yesterday and today.. protein at 3.65-good for me - and bf dropped from 4.2 to 3.8 - so hopefully it will go up now lactose at 4.55


  • #546
    Timmaay
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    BF holding fine by me at 4.4. I just don't like being sh$ted on in the parlour :P


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  • #547
    jersey101
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    Lactose came in at 4.41. Thought it was a bit low but father said it was fine


  • #548
    Timmaay
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    jersey101 wrote: »
    Lactose came in at 4.41. Thought it was a bit low but father said it was fine

    Hmm I just looked at the agrilink website there now, I know I said yday about the 2cent lactose fine for being under 4.2, but this states otherwise :eek:
    Lactose
    Lactose is the % of Lactose (Sugar) content of milk for the month.

    Lactose content of Milk will be used as an indicator of poor quality late lactation milk. To this end, milk with lactose levels in excess of 4.35% will receive a bonus of 3p/gallon that is 0.75p/test in the months of October and November based on four lactose readings per month.

    Quality Conditions:

    A minimum of 3% of annual superlevy quota will apply for November, to qualifying suppliers.
    Lactose Content:

    Less than 4.2% - is unsuitable for processing into any product.
    4.21 - 4.35% - Fair Quality
    Greater than 4.35% - Good Quality.
    Why:-

    The quality of milk supplies in the Autumn is crucial for our product range to ensure maximum usage. Poor quality late lactation milk will cause serious problem in product quality, flavour and stability.

    With advice from Moorpark experts Milk with lactose less than 4.2% level is considered unsuitable for any product.

    Corrective Procedure:

    To improve lactose % in Autumn milk you are advised to exclude from bulk tank.

    Milk from cows yielding less than 1.5 gallons per day.
    Milk from cows in excess of 300 days in lactation
    Milk from cows in poor body condition.
    Milk from sick/stressed/high SCC cows.
    Once a day milk.
    You should ensure you dry off heifers.
    Maintain a good plane of nutrition for all milking cows.
    Notification to Suppliers:

    Suppliers will receive results over the coming months on lactose content of their milk. Corrective action should be taken in the Autumn months.


  • #549
    Viewtodiefor
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    delaval wrote: »
    Were on 4 kg till 7 days ago but too slow grazing.

    Now on 3kg 12% ration from Glanbia nothing special and really good quality grass. Covers 2000 and grazing out well

    Mine are on 3kg 16% ration. Grass quality is good too and plenty of it. Last few milk urea was 35 n 40. Maybe it's because I have a good few heifers this year holding them back.


  • #550
    delaval
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    You know off the top of your head what that's costing ya per ton?

    I do


  • #551
    Brown Podzol
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    B 4.99. p 3.99 15.5 lts 2 kg 16%. Stocked at 4 to ha. so no bother achieving grazing targets. Spread 30 units up to last day and followed cows with 3500 gls dilute slurry for the month of Sept. applied with trailing shoe . Getting a very worthwhile response.Covers 2000. Will introduce silage after the weekend.


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  • #552
    jersey101
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    B 4.99. p 3.99 15.5 lts 2 kg 16%. Stocked at 4 to ha. so no bother achieving grazing targets. Spread 30 units up to last day and followed cows with 3500 gls dilute slurry for the month of Sept. applied with trailing shoe . Getting a very worthwhile response.Covers 2000. Will introduce silage after the weekend.

    serious solids and a serious stocking rate. How much meal would you feed per cow


  • #553
    Brown Podzol
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    jersey101 wrote: »
    serious solids and a serious stocking rate. How much meal would you feed per cow
    Average year 1 ton. Last year 1.5 ton. Won't know this year's until profit monitor in Jan. but I suspect will be nearer to 1.5 than 1.


  • #554
    delaval
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    Average year 1 ton. Last year 1.5 ton. Won't know this year's until profit monitor in Jan. but I suspect will be nearer to 1.5 than 1.
    You must be growing a good shot of grass. Do you know how many tonnes?


  • #555
    jersey101
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    Average year 1 ton. Last year 1.5 ton. Won't know this year's until profit monitor in Jan. but I suspect will be nearer to 1.5 than 1.

    good lot of meal. Is it worth it in a bad milk price year?


  • #556
    delaval
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    jersey101 wrote: »
    good lot of meal. Is it worth it in a bad milk price year?
    Jer at that stocking rate and if he's cutting some silage on dairy block his sr could hit 6 in mid season so not too high imo. 1 tonne necessary for hi sr


  • #557
    jersey101
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    delaval wrote: »
    Jer at that stocking rate and if he's cutting some silage on dairy block his sr could hit 6 in mid season so not too high imo. 1 tonne necessary for hi sr

    were fed 900kg last year with a stocking rate of 3.5. Highest in the year. Need to get p and k sorted out a bit better with numbers rising


  • #558
    Brown Podzol
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    I think so. Herd was + 300 on milk. Crossed with nz friesian so now + 200. No problem supplying 6000lts at 4.2 f and 3.5 p. All bulls used with the last three years are over + 400 on milk so I should get a good response.


  • #559
    delaval
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    Viewtodiefor wrote: »
    Mine are on 3kg 16% ration. Grass quality is good too and plenty of it. Last few milk urea was 35 n 40. Maybe it's because I have a good few heifers this year holding them back.[/QUOTE]
    No doubt heifers will hold you. This is the first year in a while with less than 25% heifers makes a big difference to supply. It's an area that will become appearant to many after 2015


  • #560
    Brown Podzol
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    delaval wrote: »
    Jer at that stocking rate and if he's cutting some silage on dairy block his sr could hit 6 in mid season so not too high imo. 1 tonne necessary for hi sr
    Just take out surpluses, c. 4 to 500kg dry matter per cow.


  • #561
    delaval
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Del boy if you reach 56-57/litre for these cows what way will the costs be in relation to over quota penelty at 28c/litre if you had been in that jam.
    56c/litre take away 28 for fine
    thats 28c left to cover production costs. My VC's are 9.65 and Fixed 12.54(land charge on all lands inc my own).

    That's 28 minus 22.19 leaves 5.8c for me.

    Thats grand but the effect on cash flow would be the biggest problem next spring.

    I had an arrangement with the bank to finance the fine for 5 years as it would have been considerable. I had this lease in my sights and a verbal agreement but needed a default position in case it didn't work out, hence loan agreement

    It was based on 84 payment @ 5.6%. It would have cost €403/100k litres per month. I would be very wary of putting my cashflow under pressure in the spring


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  • #562
    delaval
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    Just take out surpluses, c. 4 to 500kg dry matter per cow.

    500 kg + 1.3 tonne dm from meal, how do you get the rest of the dm into them?


  • #563
    delaval
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    What fraction are autumn? Mine holding 16L delivered on average also, but good few May/June calvers, and about 10% autumn calving so far. Just being fed grass, spring ladies giving less than 15 get 2kg a day and the rest 4-6 depending on yield. Jersey, how come you have yours on silage?

    Tim we have about 2% fresh cows, the ones no one would buy. I'll milk and cull I'm Spring. Will end up at 3% that's why lactose is a concern


  • #564
    keep going
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    Do peopl realise that milk at 5 % b/f is using over 1.25 litres of quota compared to milk at 4% so they should really be taking 35 cent off late milk for superlevy and not 28.


  • #565
    keep going
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    delaval wrote: »
    56c/litre take away 28 for fine
    thats 28c left to cover production costs. My VC's are 9.65 and Fixed 12.54(land charge on all lands inc my own).

    That's 28 minus 22.19 leaves 5.8c for me.

    Thats grand but the effect on cash flow would be the biggest problem next spring.

    I had an arrangement with the bank to finance the fine for 5 years as it would have been considerable. I had this lease in my sights and a verbal agreement but needed a default position in case it didn't work out, hence loan agreement

    It was based on 84 payment @ 5.6%. It would have cost €403/100k litres per month. I would be very wary of putting my cashflow under pressure in the spring
    So im right in saying thats 33keuro per 100k or 6.6 cent a litre.you wouldnt want to pay a couple of years of it.


  • #566
    delaval
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    keep going wrote: »
    So im right in saying thats 33keuro per 100k or 6.6 cent a litre.you wouldnt want to pay a couple of years of it.

    It's €33850 for 100k litres so that's 3.4c/litre per year

    But it would have been for two years making it 7c. My other option was to go to the exchange and buy at 15c for one year and still not get enough


  • #567
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Would we be better off in las vegas than doing what we are doing , at least we d have pretty women around us


  • #568
    jomoloney
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    keep going wrote: »
    So im right in saying thats 33keuro per 100k or 6.6 cent a litre.you wouldnt want to pay a couple of years of it.


    people (just like teagasc) like to overlook little equations like this

    we're on a rotten base here (3.65) pushing bf and paying sl fine on it as a result is like pi$$ing into the wind

    better off to concentrate on how improve profit via other routes, mainly cull cow /cost of replacement value, and bull calf value


  • #569
    kevthegaff
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    wer gona get fined whatever we do:(


  • #570
    td5man
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    keep going wrote: »
    Would we be better off in las vegas than doing what we are doing , at least we d have pretty women around us

    OMG so you dont think youre ladies are good looking. o_O


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  • #571
    jomoloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭jomoloney


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    wer gona get fined whatever we do:(


    just waiting for the post to see last months price, ( and how much quota I've left)

    looks like a fine is unavoidable at this stage, hopefully we won't have a late expensive spring like last year , that was worse than any fine


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