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delaval · 16-10-2013 05:18PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Do that here when we have the oppertunity. Going that close to calving you will have to dry off the cow in the condition you want her to calve on. What I do is manipulate the protein in the overall diet to ensure the cow is gaining condition while milking. No diet feeding here, just test silages and order ration to suit. Lact was not a problem when cow was gaining condition. Milky cow here so often fed seven/eight kg meal but not unusual to be getting 20 lts up to 40 days before calving. Solids will drop away as you go on silage but at present milk price you will make a lot of money.

We had all cows through the crush as we were testing. Vet doing his thing as we were scoring the cows. I am confident that condition is good.

I am curious about you comments on feeding. It's new to me to be pushing to fill a quota. In my experience I found extra protein while it gets milk it can take it off their back.

In a previous life I had all the ingredients off by heart. My silage is being tested next week and I'll post results. I don't intent introducing silage till Nov.

I need to graze 60% so need all mouths working and will house winter milkers at that stage

Basically I want to push cows as hard as I can so what should I feed?

Milked out · 16-10-2013 05:45PM

delaval wrote: »

We had all cows through the crush as we were testing. Vet doing his thing as we were scoring the cows. I am confident that condition is good.

I am curious about you comments on feeding. It's new to me to be pushing to fill a quota. In my experience I found extra protein while it gets milk it can take it off their back.

In a previous life I had all the ingredients off by heart. My silage is being tested next week and I'll post results. I don't intent introducing silage till Nov.

I need to graze 60% so need all mouths working and will house winter milkers at that stage

Basically I want to push cows as hard as I can so what should I feed?

Do you have many fresh calvers making up the winter milk supply?? I seem to struggle with lactose here as well around this time of year but once cows are housed and more fresh calvers enter the fray it recovers back up for the winter supply. A bit more worried now as fresh calvers calving two weeks later than previously and lactose monthly avg must be 4.5 or above for Nov to feb or bonus gets affected. Feeding 2 kgs of 14%p to stale cows but they were grazing strong covers but lactose is down to 4.4

Brown Podzol · 16-10-2013 05:59PM

delaval wrote: »

We had all cows through the crush as we were testing. Vet doing his thing as we were scoring the cows. I am confident that condition is good.

I am curious about you comments on feeding. It's new to me to be pushing to fill a quota. In my experience I found extra protein while it gets milk it can take it off their back.

In a previous life I had all the ingredients off by heart. My silage is being tested next week and I'll post results. I don't intent introducing silage till Nov.

I need to graze 60% so need all mouths working and will house winter milkers at that stage

Basically I want to push cows as hard as I can so what should I feed?

Keep the protein in the feed lowish. Good ration,high cereal content, rule of thumb, 14 percent p at grass, 16 with grass silage, 18 with maize silage. Lotsa variables here, present cow condition quality of forage etc. I don't have to tell you that your walking a tightrope to a certain extent. Calving cows in poor body condition and you will cough up all the short term gain in next years lactation.

delaval · 16-10-2013 06:24PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Keep the protein in the feed lowish. Good ration,high cereal content, rule of thumb, 14 percent p at grass, 16 with grass silage, 18 with maize silage. Lotsa variables here, present cow condition quality of forage etc. I don't have to tell you that your walking a tightrope to a certain extent. Calving cows in poor body condition and you will cough up all the short term gain in next years lactation.

The rations your suggesting is as I thought.
I would be very careful with BCS.
My problem with lac is that I will be winter milking with very few autumn calvers. I sold most of them as I expected to be caught with quota, as luck would have it the chance of the extra quota came days after I did the deal so I couldn't pull out

mf240 · 16-10-2013 07:25PM

I find beet pulp nuts great for keeping up lactose, don't know why.

I would agree with all what brown podzol says above.

loveta · 16-10-2013 08:07PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Keep the protein in the feed lowish. Good ration,high cereal content, rule of thumb, 14 percent p at grass, 16 with grass silage, 18 with maize silage. Lotsa variables here, present cow condition quality of forage etc. I don't have to tell you that your walking a tightrope to a certain extent. Calving cows in poor body condition and you will cough up all the short term gain in next years lactation.

I use an independent nutritionalist here and he reckons once a cow is on leaf grass its energy not protein she wants he even went as far as if you could get a hi maize beef ration with mag in it you would be better than a dairy nut. But when we were on the maize it would be a min 21%+ protein

Brown Podzol · 16-10-2013 08:38PM

delaval wrote: »

The rations your suggesting is as I thought.
I would be very careful with BCS.
My problem with lac is that I will be winter milking with very few autumn calvers. I sold most of them as I expected to be caught with quota, as luck would have it the chance of the extra quota came days after I did the deal so I couldn't pull out

This is the perfect year to do this. As you say yourself grain and milk prices are joined at the hip. But there are lags and leads contracts to be worked through etc. Grain prices are coming down and milk price holding. This extra output will dilute all fixed costs and most variable costs except feed and electricity and labour if you cost it.3 to 4 of your lts. will cover these costs. Added benefit of cash flow. Keep c/a and merchant bills under control and the big summer cheques are yours::

Timmaay · 16-10-2013 08:56PM

Low lactose is a 2cent penalty, but if your solids are pushing you towards a 50c/l milk price I'd be certainly taking the hit and milking on.

td5man · 16-10-2013 09:35PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Low lactose is a 2cent penalty, but if your solids are pushing you towards a 50c/l milk price I'd be certainly taking the hit and milking on.

Its spreading :-) ;-)

jomoloney · 16-10-2013 10:55PM

td5man wrote: »

Its spreading :-) ;-)

dry cow and sealer needed asap

Bactidiaryl · 17-10-2013 01:49AM

Yeah we got it. Received

td5man · 17-10-2013 06:05AM

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Yeah we got it. Received

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freedominacup · 17-10-2013 06:08AM

td5man wrote: »

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+1

Farmer Pudsey · 17-10-2013 08:29AM

Timmaay wrote: »

Low lactose is a 2cent penalty, but if your solids are pushing you towards a 50c/l milk price I'd be certainly taking the hit and milking on.

I have heard the saying that it is soo good you say it twice but 5 times Timmaay :rolleyes:

Timmaay · 17-10-2013 09:57AM

Ha, bloody mobile, if your connection is dodgy (like mine is the whole time!), then don't just keep clicking post like I must have!

freedominacup · 17-10-2013 10:16AM

46.3c/l here. HO's don't do butterfat but protein is respectable @3.83 BF @ 4.31

td5man · 17-10-2013 11:35AM

freedominacup wrote: »

46.3c/l here. HO's don't do butterfat but protein is respectable @3.83 BF @ 4.31

You need some of those hungry runts for butterfat

jersey101 · 17-10-2013 01:19PM

49 c/l for sept milk. Bf 4.93 Pr 3.97. Happy with that

Bactidiaryl · 17-10-2013 02:19PM

td5man wrote: »

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loveta · 17-10-2013 03:42PM

jersey101 wrote: »

49 c/l for sept milk. Bf 4.93 Pr 3.97. Happy with that

super solids there jersey, what are those ladies of yours averaging daily at the moment?

Farmer Pudsey · 17-10-2013 04:00PM

delaval wrote: »

Glanbia base 39

We came in at 47
Fat. 4.8
Pro. 3.8

Losing on fixed price but luckily only small % fixed. Will exit 1st scheme in Dec
2nd scheme should yield a top up of 3c that's my best stab it it. As the price has passed 36 in July top up should yield 3c

We have none in latest scheme

Fat and p on yesterday collection
F 5.16
P 3.96
With winter bonus of 6c we should be hitting 56-57c for Oct milk. That's presuming no penalty and grazing conditions remain good

Del boy if you reach 56-57/litre for these cows what way will the costs be in relation to over quota penelty at 28c/litre if you had been in that jam.

jersey101 · 17-10-2013 04:40PM

loveta wrote: »

super solids there jersey, what are those ladies of yours averaging daily at the moment?

doing 16l at the moment. very pleased with that

loveta · 17-10-2013 05:41PM

jersey101 wrote: »

doing 16l at the moment. very pleased with that

:eek::eek::eek: i am doing very little more than that and have super grass and pro is only running at the moment of 3.6

delaval · 17-10-2013 06:37PM

jersey101 wrote: »

doing 16l at the moment. very pleased with that

Same here, holding well this year

Viewtodiefor · 17-10-2013 06:49PM

delaval wrote: »

Same here, holding well this year

Lads what are ye feeding them? can ye give a breakdown. I can't get near that figure! 13l at best!

jersey101 · 17-10-2013 07:25PM

loveta wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek: i am doing very little more than that and have super grass and pro is only running at the moment of 3.6

:D:D:D:l mine are on 3kg of 14% ration 5kg redstart 7kg grassand 3kg silage

delaval · 17-10-2013 07:31PM

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Lads what are ye feeding them? can ye give a breakdown. I can't get near that figure! 13l at best!

Were on 4 kg till 7 days ago but too slow grazing.

Now on 3kg 12% ration from Glanbia nothing special and really good quality grass. Covers 2000 and grazing out well

Timmaay · 17-10-2013 07:34PM

What fraction are autumn? Mine holding 16L delivered on average also, but good few May/June calvers, and about 10% autumn calving so far. Just being fed grass, spring ladies giving less than 15 get 2kg a day and the rest 4-6 depending on yield. Jersey, how come you have yours on silage?

Timmaay · 17-10-2013 07:35PM

delaval wrote: »

Now on 3kg 12% ration from Glanbia nothing special

You know off the top of your head what that's costing ya per ton?

whelan1 · 17-10-2013 07:40PM

Timmaay wrote: »

You know off the top of your head what that's costing ya per ton?

if ye are buying in a purchasing group dont give price online, pm

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