Burton: Garda checkpoints on estates to weed out welfare cheats

godwin · 16-10-2013 02:31PM #1

Can they do this? I mean what civil rights does a person have if they get stopped at a check points by welfare and the garda enquiring who they are and where they are going?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/burton-garda-checkpoints-on-estates-to-weed-out-welfare-cheats-29665728.html

Valetta · 16-10-2013 02:34PM

Proper order.

If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear and will be on your way in no time.

Far too many people scamming the system for my liking, and we're all paying for it.

suicide_circus · 16-10-2013 02:34PM

Industrial/business estates, not housing

Cd_doe · 16-10-2013 02:34PM

Can gardai do checkpoints and verify who you are??

Yes...

fishy fishy · 16-10-2013 02:35PM

godwin wrote: »

Can they do this? I mean what civil rights does a person have if they get stopped at a check points by welfare and the garda enquiring who they are and where they are going?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/burton-garda-checkpoints-on-estates-to-weed-out-welfare-cheats-29665728.html

well I suppose they have to put the guards to work somehow. I mean after making sure the elderly have their phone allowance taken from them, they won't be getting any phone calls or alarm calls from people in need because the ones that need it won't have any phones to call from.

A.Partridge · 16-10-2013 02:36PM

Ha ha ha !

It's hilarious that Gardai will be checking out people who are doing a bit of black market work.

I know lots of gardai with two jobs or more ! :pac:

P_1 · 16-10-2013 02:36PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Industrial/business estates, not housing

From the end of the article,

"While Ms Burton said "estates", she later insisted that she meant housing estates rather than industrial estates."

Presume they're going after lads doing nixers

Gatling · 16-10-2013 02:37PM

There already doing it and its apparently a success garda checkpoint's manned by welfare inspectors there working in the airports too for the last 12 - 18 months,

A lot of the time there already looking for particular people and car/ van regs

bumper234 · 16-10-2013 02:38PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

well I suppose they have to put the guards to work somehow. I mean after making sure the elderly have their phone allowance taken from them, they won't be getting any phone calls or alarm calls from people in need because the ones that need it won't have any phones to call from.

Yeah you're right let's not catch those fraudsters who work and claim the dole costing the country millions sure it's only a nixer people have been doing them for years :rolleyes:

Valetta · 16-10-2013 02:39PM

A.Partridge wrote: »

Ha ha ha !

It's hilarious that Gardai will be checking out people who are doing a bit of black market work.

I know lots of gardai with two jobs or more ! :pac:

What's wrong with a guard having more than one job?

bumper234 · 16-10-2013 02:40PM

A.Partridge wrote: »

Ha ha ha !

It's hilarious that Gardai will be checking out people who are doing a bit of black market work.

I know lots of gardai with two jobs or more ! :pac:

They are not claiming the dole though.

Dyr · 16-10-2013 02:41PM

Auntie Joan is setting the coppers on jimmy nixer?

Auntie Joan should ask the coppers if they're doing a bit as as well

How dare these unemployed scoundrels take jobs away from joe taxpayer. Thats what auntie joans jobsbridge scheme is for.

Old Dan Tucker · 16-10-2013 02:41PM

How is this going to work?

Surely they will not just admit they are going to work.

"Where are you off to today?"

"Just going painting a house and will be earning €400 ...doh!!

You caught me fair and square Guard".

Delirium · 16-10-2013 02:41PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Industrial/business estates, not housing

it's housing estates according to the linked article. it's at the very bottom of the text.

While Ms Burton said "estates", she later insisted that she meant housing estates rather than industrial estates.

Cd_doe · 16-10-2013 02:41PM

A.Partridge wrote: »

Ha ha ha !

It's hilarious that Gardai will be checking out people who are doing a bit of black market work.

I know lots of gardai with two jobs or more ! :pac:

Translation : "I know lots of hard working gardai"

bumper234 · 16-10-2013 02:43PM

Old Dan Tucker wrote: »

How is this going to work?

Surely they will not just admit they are going to work.

"Where are you off to today?"

"Just going painting a house and will be earning €400 ...doh!!

You caught me fair and square Guard".

Guards stop you and ask where you are going (usually they stop vans etc ) and take your details, Then the welfare officer who is with the guard will run a check on you and see if you are on the dole system.

godwin · 16-10-2013 02:50PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Then the welfare officer who is with the guard will run a check on you and see if you are on the dole system.

So how will the Welfare Office know you're going to work and not just off down the shops?

legrandemac · 16-10-2013 02:52PM

Maybe the guards could actually go into the estates, and tackle a few drug dealers, you know, the ones that sign on as well, and kill two birds with the one stone!

General General · 16-10-2013 02:52PM

What's this about Weed Checkpoints?

hardCopy · 16-10-2013 02:53PM

godwin wrote: »

So how will the Welfare Office know you're going to work and not just off down the shops?

Or on your way to an interview

jank · 16-10-2013 02:54PM

godwin wrote: »

So how will the Welfare Office know you're going to work and not just off down the shops?

I presume they will have some sort of Intel to go after the right people and not be some ad hoc venture. If a guy is claiming the dole yet is in a van with a few lads, with material, tools, wads of cash and so on, well its not hard to make a case.

godwin · 16-10-2013 02:57PM

jank wrote: »

I presume they will have some sort of Intel to go after the right people , If a guy is claiming the dole yet is in a van with a few lads, with material, tools, wads of cash and so on, well its not hard to make a case.

At random check points?

jank wrote: »

well its not hard to make a case.

Trying to prove it is though.

Gatling · 16-10-2013 02:58PM

godwin wrote: »

So how will the Welfare Office know you're going to work and not just off down the shops?

For instance 4 lads stopped in a van full of tools at 6am at a check point ,explain there off to fix a friend computer welfare checks show there all in receipt of payments ,when they are asked separately all give different stories ,
Information taken ,warrants for the address got follow up investigation finds payslips and so on at the address
Caught red handed

kneemos · 16-10-2013 03:00PM

I may be wrong but I don't think they're allowed cut anybody's dole completly.

A.Partridge · 16-10-2013 03:02PM

Valetta wrote: »

What's wrong with a guard having more than one job?

Plenty..if they are getting paid under the counter.

Valetta · 16-10-2013 03:05PM

A.Partridge wrote: »

Plenty..if they are getting paid under the counter.

Of course, but why did you specify gardai?

hansfrei · 16-10-2013 03:11PM

JBs point translates as - if I can see the suitcase people arriving every Tuesday morning, why can't the fcuking coppers?

A.Partridge · 16-10-2013 03:12PM

Valetta wrote: »

Of course, but why did you specify gardai?

Because gardai are the one's who have been asked to stop people when they leave their estates.

(It just seems a bit ironic, to me.)

Valetta · 16-10-2013 03:24PM

A.Partridge wrote: »

Because gardai are the one's who have been asked to stop people when they leave their estates.

(It just seems a bit ironic, to me.)

But you only said that you know lots of guards with "two jobs or more".

Do you actually know that they are not declaring the extra income and if so it begs two questions:

a) How do you know and

b) have you reported them?

Lyaiera · 16-10-2013 03:41PM

Isn't it a thing that guards aren't legally allowed work a job other than guarding?

Del2005 · 16-10-2013 03:44PM

Valetta wrote: »

But you only said that you know lots of guards with "two jobs or more".

Do you actually know that they are not declaring the extra income and if so it begs two questions:

a) How do you know and

b) have you reported them?

If the double jobbing Gardaì declared the income for the 2nd job it'd only be paid as dole to the people claiming and working. Then there'd be no need to report people working and claiming the dole. Then the revenue could just go after all the people working and not paying tax. Which would mean that they'd still get the people on the dole and working.

So if a Garda, or anyone else, is working a 2nd job and not declaring the income for tax it makes zero difference to stopping people working and claiming the dole.

Burton: Garda checkpoints on estates to weed out welfare cheats

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