Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

Howard Juneau · 15-10-2013 03:24PM

Liamalone wrote: »

Wow, too much to read back, any word on the victim? That was a sickening sound when he got pounded into the ground. Thon bouncer needs jailed for that, total overuse of force.

Wow, total overuse of hyperbole

crybaby · 15-10-2013 03:27PM

Not much sympathy for the guy who got hurt but the bouncer looked like he didn't have a clue what he was doing. I would actually say that body slam was pure luck on his part, the fact that he couldn't even get someone smaller and in a drunken state down on the ground says a lot about his ability as a bouncer. The guy needs to go get himself some basic MMA training so he is better prepared to deal with situations like this in the future.

Ebr sniper · 15-10-2013 03:31PM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile as a moderator I thought you'd have more common sense but obviously not your wisdom as a moderator here must make you so proud! Yes I like airsoft great detective work Sherlock! You have no idea what your taking about or who I am or what I do for work so if you'd stop typing for a few minutes and take your head from your arse you might see a little clearer son!

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 03:32PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Not throwing anything out of anywhere i am just refusing to dance to your tune. You want me to answer your question that's fine...as soon as you answer mine in detail.

What is Your experience working as a doorman and how many years did/have you done it?

Where have you worked?

How would you have dealt with that situation (in detail)

What is your solution to an aggressive person approaching you with malicious intent?

When was the last time you were attacked and how did you deal with it\?

Answer those questions in detail and then i will HAPPILY answer yours.

Are you sure that you dont want my birth cert or dental records? :pac:

I'm not asking you to dance to any tune. All I'm saying that there is ways of restraining people without putting their head into the pavement. You are unwilling to agree with that point and thats why I'm glad you're not a bouncer anymore.

end of the road · 15-10-2013 03:36PM

AckwelFoley wrote: »

Little brat was schooled.

He'll think twice before being a tosser....thats of course if he ever remembers being a little pup.

the old "he'l think twice" bolloxogy, doesn't work, next time he'l probably come armed with a knife just incase some little bouncer boy wants to try play with the big boys

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 03:37PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you sure that you dont want my birth cert or dental records? :pac:

I'm not asking you to dance to any tune. All I'm saying that there is ways of restraining people without putting their head into the pavement. You are unwilling to agree with that point and thats why I'm glad you're not a bouncer anymore.

And yet you cannot tell me how you would do it.:rolleyes:

I have never said i think what the doorman did was right and i have never said it couldn't have been handled better (i have said it could) but you just see doorman=animal. It's pretty obvious to see that you have a chip on your shoulder over some previous incident with a bouncer so i will leave you to your self imposed rage and see if anyone else wishes to debate this reasonably.

EdenHazard · 15-10-2013 03:39PM

Layeth' the smackdowwwwwwn! So funny, what a powerbomb!

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 03:53PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And yet you cannot tell me how you would do it.:rolleyes:

I have never said i think what the doorman did was right and i have never said it couldn't have been handled better (i have said it could) but you just see doorman=animal. It's pretty obvious to see that you have a chip on your shoulder over some previous incident with a bouncer so i will leave you to your self imposed rage and see if anyone else wishes to debate this reasonably.

I posted a technique taught to security staff in the UK which was mocked by you. Knew you'd do it tbh. I see the doorman as someone who put someone's head into the pavement when he was trained to deal with these situations better than that, he has extra responsibilities and consequences for misuse of his skillset.

I've no chip on my shoulder nor have I had trouble with bouncers. I actually know quite a few people that do security work. I'm not in a rage at all, its just valid criticism. Any more assumptions you want to make?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 03:54PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I posted a technique taught to security staff in the UK which was mocked by you. Knew you'd do it tbh. I see the doorman as someone who put someone's head into the pavement when he was trained to deal with these situations better than that, he has extra responsibilities and consequences for misuse of his skillset.

I've no chip on my shoulder nor have I had trouble with bouncers. I actually know quite a few people that do security work. I'm not in a rage at all, its just valid criticism. Any more assumptions you want to make?

Where was he trained? By whom? who is making assumptions now?:rolleyes: and the technique looks good on camera in a controlled environment...try that in the real world and see how you get on.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 03:57PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Where was he trained? By whom? who is making assumptions now?:rolleyes: and the technique looks good on camera in a controlled environment...try that in the real world and see how you get on.

You are going to some lengths to get away from the issue. You cant put people's heads into the pavement, end of really.

Irlandczyk · 15-10-2013 04:07PM

Dempsey wrote: »

You are going to some lengths to get away from the issue. You cant put people's heads into the pavement, end of really.

I understand the bouncers need to protect himself, and I understand that street fighting and reality is a lot more dangerous and dirty than you see in training videos... but there is no way that smashing that guy's head into the pavement was the best action. Now, I've never been a doorman and it's been years since I trained in any martial art, but there really is no way around what that bouncer did being reckless and excessive use of force. Adding to that that the bouncer was the one who made the first move by throwing a kick.

Edit: Looking back on that video it's quite clear that he's been trained in some form of self-defence. He has been trained, that much seems certain. By whom, I've no idea, but I would certainly hope he was taught better than what we seen on camera.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 04:18PM

Dempsey wrote: »

You are going to some lengths to get away from the issue. You cant put people's heads into the pavement, end of really.

If someone attacks you then you can do whatever you like to defend yourself it's called self defence maybe you should look it up.

wp_rathead · 15-10-2013 04:21PM

bumper234 wrote: »

If someone attacks you then you can do whatever you like to defend yourself it's called self defence maybe you should look it up.

but surely not when on duty? Are there any guidelines given about what to do in this situation?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 04:22PM

Irlandczyk wrote: »

I understand the bouncers need to protect himself, and I understand that street fighting and reality is a lot more dangerous and dirty than you see in training videos... but there is no way that smashing that guy's head into the pavement was the best action. Now, I've never been a doorman and it's been years since I trained in any martial art, but there really is no way around what that bouncer did being reckless and excessive use of force. Adding to that that the bouncer was the one who made the first move by throwing a kick.

Edit: Looking back on that video it's quite clear that he's been trained in some form of self-defence. He has been trained, that much seems certain. By whom, I've no idea, but I would certainly hope he was taught better than what we seen on camera.

I agree with you. The guy approaches the doorman aggressively (it has been reported he has already attacked him several times) the doorman rightly moves forward and defends himself. I dont think the doorman meant for the guys head to hit the ground (I don't know maybe he did) and what happened was a bit over the top. Saying that in that situation where you are under attack (never mind the useless security guy watching) what lengths would you go to protect yourself?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 04:23PM

wprathead wrote: »

but surely not when on duty? Are there any guidelines given about what to do in this situation?

A doorman has the same rights as a normal citizen on the streets nothing more nothing less. If you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself so does a doorman.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 04:26PM

bumper234 wrote: »

If someone attacks you then you can do whatever you like to defend yourself it's called self defence maybe you should look it up.

Sounds like you stop reading before it got to the part about reasonable force.

Raging_Ninja · 15-10-2013 04:27PM

bumper234 wrote: »

If someone attacks you then you can do whatever you like to defend yourself

No, you can't. You have to prove that your use of force was warranted and reasonable.

wp_rathead · 15-10-2013 04:28PM

bumper234 wrote: »

A doorman has the same rights as a normal citizen on the streets nothing more nothing less. If you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself so does a doorman.

yes obvo they have right to defend themselvs - I don't envy their job what so ever

but I am curious, are there guidelines in place for what is best course of action to do in this situation? surely risk assesments are carried out?

Raging_Ninja · 15-10-2013 04:30PM

wprathead wrote: »

but surely not when on duty? Are there any guidelines given about what to do in this situation?

Security guards have the same standing under the law as any other person - no more, no less.

Liamalone · 15-10-2013 04:43PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

Wow, total overuse of hyperbole

How so?

cournioni · 15-10-2013 04:46PM

Bikeaaaa bikeeaaaahh grove!

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 04:47PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Sounds like you stop reading before it got to the part about reasonable force.

My idea of reasonable force and your idea of reasonable force would be 2 different things.

MonstaMash · 15-10-2013 04:48PM

bumper234 wrote: »

My idea of reasonable force and your idea of reasonable force would be 2 different things.

:pac::pac::pac:

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 04:54PM

bumper234 wrote: »

My idea of reasonable force and your idea of reasonable force would be 2 different things.

You think a judge r jury would buy that one?

15-10-2013 04:57PM

bumper234 wrote: »

If someone attacks you then you can do whatever you like to defend yourself it's called self defence maybe you should look it up.

LOL.

You think you have the right to kill someone if they hit you a slap?

Maybe educate yourself, it could save you or anyone who thinks the same a jail term!

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 05:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

You think a jury would buy that one?

Buy what? You're the one who seems to think that people can always be talked down and if not you can just do a Jackie Chan/Steven Segal wrist lock on them and hold them till the police arrive. I bet in your head you even have little witty remarks you would use.

In reality if that guy was attacking me I personally would have stepped forward and headbutted him straight in the nose followed by either a swift kick to the balls or a punch to the stomach. Swift effective and I get to go home to my kid. If after seeing the FULL footage of cctv the police felt I needed to be charged then so be it. I say this because I know that if I have hit you I have had a very valid reason to do it.

15-10-2013 05:07PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Buy what? You're the one who seems to think that people can always be talked down and if not you can just do a Jackie Chan/Steven Segal wrist lock on them and hold them till the police arrive. I bet in your head you even have little witty remarks you would use.

In reality if that guy was attacking me I personally would have stepped forward and headbutted him straight in the nose followed by either a swift kick to the balls or a punch to the stomach. Swift effective and I get to go home to my kid. If after seeing the FULL footage of cctv the police felt I needed to be charged then so be it. I say this because I know that if I have hit you I have had a very valid reason to do it.

And what do you think would happen to you if he fell, hit his head and was killed after your super headbutt?

It'd be a stretch inside, and you know what would be stretched.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 05:10PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

And what do you think would happen to you if he fell, hit his head and was killed after your super headbutt?

It'd be a stretch inside, and you know what would be stretched.

And if I let him continue to attack me and he punches me and I hit my head and die? This is the dilemma you face as a doorman do you defend yourself or become a victim?

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 05:13PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Buy what? You're the one who seems to think that people can always be talked down and if not you can just do a Jackie Chan/Steven Segal wrist lock on them and hold them till the police arrive. I bet in your head you even have little witty remarks you would use.

In reality if that guy was attacking me I personally would have stepped forward and headbutted him straight in the nose followed by either a swift kick to the balls or a punch to the stomach. Swift effective and I get to go home to my kid. If after seeing the FULL footage of cctv the police felt I needed to be charged then so be it. I say this because I know that if I have hit you I have had a very valid reason to do it.

Never said everyone could be talked down and I just gave one example being taught in the UK, I'm sure there are more aggressive ones for more dangerous situations but it doesnt involve heads going into pavements, breaking noses or making people sterile.

It sounds like what you think is a valid reason requires a very expensive solicitor.

bizmark · 15-10-2013 05:14PM

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Seen this and was reminded of this thread

Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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