Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

Tom.D.BJJ · 15-10-2013 01:01PM

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you'll treat everything as if it were a nail"

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 01:03PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

A FETAC Level 4 Minor Module in Door Supervisor Procedures is required for any door personnel in order to work in the industry in this country.

http://www.psa.gov.ie/Website/psa/psa.nsf/undefined/newsitems/29E2BB3D191F6EB0802571B90058F739?Opendocument

Yeah and this is what that course entails for your €145

Course Content
The course content is as per the FETAC Module Descriptor (Guarding Skills Level 4 - 4N1118). It is broken down into four units:

• Unit 1. Background and Theory
• Unit 2. Legislation and Regulation
• Unit 3. Retail Security
• Unit 4. Practical and Emergency Procedures

There are two skills demonstrations that each candidate must complete. Each candidate must complete 4 specific practical skills related to workplace familiarisation. There is also a practical examination at the end of the course. The examination will be based on specific learning outcomes and will be one hour in duration. The format of the examination is 40 short answer questions using the tick or cross method. 1 mark each.

What is included?
• FETAC Level 4 minor award Certificate. (No hidden certification charges!)
• Letter in a prescribed manner which enables licence application.
• All course handouts
• Experienced and highly qualified instructors.
• Licence application and instruction on next steps.
• Full back up service to all past students which includes licence application support.

FTA69 · 15-10-2013 01:28PM

I other words you sit in a room for half a day. The bored instructor goes through a few things, you do a tick sheet questionnaire and you can send off for your license. It isn't difficult stuff.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 01:30PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Did you watch the video? It has been pointed out several times and is plain to see that the second doorman does nothing, You say it's an obvious way to deal with it but if you're in that situation where for whatever reason your backup fails then what do you do? What would YOU have done?

Ah yes, I watch the video, that hows I'm able to describe what went on. I also read subsequent reports giving more information about what happened and the guys involved.

Another hypothetical situation! As I said already, a 1v1 shouldnt end with a bouncer putting a guy head first into the pavement. I keep answering the answering the question and you two keep changing the question.

How often does it happen that you ask another bouncer to help you restrain a guy and he doesnt help after you go to restrain him?

AckwelFoley · 15-10-2013 01:38PM

Little brat was schooled.

He'll think twice before being a tosser....thats of course if he ever remembers being a little pup.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 01:41PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Ah yes, I watch the video, that hows I'm able to describe what went on. I also read subsequent reports giving more information about what happened and the guys involved.

Another hypothetical situation! As I said already, a 1v1 shouldnt end with a bouncer putting a guy head first into the pavement. I keep answering the answering the question and you two keep changing the question.

How often does it happen that you ask another bouncer to help you restrain a guy and he doesnt help after you go to restrain him?

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer? You are able to describe what you see but you have no idea what happened previous to the video. You can claim it should not have happened all you like but the fact of the matter is you never have and never will be in a situation like that and therefore yo8r opinion is just that...an opinion.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 01:43PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I other words you sit in a room for half a day. The bored instructor goes through a few things, you do a tick sheet questionnaire and you can send off for your license. It isn't difficult stuff.

It's actually more like 3 days. My instructor was a small South African guy who had 12 years experience working security in the camera room of a Johannesburg casino. He talked about the law for 3 days and then gave us the multiple choice questions. Safe to say everyone passed.

Irlandczyk · 15-10-2013 01:44PM

bumper234 wrote: »

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer?

Does he not have a bouncers ID badge on his right arm? It's mentioned in the article, anyway, though it is perhaps an assumption. Seems the most likely explanation anyway.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 01:47PM

Irlandczyk wrote: »

Does he not have a bouncers ID badge on his right arm? It's mentioned in the article, anyway, though it is perhaps an assumption. Seems the most likely explanation anyway.

He has a security barge on. This does not make him a doorman he could be from the local burger joint or could be one of the taxi rank marshals

FTA69 · 15-10-2013 01:47PM

bumper234 wrote: »

It's actually more like 3 days. My instructor was a small South African guy who had 12 years experience working security in the camera room of a Johannesburg casino. He talked about the law for 3 days and then gave us the multiple choice questions. Safe to say everyone passed.

Ha, mine was four hours long and was the most boring thing I ever did. I was working unlicensed for a while before that.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 01:50PM

bumper234 wrote: »

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer? You are able to describe what you see but you have no idea what happened previous to the video. You can claim it should not have happened all you like but the fact of the matter is you never have and never will be in a situation like that and therefore yo8r opinion is just that...an opinion.

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

15-10-2013 01:53PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

How do you know it was a guy :P

He is deffo a bouncer.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 01:57PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

Irlandczyk · 15-10-2013 02:06PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

Eeh, you sorta gave us the answer to that test before we had a chance to answer. Thanks anyway, I suppose.

Is it not within reason to believe that given he's in the area at the time, given he goes towards the fight, and given that he comes from pretty much the same direction as the bouncer involved, that he's working the same door, or even the same establishment? It actually looks like he goes to help, but at the last minute figures his partner's got this one and walks back to the door...

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 02:06PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

LOL, you were able to read the details on his arm?

Does Ireland and the UK have the same regulations?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 02:07PM

Dempsey wrote: »

LOL, you were able to read the details on his arm?

Does Ireland and the UK have the same regulations?

No....were you?

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 02:10PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No....were you?

A minute ago you were claiming he wasnt a bouncer! Now your saying that he has a different job! :rolleyes:

I never claimed to know his job description other than saying he was wearing a security id. You keep asking me if I watched the video yet you didnt spot the obvious!

chopper6 · 15-10-2013 02:13PM

josip wrote: »

I doubt that you'd use minimum force because your language and tone here are more escalatory than concilatory.

I reckon he's telling fibs about being a bouncer in the first place.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 02:16PM

bumper234 wrote: »

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer? You are able to describe what you see but you have no idea what happened previous to the video. You can claim it should not have happened all you like but the fact of the matter is you never have and never will be in a situation like that and therefore yo8r opinion is just that...an opinion.

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you know it was a guy :P

He is deffo a bouncer.

bumper234 wrote: »

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

Dempsey wrote: »

LOL, you were able to read the details on his arm?

Does Ireland and the UK have the same regulations?

bumper234 wrote: »

No....were you?

Dempsey wrote: »

A minute ago you were claiming he wasnt a bouncer! Now your saying that he has a different job! :rolleyes:

I never claimed to know his job description other than saying he was wearing a security id. You keep asking me if I watched the video yet you didnt spot the obvious!

I never said he wasn't a bouncer i said that is not 100% certain. Regardless of what he is or isn't the fact remains that you are preaching the bouncer should not have used that force but cannot/will not explain how it should have been handled.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 02:24PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I never said he wasn't a bouncer i said that is not 100% certain. Regardless of what he is or isn't the fact remains that you are preaching the bouncer should not have used that force but cannot/will not explain how it should have been handled.

So its near impossible to restrain a guy without putting him head first into the pavement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1abC7KtfiNM

This not work?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 02:37PM

Dempsey wrote: »

So its near impossible to restrain a guy without putting him head first into the pavement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1abC7KtfiNM

This not work?

Yeah he talks a great fight doesn't he? The fact that you have linked that proves to me that you have never been in a situation like in the ops video.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 02:44PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Yeah he talks a great fight doesn't he? The fact that you have linked that proves to me that you have never been in a situation like in the ops video.

Not surprised by your reaction and yet again you avoid answering my questions properly.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 02:53PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Not surprised by your reaction and yet again you avoid answering my questions properly.

I am playing your game i have asked you a question several times that you have avoided answering so i will just ignore yours.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 03:00PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I am playing your game i have asked you a question several times that you have avoided answering so i will just ignore yours.

I've answered all your hypothetical questions, just you dont like the answer.

Liamalone · 15-10-2013 03:01PM

Wow, too much to read back, any word on the victim? That was a sickening sound when he got pounded into the ground. Thon bouncer needs jailed for that, total overuse of force.

The Golden Miller · 15-10-2013 03:01PM

the bouncer is clearly in the wrong. as annoying as the drunk is, trying to act the hardman in front of his mates, he stopped before he got to the bouncer. the bouncer hit him first and is gonna be in serious trouble over it, and rightly so. as someone said theres other ways to restrain someone drunk and whos smaller than you, and he knew that. im sure the bouncer gets **** all the time and is sick of it, but he knew what to expect signing up to the job so its not an excuse. bouncers are really beginning to go down in my estimations lately. some, not all, get a power trip doing what they do, knowing they are bigger than most people, and can push them around and use any excuse to do so and just say "oh he was drunk and threatening", and the other bouncers dont give a ****. alot of them are sleazy ***** aswell, praying on drunk girls themselves. smug i think is the word to describe bouncers

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 03:03PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

the bouncer is clearly in the wrong. as annoying as the drunk is, trying to act the hardman in front of his mates, he stopped before he got to the bouncer. the bouncer hit him first and is gonna be in serious trouble over it, and rightly so. as someone said theres other ways to restrain someone drunk and whos smaller than you, and he knew that. im sure the bouncer gets **** all the time and is sick of it, but he knew what to expect signing up to the job so its not an excuse. bouncers are really beginning to go down in my estimations lately. some, not all, get a power trip doing what they do, knowing they are bigger than most people, and can push them around and use any excuse to do so and just say "oh he was drunk and threatening", and the other bouncers dont give a ****. alot of them a sleazy ***** aswell, praying on drunk girls themselves. smug i think is the word for bouncers

Well done for getting every single stereotype in that one paragraph of sh1te:rolleyes:

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 03:03PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I've answered all your hypothetical questions, just you dont like the answer.

No you didn't answer you avoided.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 03:16PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No you didn't answer you avoided.

Another baby throws the toys out of the pram.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 03:20PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Another baby throws the toys out of the pram.

Not throwing anything out of anywhere i am just refusing to dance to your tune. You want me to answer your question that's fine...as soon as you answer mine in detail.

What is Your experience working as a doorman and how many years did/have you done it?

Where have you worked?

How would you have dealt with that situation (in detail)

What is your solution to an aggressive person approaching you with malicious intent?

When was the last time you were attacked and how did you deal with it\?

Answer those questions in detail and then i will HAPPILY answer yours.

Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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