Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

.Henry Sellers. · 14-10-2013 10:33PM

20Cent wrote: »

Lifting another man in the air and smashing his head into concrete. Steroids cause rage and aggression. All those meathead guys use them.

Steroids wouldn't case such rage and violence, you just witnessed someone who takes Creatine.

SV · 14-10-2013 10:34PM

.Henry Sellers. wrote: »

Steroids wouldn't case such rage and violence, you just witnessed someone who takes Creatine.

Brilliant

20Cent · 14-10-2013 10:39PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

That's a good bit unfair towards people who train hard.

Plenty of people are can be fairly big without steroids.

Of course. Most people don't smash others headfirst into the pavement though. Real professional bouncers can't stand fella's like that puts them all in danger. Don't need a psycho on the door with them.

Dempsey · 14-10-2013 11:09PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Explaining how you THINK something should be handled and actually being able to handle something that way are 2 different things. I am not a bouncer anymore but forgive me if my 20 years experience of dealing with these situations gets in the way of your little bleeding heart liberal rant.

Criticising a bouncer for going out onto the street and knocking a drunk unconscious in the manner he did is having a bleeding heart liberal rant? :rolleyes:

I'm glad to hear that you arent a bouncer anymore.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-10-2013 11:34PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Criticising a bouncer for going out onto the street and knocking a drunk unconscious in the manner he did is having a bleeding heart liberal rant? :rolleyes:

I'm glad to hear that you arent a bouncer anymore.

I'm still a bouncer, does that concern you?.. Tbh I couldn't give a tuppenny's f*ck if it does.

See when people like you go out for a night (if you have a life) its people like Bumper, me and that bouncer who keep the scum out of your bars & clubs, when you think you're in a nice bar/club think that it might be because the doorstaff are busy getting their hands dirty for you.

Like I said earlier, I refused three AH regulars from where I work because the bar was closed.. I was issued with the usual threats, but I closed the doors and forgot about them until we vacated the bar later and the staffs motorbikes (there were four) were knocked over and damaged ~ one so bad that it was wrote off.. But we checked the CCTV and low and behold 'tis our regulars ~ wisely they haven't been back because they know I know who it was.. F*cking dopes.

Someone PM's me and asked why I was wasting my time with this thread, I'm not really as I'm on a course of antibiotics and can't train this week.

I've asked you, and Bumper has asked you ~ how would YOU have dealt with the same violent punter?... (hit him with your keyboard?).

Dempsey · 14-10-2013 11:44PM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I'm still a bouncer, does that concern you?.. Tbh I couldn't give a tuppenny's f*ck if it does.

See when people like you go out for a night (if you have a life) its people like Bumper, me and that bouncer who keep the scum out of your bars & clubs, when you think you're in a nice bar/club think that it might be because the doorstaff are busy getting their hands dirty for you.

Like I said earlier, I refused three AH regulars from where I work because the bar was closed.. I was issued with the usual threats, but I closed the doors and forgot about them until we vacated the bar later and the staffs motorbikes (there were four) were knocked over and damaged ~ one so bad that it was wrote off.. But we checked the CCTV and low and behold 'tis our regulars ~ wisely they haven't been back because they know I know who it was.. F*cking dopes.

Someone PM's me and asked why I was wasting my time with this thread, I'm not really as I'm on a course of antibiotics and can't train this week.

I've asked you, and Bumper has asked you ~ how would YOU have dealt with the same violent punter?... (hit him with your keyboard?).

Should you being a bouncer concern me?

LOL, what an ego trip! I'm well aware of what a bouncers job entails, thanks :rolleyes:

I would probably have worked with the other bouncer to restrain him and call the police. I think thats a fairly obvious way to handle the situation. I certainly wouldnt have done what he did. How would you have dealt with the situation?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-10-2013 11:50PM

Dempsey wrote: »

LOL, what an ego trip! I'm well aware of what a bouncers job entails, thanks :rolleyes:

I would probably have worked with the other bouncer to restrain him and call the police. I think thats a fairly obvious way to handle the situation. I certainly wouldnt have done what he did. How would you have dealt with the situation?

1. No you don't.

We've all said the second bouncer failed his mate, thats a given.. So how would you have dealt one on one with a violent punter?.. Me, I'd most likely have dumped him too.. So come on, you just said you know what a bouncers job entails so with your experience of working the doors and dealing with violent punters what would you have done?..

(btw I'm not really taking you serious at all but come on and I'll entertain you all the same).

wp_rathead · 15-10-2013 12:01AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

1. No you don't.

We've all said the second bouncer failed his mate, thats a given.. So how would you have dealt one on one with a violent punter?.. Me, I'd most likely have dumped him too.. So come on, you just said you know what a bouncers job entails so with your experience of working the doors and dealing with violent punters what would you have done?..

(btw I'm not really taking you serious at all but come on and I'll entertain you all the same).

Really Maki? I like to think you wouldn't

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 12:02AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

1. No you don't.

We've all said the second bouncer failed his mate, thats a given.. So how would you have dealt one on one with a violent punter?.. Me, I'd most likely have dumped him too.. So come on, you just said you know what a bouncers job entails so with your experience of working the doors and dealing with violent punters what would you have done?..

(btw I'm not really taking you serious at all but come on and I'll entertain you all the same).

:rolleyes:

The video and this hypothetical scenario have little in common, its a lame strawman argument. How a bouncer would handle a 1v1 situation with a dangerous drunk doesnt give any justification for what that bouncer did in the circumstances he faced. Somehow, the two of you think it does! Explain that one?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-10-2013 12:07AM

wprathead wrote: »

Really Maki? I like to think you wouldn't

Whats the alternative, kick the sh*t out of him or lay down and let him kick the crap out of me?.. Seriously one on one what would you have done..

Dempsey I'm not responding to you any longer so don't waste your time.

Dempsey · 15-10-2013 12:10AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

Whats the alternative, kick the sh*t out of him or lay down and let him kick the crap out of me?.. Seriously one on one what would you have done..

Dempsey I'm not responding to you any longer so don't waste your time.

Why not? Its a simple question.

wp_rathead · 15-10-2013 12:16AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

Whats the alternative, kick the sh*t out of him or lay down and let him kick the crap out of me?.. Seriously one on one what would you have done..

Dempsey I'm not responding to you any longer so don't waste your time.

Because that is the only two options available..

I don't know, you are the bouncer, what does your training say you do in this situation? (Bare in mind, it is not "one on one" as there is a second bouncer available)

MonaPizza · 15-10-2013 12:17AM

FTA69 wrote: »

I'm sorry but you haven't a clue what you are on about. "Martial arts" aren't flowery systems rooted in philosophy, they're methods of fighting, end of story. Boxing is a martial art and its purpose is to punch people, hurt them and not get hit yourself. That Karate Kid nonsense you're on about doesn't exist in the real world. Fighting isn't this aesthetic art form whereupon you have time to debate momentum and leverage, it's far more nasty and violent than that unfortunately.

The fact is we don't know enough of what's going on here. Your man may have multiple times approached the door giving people sh*t, attempting to slap or hit the doormen in which case the bouncer would have been reasonably justified in what he did.

However, it could also be the case that the doorman is an arsehole who lost the rag when he should have been professional and kept his cool.

End of story?

Then why continue the lecture?
I was referring originally to Maikokomi's delight at seeing the physical thwarting and possible maiming of this guy. Nobody mentioned "Karate Kid" or other televised fantasies regarding the Martial Arts. But you did.

My recommendation, my friend, is to read and perhaps think.

If you would like to broadcast the fact that you are a Martial Artist, yet gleefully rejoice in the near killing of someone out of revenge or bloodlust, then refer to yourself as a thug, not an artist.

I'm sure my meagre training in Wado-Ryu to the level of 4th Kyu may not save me from Maikokomis ear-biting and eye-gouging savagery but that doesn't qualify him to be an artist. And sneering at the destruction of an opponent qualifies him only as a hooligan.

And you "know" so much about the real world yet you spend half your diatribe guessing or wondering or speculating what might have happened. Shoddy speak for someone whose knowledge and experience is rooted in the "real world".

Tombi! · 15-10-2013 12:19AM

wprathead wrote: »

Because that is the only two options available..

I don't know, you are the bouncer, what does your training say you do in this situation? (Bare in mind, it is not "one on one" as there is a second bouncer available)

Except he doesn't. It's still one on one.
The second bouncer didn't do jack s**t and we all know it.

In that case it is one on one.

Look, dropping your man on his head is gone too far but that's from an outsider's perspective.

Maki isn't gonna have the training (and I doubt anyone would) be able to magically calm someone down that's trying to pick a fight with you multiple times. (this is assuming what was post is true that the fella did try having a go with the bouncer a few times).

wp_rathead · 15-10-2013 12:29AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Except he doesn't. It's still one on one.
The second bouncer didn't do jack s**t and we all know it.

In that case it is one on one.

Look, dropping your man on his head is gone too far but that's from an outsider's perspective.

Maki isn't gonna have the training (and I doubt anyone would) be able to magically calm someone down that's trying to pick a fight with you multiple times. (this is assuming what was post is true that the fella did try having a go with the bouncer a few times).

but the second bouncer was available to help

I've done NCI training for work (obvo bouncers would have higher level of training, not disputing that) and one of the things thought is, if necessry, call for assistance as sometimes second staff member will not intervene even if obvious assistance is needed

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-10-2013 12:31AM

wprathead wrote: »

Because that is the only two options available..

I don't know, you are the bouncer, what does your training say you do in this situation? (Bare in mind, it is not "one on one" as there is a second bouncer available)

I'd take out my tazer/pepper and subdue him ~ except I don't have those to hand!.. My mate has failed me, there's a guy swinging wild punches at me ~ I can either step off and pop one in his snot, or I can clinch and drop him on his ass.. On the door running away id NEVER an option, never!.

What would you have done?.

Tombi! · 15-10-2013 12:31AM

wprathead wrote: »

but the second bouncer was available to help

I've done NCI training for work (obvo bouncers would have higher level of training, not disputing that) and one of the things thought is, if necessry, call for assistance as sometimes second staff member will not intervene even if obvious assistance is needed

Right but... how do we know he didn't attempt to ask?
It's not different from asking a friend for help in a fight. Sometimes they just won't do it.

Tombi! · 15-10-2013 12:32AM

Mak, why wouldn't you just go inside and lock the door?

I know that sounds a bit stupid but wouldn't that be an option?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-10-2013 12:36AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Mak, why wouldn't you just go inside and lock the door?

lol, I'm off to bed goodnight.

MonaPizza · 15-10-2013 12:38AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

1. No you don't.

We've all said the second bouncer failed his mate, thats a given.. So how would you have dealt one on one with a violent punter?.. Me, I'd most likely have dumped him too.. So come on, you just said you know what a bouncers job entails so with your experience of working the doors and dealing with violent punters what would you have done?..

(btw I'm not really taking you serious at all but come on and I'll entertain you all the same).

So you're a violent thug also? And proud of it?

What would you have done if he was still conscious after you "dumped him"? Perhaps a sokuto-fumikumi to the throat? Maybe after that if there was a gasp rattling out of his windpipe you might do the "American History X" Kerb dance on him and if that didn't finish him then maybe the old "head on a stick" blade to the spine?

Self defence, and all that "grasshopper".

Tombi! · 15-10-2013 12:39AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

lol, I'm off to bed goodnight.

Well, you said you did it before up above so I don't get the attitude but suit yourself. You just showed yourself out to be what you're claiming others are, a keyboard warrior.

MonaPizza · 15-10-2013 12:52AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I'd take out my tazer/pepper and subdue him ~ except I don't have those to hand!.. My mate has failed me, there's a guy swinging wild punches at me ~ I can either step off and pop one in his snot, or I can clinch and drop him on his ass.. On the door running away id NEVER an option, never!.

What would you have done?.

What my employers trained me to do, i.e. use minimum force (not maximum which is what you seem to orgasm on) to keep the people in the club/pub who I am charged to protect, keep safe, and to keep undesirable clientele from attempting to gain access) Beyond the bounds of this simple task my workspace is confined to the premises wherein I am employed. Venture beyond the confines of said place of emploi negates my duties as security personnel. Engagement in affray, assault forthwith is prosecutable bereft of professional sanction and certainly beyond legal protection.

Does that COMPUTE?

darced · 15-10-2013 01:06AM

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Tombi! · 15-10-2013 01:10AM

darced wrote: »

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Because he could still be a danger to people around him.

It's more than just a job for some people.

BillyMitchel · 15-10-2013 01:11AM

bumper234 wrote: »

The worse part of this is that people will automatically avoid seeing this

he was attacked repeatedly by the man

And concentrate solely on

Lewis Barrow, a trained martial arts fighter.

Will you give over, you're also forgetting the part were it says his friends. They're hardly going to say he's a scumbag now are they?

Czarcasm · 15-10-2013 01:15AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

What would you have done?.

In that particular situation, tbh I'd have tried to talk to the guy first instead of taking a run at him to kick him in the leg like a cissy. If the guy wasn't open to verbal negotiation, then I'd have waited for him to throw the first punch so I could then restrain him.

These are some contributions from another thread that I'll leave here and you can make of them what you will -

Czarcasm wrote: »

If he has the ability to hit her, he also has the ability to restrain her.

I've worked as a bouncer in various clubs and I've never experienced an instance where a girl would launch an unprovoked attack on a guy, but there have been plenty of times I'd see a girl slap a guy and by the time I'd got over there to break it up, the guy would've laid her out with a punch.

I've also had to escort girls out of the club and while restraining them, you could have two or three of her friends pulling out of you and punching you and a couple of times I'd have had to fend off a stiletto to the face.

I've worked with bouncers who used conceal razor blades under their jacket lapels just in case a guy grabbed them for a headbutt. I've told them that as well as being illegal, the blades are just a scummy idea.

You're right Dave, nobody should have to put up with that sort of assault, but men very, very rarely ever report or complain that they've been assaulted, and tbh those that did, were just looking to have the girl thrown out as opposed to actually having felt violated. Women were much more put out by the actual groping, whereas men were more put out that they were groped by a girl they didn't find attractive and were just being spiteful about it wanting her thrown out.

I found that the reason men who were groped weren't taken seriously was because they themselves were very petty about it.

Czarcasm wrote: »

This is one I can't answer as there are far too many silly hypotheticals to even consider. Suffice to say I've always advocated restraining the person rather than beating them. Only once have I ever broken that rule, when after months of intimidation, this particular chap I worked with he made threats against my wife. He got €16k in compensation and no permanent injuries.

My old man was twice my size at 26 stone and 6ft 8in could inflict serious physical damage when he wanted to, and only once did I fight back against him too, and once he was down, I didn't see any need to finish him off, much as part of me wanted to.

I was up in Dublin a couple of months back and standing at George's Quay waiting for the bus when a young lad tried to whip my phone out of my hand. I was having none of it and managed to restrain him when two more young lads came out of nowhere and proceeded to kick seven shades out of me. I was at a disadvantage being on crutches, they got away with the phone, but they didn't manage to get their hands on my laptop in my backpack.

So as you can see, for me personally, it isn't just about who's weaker or who's stronger - it's about using appropriate force to neutralise the immediate threat.

I still meet the guy I used work with around town, and he's still an arrogant little prick, but because I don't consider him an immediate threat any more, I don't entertain his nonsense.

Czarcasm wrote: »

It much easier to hit someone than it is to restrain them, certainly, no disagreement there, but that's when you have to fight your own natural instincts to pop 'n' drop, because if you start hitting a guy twice your size, it could end very badly for you, a lot worse than trying to restrain them. We're talking about guys being hit by girls here aren't we? Girls are generally more petite than guys, and certainly wouldn't have a guys strength.

I'm actually not that big at all Dave, I'm a bit of a shortarse at 5ft10, bouncers will come in all shapes and sizes, and the only reason bigger guys are more common is because naturally they're more physically intimidating. The best advantage you'll ever have in a fight Dave is to keep your wits about you, but drunk people are already at a disadvantage when you're sober.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ah yeah but we're talking just generally here Dave as every specific set of circumstances is going to have it's own set of nuances. It's difficult to restrain a person, but it's not impossible.

That was kinda what happened to me the time those young lads got my phone, I didn't have my wits about me (it was six o clock in the morning and I was tired, bastard early bird thieves :pac:), so not only did I not see the first guy coming, but I missed the second and third guy too. Individually they wouldn't punch their way through paper, but it was like one bee sting doesn't hurt, a couple of them however and you're screwed :pac:

Smidge · 15-10-2013 01:22AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Because he could still be a danger to people around him.

It's more than just a job for some people.

And that's when its no longer the bouncers job.
Its a job for the police.

jank · 15-10-2013 01:23AM

I see the keyboard warriors are out in force night, must be a full moon (or maybe there is no LAN party!)

Tombi! · 15-10-2013 01:25AM

Smidge wrote: »

And that's when its no longer the bouncers job.
Its a job for the police.

Evidently the bouncer could care more about people than just his job.
I've seen a bouncer or two break up a street fight and I was glad they did.

gctest50 · 15-10-2013 01:35AM

Good reason for ending it

If you're going down the restraining route i think you need someone standing nearby keeping an eye out :

Originally Posted by Czarcasm
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I was up in Dublin a couple of months back and standing at George's Quay waiting for the bus when a young lad tried to whip my phone out of my hand. I was having none of it and managed to restrain him when two more young lads came out of nowhere and proceeded to kick seven shades out of me..........

Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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