The Revenge of the Post Here When You Get Something New thread

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 10:09AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

TBH I'd rather play a top tier 3DS game than a lot of the stuff they give away on PS+ most of which I've played before or have no interest in playing. I suppose I am buying my games from the US so getting them a lot cheaper. I haven't felt ripped off buy a 3DS game yet since I think they offer as much if not more than the big console games.

Pound for pound, considering one 3DS game is almost the price of PS+ for a year, I think PS+ gives far more value - http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/ps3-discussion/198601-list-eu-playstation-plus-igc-free-games.html That's not to say I wouldn't like some of the recent 3DS games, but they're overpriced imo

o1s1n · 14-10-2013 11:18AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I haven't felt ripped off buy a 3DS game yet

You obviously didn't pay full whack for Starfox 64 3DS

CiDeRmAn · 14-10-2013 11:27AM

o1s1n wrote: »

You obviously didn't pay full whack for Starfox 64 3DS

Well in the main I have to agree with Retr0, the 3DS has given me good value with every game bought, and the bulk of the games on PSN+ are things most people would have gotten already.
Plus, I like owning the physical media, rather than only really having a licence to play a game until such time that Sony withdraw the service.

Retr0gamer · 14-10-2013 11:35AM

I also feel a lot of 3DS games provide a unique experience you just can't get on home consoles which makes it worth it. Paying 40 euros for 60+ hours of Fire Emblem or 30+ of Mario 3D Land is hardly bad value for money in my book.

The Last Bandit · 14-10-2013 11:36AM

Got some MDF.. someones getting a new bartop

Oh and had a spin on Oculus Rift, can't wait till Super Mario Kart is supported !!

the groutch · 14-10-2013 11:44AM

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Got some MDF.. someones getting a new bartop

how did you know my birthday's coming up? :rolleyes:

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 11:49AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Paying 40 euros for 60+ hours of Fire Emblem or 30+ of Mario 3D Land is hardly bad value for money in my book.

Those games & some others, would be the exception rather then the rule.

Donkey Kong Country Returns, Lego City Undercover, Luigi's Mansion 2, Mario Kart 3DS etc...that's nearly four years of PS+, just to put it in perspective. Now like Cidey, I prefer physical collecting, rather than digital content, it gives me just as much satisfaction having shelves of games on display, as actually playing them half the time...but the 3DS just puts a lot of games out that are beyong what I'm willing to pay

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Got some MDF.. someones getting a new bartop

Hmm, I wonder who that could be?

ghostchant · 14-10-2013 11:55AM

Back from my annual pilgrimage to Tokyo a couple of days now, picked up a boxed Super Famicom and a pile of games, a few Famicom games, boxed Famitsu GB Pocket, a few vita/3DS games and a couple of the new PS Vitas (one for me, one for the gf). Will hopefully post pics later.

Star Lord · 14-10-2013 11:55AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Plus, I like owning the physical media, rather than only really having a licence to play a game until such time that Sony withdraw the service.

Or if your PS+ membership lapses at all for any reason (CC change etc) then you lose the licenses for all of them...

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 11:59AM

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Or if your PS+ membership lapses at all for any reason (CC change etc) then you lose the licenses for all of them...

That's certainly true, but really I was only using PS+ as a comparison. How many quality games could I buy on Steam for €45? Tons I bet, especially during the sales. How many retro games could I get for the price of a few 3DS games etc etc. I suppose it comes down to priorities really, but I only ever buy 3DS games then they are on offer, & even at that, there's very little on the system I've played so far that I felt warranted full price of €45 or so

The Last Bandit · 14-10-2013 12:01PM

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Or if your PS+ membership lapses at all for any reason (CC change etc) then you lose the licenses for all of them...

Until you renew your PS+ sub again or is a permanent thing ?

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 12:03PM

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Until you renew your PS+ sub again or is a permanent thing ?

Anything given to you free on PS+ is available to you as long as your subscription is current. If it expires, previous content isn't available to you, until you renew again. XBL at least give you the games permanently, but my god they're behind the times with the game selections they give you

Star Lord · 14-10-2013 12:08PM

Myrddin wrote: »

Anything given to you free on PS+ is available to you as long as your subscription is current. If it expires, previous content isn't available to you, until you renew again. XBL at least give you the games permanently, but my god they're behind the times with the game selections they give you

I'm not even sure if it's available if you renew again, my reading of it was that you lose the licenses if your membership ends, and that you can get only the present/forthcoming ones after renewal... I'd love to be wrong on that though. My PS3 is one of the original models (won it in a competition right after they announced the first slimmed down models, but they gave me the fat one!) and if I remember correctly, I think it's one of the 20GB models, so I've had to delete a number of the games with the hope of coming back to them at some stage.

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 12:11PM

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

I'm not even sure if it's available if you renew again, my reading of it was that you lose the licenses if your membership ends, and that you can get only the present/forthcoming ones after renewal... I'd love to be wrong on that though. My PS3 is one of the original models (won it in a competition right after they announced the first slimmed down models, but they gave me the fat one!) and if I remember correctly, I think it's one of the 20GB models, so I've had to delete a number of the games with the hope of coming back to them at some stage.

The wording in the TOS certainly covers Sony to not give you any of your old content back, but in reality, it's never actually happened. Anyone who had a sub expire, & who renewed later on, had the content they got before made available to them again. I think 40GB was the smallest PS3 model too

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 14-10-2013 12:12PM

CowboyDreams wrote: »

Waiting for it to arrive I should have it this week! Would you recommend playing the first one before I play this or does it matter much?

afaik there's only 1 tie to the first game and it's nothing major, I played 2 and went to play the first and didn't realize the connection til replaying the 2nd.
But - it is very hard to play the first one when you play 2 first because of the improvements, it's not impossible it can just be annoying like you can't carry 2 weapons in the first Siren.
Even Retro will tell you how hard secondary missions are in the first game, it's impossible without a walkthrough.

o1s1n · 14-10-2013 12:18PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I also feel a lot of 3DS games provide a unique experience you just can't get on home consoles which makes it worth it. Paying 40 euros for 60+ hours of Fire Emblem or 30+ of Mario 3D Land is hardly bad value for money in my book.

I completely agree with it offering a unique experience and really love the platform. I certainly felt like I got value with Fire Emblem and Mario 3D land.

Luigi's Mansion 2 and Starfox though? Great games, but I couldn't help but feel like a bit of a chump paying full whack.

It also comes down to affordability. If they were €30-€35 I think that would be perfect.

I'd have an issue paying €45 for any console game, not only just 3DS games. But yeah, opening up a can of worms there, so going to stfu

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Oh and had a spin on Oculus Rift, can't wait till Super Mario Kart is supported !!

I tell you one thing I can't wait for, a VR arcade! Imagine putting the Rift on and suddenly you're in a room full of arcade machines which you can walk around and play.

Jack burton · 14-10-2013 12:27PM

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Got some MDF.. someones getting a new bartop

Funny enough, I just got a laptop with a broken screen. Have a load of MDF in the shed and a spare jpac

CiDeRmAn · 14-10-2013 12:27PM

But, why are we so happy to regard €45 as too high a price to pay for a game?
Back in 95 we were paying 45 punts for a game on the PS, higher at times on the N64.
The modern current gen AAA title is selling for around €55 to €65, on the consoles of course.
So, handheld titles are about a third less, and you get differing value depending on what you buy, same as elsewhere.

The issue seems that along came the App store and the Play store and sold us on the idea of games for 69c.
And it's sunk in, that games on mobile platforms should cost little, or even nothing at all.
But I don't believe it myself.

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 12:32PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

But, why are we so happy to regard €45 as too high a price to pay for a game?
Back in 95 we were paying 45 punts for a game on the PS, higher at times on the N64.
The modern current gen AAA title is selling for around €55 to €65, on the consoles of course.
So, handheld titles are about a third less, and you get differing value depending on what you buy, same as elsewhere.

The issue seems that along came the App store and the Play store and sold us on the idea of games for 69c.
And it's sunk in, that games on mobile platforms should cost little, or even nothing at all.
But I don't believe it myself.

Not sure I'd agree, how much were we paying for Gameboy releases back in 1995? I doubt it was £45 or so, & if it was, I certainly wouldn't have been paying that for them...so for me, it's got little to do with modern trends or pricing. Then again, I don't pay full whack for any game, the exception being the absolute huge releases like GTA5...but otherwise? Nah, I buy in sales, or even used if there's good offers like 3 for 2 on etc.

It's not I;m picking on the 3DS either, it's a very decent platform & has a bright future ahead...but still, €45 is too dear for a handheld game imo. As Retr0 said, there are ones that are the exception, & are worth the investment given their size & scope, but on the whole, it's a price point that bit too far. As o1s1n said, in or around €30 would make a big difference to how I see it.

o1s1n · 14-10-2013 12:43PM

Part of the reason why games were so damned expensive back in the cart only days were production costs. It cost a lot more to put a cartridge together than it does now. Some chips were very expensive. Sure you only need to remember the price of VR Racing with the Sega VDP chip, or think about Neo Geo AES cart prices!

Retr0gamer · 14-10-2013 12:43PM

I have too many games to play so if a game is 6-8 hours long I don't mind at all. Johnny_Ultimate makes a very good point that you really shouldn't be judging games by their length. If you have fun with it that's all that matters. It's the equivalent of rating a film poorly due to short length and not it's value for money. I think we all have way more games than we can conceivably play in a lifetime so I'm surprised game length would come into the equation.

I'd much rather spend my 40 euros on a game I actually want to play no matter how short than spend my money on PS+. I had PS+ a few times for free and ended up spending exactly zero time playing any of the games offered. There's just something about it. I've either played the games already or else have no interest in them and even if there is something I want to play on it I'dmuch rather be playing the game of the moment that takes my interest than what PS+ is offering at the time.

Star Lord · 14-10-2013 12:44PM

Myrddin wrote: »

The wording in the TOS certainly covers Sony to not give you any of your old content back, but in reality, it's never actually happened. Anyone who had a sub expire, & who renewed later on, had the content they got before made available to them again. I think 40GB was the smallest PS3 model too

Good to hear. Mine must be the 40 then. There is/was a 20GB, but apparently, not in PAL regions.

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 12:48PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I have too many games to play so if a game is 6-8 hours long I don't mind at all. Johnny_Ultimate makes a very good point that you really shouldn't be judging games by their length. If you have fun with it that's all that matters. It's the equivalent of rating a film poorly due to short length and not it's value for money. I think we all have way more games than we can conceivably play in a lifetime so I'm surprised game length would come into the equation.

I'd much rather spend my 40 euros on a game I actually want to play no matter how short than spend my money on PS+. I had PS+ a few times for free and ended up spending exactly zero time playing any of the games offered. There's just something about it. I've either played the games already or else have no interest in them and even if there is something I want to play on it I'dmuch rather be playing the game of the moment that takes my interest than what PS+ is offering at the time.

I agree, lenght isn't a huge consideration. I'd rather quality over quantity, but to echo o1s1n's point above, €45 for Starfox 3DS was an absolute joke. It's an enjoyable game, but it's not worth that price, same goes for quite a few of them. I bought it for €15, & even at that, I felt the value was about right

o1s1n · 14-10-2013 12:51PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I have too many games to play so if a game is 6-8 hours long I don't mind at all.

Well that's your prerogative really, I won't argue

To me though, if I only get 6-8 hours out of something I spent the guts of €50, on I'm fairly miffed.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

johnny_Ultimate makes a very good point that you really shouldn't be judging games by their length. If you have fun with it that's all that matters. It's the equivalent of rating a film poorly due to short length and not it's value for money. I think we all have way more games than we can conceivably play in a lifetime so I'm surprised game length would come into the equation.

We're getting a tad confused here between game length and game longevity.

I may pay €100+ for an arcade PCB which I could credit feed and possibly finish in 20 minutes. So it's short game length. Yet I'll get hundreds of hours out of it due to replay ability - that's longevity.

It's only when I pay a lot for something that I get neither decent game length or longevity that I feel ripped off (Star Fox 3DS would be a prime example)

The film comparison doesn't really work because cinema ticket costs are far less prohibitive than game costs.

A better comparison would be this - would you pay €20 to see a really really great (but 2 minute long) short in the cinema?

Probably not, as you'd think to yourself 'this is a bit of a rip off/not exactly great value for money' no matter how good it is.

Atavan-Halen · 14-10-2013 12:58PM

For me I've no problem paying premium for 3ds games. Especially pokemon/Nintendo titles as you know what you're getting. Play pokemon X or Y and you'll definitely get your money's worth. I've put nearly 300 hours in black 2 and 250 hours in white and will more than likely put in the same amount in X so when you look at it that way it's fantastic value.

I tends find that the likes of the steam sales, humble bundles and PS+ you tend to get lots of games at once and end up only playing parts of them and not fully enjoying them, whereas if you pay full price for one game You're more than likely going to commit more time to it

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 01:01PM

Atavan-Halen wrote: »

I tends find that the likes of the steam sales, humble bundles and PS+ you tend to get lots of games at once and end up only playing parts of them and not fully enjoying them, whereas if you pay full price for one game You're more than likely going to commit more time to it

There's also my Retrogame wanted list, which, if I'm being honest, takes precedence over any current games. When I sere 3DS games priced at €45, I just see that as a few Snes carts that are badly missing from the collection etc

CiDeRmAn · 14-10-2013 01:38PM

Maybe there's something to be said for Nintendo to offer games at discount prices, such as they did with a number of VC titles already.
Or would a plan like this represent a devaluation in Nintendos intellectual property?

I suppose, as long as they can make money from reheating and remaking their creations they won't be interested in giving it away.

That said, much of the PSN+ free content is from third parties such as Ubisoft, I wonder how much it is costing Sony to run the free games programme, the subs cannot possibly cover it.

Retr0gamer · 14-10-2013 01:42PM

I'm not really on the same wavelength as you guys. I'd much rather a 8-10 hour game with really tight and technical gameplay than with a 40-100 hour game with gameplay that can barely sustain itself for over 10 hours *cough* skyrim *cough*. Where's JU when I need him? I'm not sure what I paid for Journey on PSN, I think it was close to 20 euros and I got 2 hours out of it. It also happened to be one of the best gaming experiences in years and I was more than happy to pay that much for such a superb and tightly focused gaming experience.

Myrddin · 14-10-2013 01:43PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm not really on the same wavelength as you guys. I'd much rather a 8-10 hour game with really tight and technical gameplay than with a 40-100 hour game with gameplay that can barely sustain itself for over 10 hour

Nobody is saying otherwise though

Quality over quantity every time, but €45 for some of said quality is a step too far for me

o1s1n · 14-10-2013 01:47PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm not really on the same wavelength as you guys. I'd much rather a 8-10 hour game with really tight and technical gameplay than with a 40-100 hour game with gameplay that can barely sustain itself for over 10 hours *cough* skyrim *cough*. Where's JU when I need him?

I spoke with Johnny Ultimate about this before and he used Journey as a good example. I've never played it unfortunately, but he was saying it's a prime example a short game done to perfection. (Which he'd be willing to spend money on)

However, that is the pinnacle. As is something like Panzer Dragoon Saga. Most short games aren't like that so it's not a good comparison when thinking of games on a whole.

Starfox 3DS, Luigi's Mansion 2 and are closer to 'regular' short games - and they're definitely not worth €45. Simple as that.

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