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severeoversteer · 23-09-2013 07:18PM

bought 12 overage bullocks end of july as price was coming down , got 4.12 a kilo the week before lastweek, left a few bob behind, all graded u 2 or 3 or 4,
only had them for 5 weeks

tim04750 · 30-09-2013 07:46PM

Quoted 3.90 & 4.00 for R & U bulls , anyone else get quotes ?

aneala · 30-09-2013 08:45PM

Well lads, can someone tell me what "on the grid" means when getting quoted. I know what the grid is, EUROP = confirmation, 12345 fat score etc. Just don't understand how you get a price off the grid? or what this means. All advice welcome as planning to try finish this years weanlings as bulls.

tim04750 · 30-09-2013 09:25PM

" on the grid" means base price plus bonus for better grades
check link below for grid pricing structure
http://www.teagasc.ie/newsletters/2010/cattle-201001.pdf
scroll down a page

FYM · 30-09-2013 10:09PM

Got 4.02 base last week plus the QA bonus in Eurofarm foods for under age bullocks

aneala · 30-09-2013 11:17PM

tim04750 wrote: »

" on the grid" means base price plus bonus for better grades
check link below for grid pricing structure
http://www.teagasc.ie/newsletters/2010/cattle-201001.pdf
scroll down a page

Cheers Tim,

Do you know if rates are still the same? I know the BQAS is now 12c and we are in that.

Also what's the story with bulls, do ye lads reckon you'd get bulls over 16months on the grid next spring? I know its a bit of crystal ball gazing but I'm just after educated guesses.

Farmer Pudsey · 30-09-2013 11:30PM

aneala wrote: »

Cheers Tim,

Do you know if rates are still the same? I know the BQAS is now 12c and we are in that.

Also what's the story with bulls, do ye lads reckon you'd get bulls over 16months on the grid next spring? I know its a bit of crystal ball gazing but I'm just after educated guesses.

No over 16 month bulls will not be bought on the grid for a number of reasons. Most do not go to the UK market. Most are killed at very heavy weights 400kgs+. the big question is at what price will they be bought compared to the grid and will the factory's take bulls in the 24-30 month bracket next May/June

tim04750 · 01-10-2013 09:08AM

Yes Grid is still the same.
Can't see the factories putting bulls over 16 months on the grid, and they're getting pickey with the carcass weights now, they want them 360 to 420 kgs and good R's and U grades at a minimum of 2= fat class ,and they need to be QA even though they don't pay the bonus.
The amount of bulls finished under 16 months is small I reckon, you would need top end cows to get them to any sort of decent weight.

freedominacup · 01-10-2013 09:30AM

tim04750 wrote: »

Yes Grid is still the same.
Can't see the factories putting bulls over 16 months on the grid, and they're getting pickey with the carcass weights now, they want them 360 to 420 kgs and good R's and U grades at a minimum of 2= fat class ,and they need to be QA even though they don't pay the bonus.
The amount of bulls finished under 16 months is small I reckon, you would need top end cows to get them to any sort of decent weight.

The uncle gets all of his away before this age but he uses big Simx cows and A.I. CH. He'd have them into big weights also. TMR fed, plenty of by-products, tic-tacs and pot ale syrup with crimped wheat. He would also have his first cut done before most dairy farmers so good quality forage as well. I think he has his bull weanlings squeezed this year though.

Muckit · 01-10-2013 11:32AM

freedominacup wrote: »

The uncle gets all of his away before this age but he uses big Simx cows and A.I. CH. He'd have them into big weights also. TMR fed, plenty of by-products, tic-tacs and pot ale syrup with crimped wheat. He would also have his first cut done before most dairy farmers so good quality forage as well. I think he has his bull weanlings squeezed this year though.

Yes simmental seem to be the cow breed to have to finish bulls under the 16mths. MILK wins out at that game I reckon as it's a major part of the diet for 60% of it's life. 'Tus maith leith na hoibre' and all that....

A great system really as you can command top dollar for your heifers at special replacement sales, returning almost as much money wise as the bulls with only a fraction of the feeding.

I've an uncle in law at it and he seems to have it down to a T. Simmentals are lovely docile animals also to boot

bob charles · 01-10-2013 12:04PM

Muckit wrote: »

Yes simmental seem to be the cow breed to have to finish bulls under the 16mths. MILK wins out at that game I reckon as it's a major part of the diet for 60% of it's life. 'Tus maith leith na hoibre' and all that....

A great system really as you can command top dollar for your heifers at special replacement sales, returning almost as much money wise as the bulls with only a fraction of the feeding.

I've an uncle in law at it and he seems to have it down to a T. Simmentals are lovely docile animals also to boot

going back 20 years ago when we were doing bull beef from a suckler herd it was all simi-mentals we were using. lovely animals

aneala · 01-10-2013 02:23PM

Cheers for info men.

Cows are all 3/4, 7/8 or PBNR sims. So plan is to go to 16 month bulls and replacement heifers bulled at 15 months. Not sure the bulls are good enough this year due to tough spring/limited fodder, reckon they are 320-350kg now. Going to push them on on a high P ration until Jan and make a call on them then. We got great silage off a reseed so hopefully that won't be a limiting factor (will get it tested too). Push on the heifers too and get them out early to grass for 6-8 weeks before bulling date. That's the plan for now anyway, if it comes off sure I'll be able to quit the day job:D:D

bob charles · 01-10-2013 06:30PM

aneala wrote: »

Cheers for info men.

Your looking for a clout:D

freedominacup · 01-10-2013 09:33PM

Muckit wrote: »

Yes simmental seem to be the cow breed to have to finish bulls under the 16mths. MILK wins out at that game I reckon as it's a major part of the diet for 60% of it's life. 'Tus maith leith na hoibre' and all that....

A great system really as you can command top dollar for your heifers at special replacement sales, returning almost as much money wise as the bulls with only a fraction of the feeding.

I've an uncle in law at it and he seems to have it down to a T. Simmentals are lovely docile animals also to boot

Where are these sales? He'd have his heifers factoried as soon as the bulls he doesn't even keep them for his own replacements.

restive · 07-10-2013 01:27PM

Anyone kill out any bullocks lately?

Muckit · 07-10-2013 02:50PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Where are these sales? He'd have his heifers factoried as soon as the bulls he doesn't even keep them for his own replacements.

Ballymote is the big one for Simmental s in connacht region. It's on soon. Check Simmental website. Here's report from last year's sale...... http://www.irishsimmental.com/site/results-of-ballymote-commercial-sale-held-on-saturday-october-6th-2012/

Edit:it was on Saturday just gone. ...

freedominacup · 07-10-2013 06:53PM

Muckit wrote: »

Ballymote is the big one for Simmental s in connacht region. It's on soon. Check Simmental website. Here's report from last year's sale...... http://www.irishsimmental.com/site/results-of-ballymote-commercial-sale-held-on-saturday-october-6th-2012/

Edit:it was on Saturday just gone. ...

Thanks anyway Muckit.

adne · 07-10-2013 08:28PM

Muckit wrote: »

Ballymote is the big one for Simmental s in connacht region. It's on soon. Check Simmental website. Here's report from last year's sale...... http://www.irishsimmental.com/site/results-of-ballymote-commercial-sale-held-on-saturday-october-6th-2012/

Edit:it was on Saturday just gone. ...

Anyone at it?

conseng · 09-10-2013 12:33AM

At the mart today and a relatives cull charolais cow, 800kg made €1,600. What does the buyer do for his few euro on an animal like this?

bob charles · 09-10-2013 12:58AM

conseng wrote: »

At the mart today and a relatives cull charolais cow, 800kg made €1,600. What does the buyer do for his few euro on an animal like this?

maybe he hangs it, chops it up and sells it on;)

Farmer Pudsey · 09-10-2013 07:56AM

conseng wrote: »

At the mart today and a relatives cull charolais cow, 800kg made €1,600. What does the buyer do for his few euro on an animal like this?

Hopefull he a buyer for Dawn or AIBP and they are short of cattle

freedominacup · 09-10-2013 09:32AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Hopefull he a buyer for Dawn or AIBP and they are short of cattle

I had a dawn agent in the yard yesterday. He said the factories are having difficulty getting cattle in this area. Weather good and for the first time in a couple of months there are grass surpluses. Price quoted still sh1te but I have hol bulls. They want to grade them but yet not pay on the grid

. He's to come back to me with a quote.

ellewood · 09-10-2013 10:30AM

freedominacup wrote: »

I had a dawn agent in the yard yesterday. He said the factories are having difficulty getting cattle in this area. Weather good and for the first time in a couple of months there are grass surpluses. Price quoted still sh1te but I have hol bulls. They want to grade them but yet not pay on the grid. He's to come back to me with a quote.

I phoned dawn man Friday evening, he said he'd call monday, I phoned him monday morning and he said he couldnt call till later that day - grand I says there in the pen give me a ring when youre calling oh if there in the pen can they be killed today he says - ill be there in 20 mins...

He called and even before he gave price he said they were finding it hard to get enough cattle..

20 mins later they were on lorry on their way

First time ever had this with them..

blue5000 · 09-10-2013 02:26PM

ellewood wrote: »

I phoned dawn man Friday evening, he said he'd call monday, I phoned him monday morning and he said he couldnt call till later that day - grand I says there in the pen give me a ring when youre calling oh if there in the pen can they be killed today he says - ill be there in 20 mins...

He called and even before he gave price he said they were finding it hard to get enough cattle..

20 mins later they were on lorry on their way

First time ever had this with them..

What is price like?
Got 3.90 a kg for U2 bulls this week.

Muckit · 09-10-2013 05:13PM

conseng wrote: »

At the mart today and a relatives cull charolais cow, 800kg made €1,600. What does the buyer do for his few euro on an animal like this?

I'd say that meat was destined for a French table. .... in which case that cow was great value.

freedominacup · 09-10-2013 08:07PM

ellewood wrote: »

I phoned dawn man Friday evening, he said he'd call monday, I phoned him monday morning and he said he couldnt call till later that day - grand I says there in the pen give me a ring when youre calling oh if there in the pen can they be killed today he says - ill be there in 20 mins...

He called and even before he gave price he said they were finding it hard to get enough cattle..

20 mins later they were on lorry on their way

First time ever had this with them..

I saw it with heifers in May/June a couple of years ago. Lorry was in the yard before the agent. Man in question got what he asked for.

bob charles · 09-10-2013 08:14PM

freedominacup wrote: »

I saw it with heifers in May/June a couple of years ago. Lorry was in the yard before the agent. Man in question got what he asked for.

numbers tightening up here but still plenty of cattle to be bought for slaughter. price aint for changing for a while. last time I saw a real shortage of beef cattle must be up on 5 - 10 years. Supply has little effect on beef price

dryan · 10-10-2013 11:11AM

quoted 4:00 base price for steers yesterday evening - up from 3:90 earlier in the week.

dharn · 10-10-2013 05:39PM

dryan wrote: »

quoted 4:00 base price for steers yesterday evening - up from 3:90 earlier in the week.

That info is not much use if we dont know who offered it

BalingMad · 10-10-2013 10:10PM

€4.00 base for steers in ABP Rathkeale today

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