Irish Times Promulgating Left-wing Extremism

SoulandForm · 05-10-2013 08:32PM

The OP is in for a shock when if they ever dump into actual left-extremism. Outside of maybe some people in the IRSP left-wing extremism doesnt exist in Ireland.

Friend Computer · 05-10-2013 08:44PM

valknut wrote: »

If we were harder on certain communities it would integrate them better an be better for every one in the long run.

Would it? Gosh, you should be in government with such sterling, well-thought out ideas like that. But I'm sure this is just the gist of your long, long proposal that goes into great depth on the matter.

Make way! We've got a man here who has the answer to all immigration issues! Get rid of those so-called "experts", we've a Joe Soap! A real man of the people! Someone who isn't afraid to tell it like it is!

Typical oul liberal attitude, defend anything other than your own culture call anyone you don't agree with racist.

I could go into depth about how this is another in a long line of melodramatic displays of martyrdom by our lovely right-wingers who fall over themselves to whinge about everything under the sun and twist themselves into knots lying about their opponent's positions but... Oh I just did! Well how about that!

kowloon · 05-10-2013 08:44PM

OP, just as a little exercise, define what you think Left and Right mean to you.

Marcus Halberstram · 05-10-2013 09:09PM

I heard it gives you hairy palms.

valknut · 05-10-2013 09:26PM

Friend Computer wrote: »

Would it? Gosh, you should be in government with such sterling, well-thought out ideas like that. But I'm sure this is just the gist of your long, long proposal that goes into great depth on the matter.

Make way! We've got a man here who has the answer to all immigration issues! Get rid of those so-called "experts", we've a Joe Soap! A real man of the people! Someone who isn't afraid to tell it like it is!

Never mentioned anything about immigration, you did. Was on about community's already on this little island.

A Joe Soap I may be but at least I know clamping down on community's that don't integrate and are draining financially is a benefit to everybody long term.

The mighty nodin thanked your post, that's a knighthood in board's liberalism!

Johro · 05-10-2013 09:34PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

They dont take too kindly to big words around these parts.

Yeah.. Getting real tired of your shit, Iain. :P

Johro · 05-10-2013 09:39PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

blah blah blah... clusterf*ck blah blah blah..a moderate, tolerant and principled Ireland.

What a great word. No doubt borrowed from the CIA guys' summing up near the end of 'Burn After Reading'. Nice.

Augmerson · 05-10-2013 09:47PM

Muise... wrote: »

well I'm off to the newsagents immediately as I'm only dying to hear about Roisín Ingle's latest adventures in Irishtimesmagazineland. Maybe she ate some more chocolate? Maybe her boyfriend didn't like her new top? #soexcited

HA! Post of the Day for me

crockholm · 05-10-2013 10:25PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Nope, but I see them as the lesser of two evils. The left at least tries to have good intentions at heart. I've heard nothing but hate from the extreme right.

I do think that centre left is best socially, though because it's more inclusive than the centre right.

"You and your immediate family have to go into a re-education camp because you don't understand that what we're doing is actually beneficial for you and yours.You can see our intentions and they're good at heart,right?"

Nodin · 05-10-2013 10:52PM

.....we still haven't been enlightened by the OP...perhaps the radical feminists got him?

Cavehill Red · 06-10-2013 11:35AM

Nodin wrote: »

.....we still haven't been enlightened by the OP...perhaps the radical feminists got him?

Busy with his Israeli embassy day job, I expect.

hatrickpatrick · 06-10-2013 01:47PM

Stopped reading at Anti Semitic. Criticism of Israel or Israeli lobby groups does not equal hatred of Jews in general.

iainbumerford · 06-10-2013 05:46PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Stopped reading at Anti Semitic. Criticism of Israel or Israeli lobby groups does not equal hatred of Jews in general.

Evidently you didn't read the anti-Semitic article either. Well done.

iainbumerford · 06-10-2013 05:53PM

SoulandForm wrote: »

The OP is in for a shock when if they ever dump into actual left-extremism. Outside of maybe some people in the IRSP left-wing extremism doesnt exist in Ireland.

Why should people who wear a cross around their neck find themselves in front of HR panels?

Why should people who talk about pro-life views find themselves in front of HR panels for "offending" a listener who herself had an abortion?

Why should people who articulate views on immigration caps, abolition of the dole (in favour of food stamps), anti-Palestine, smaller government, etc. be ridiculed? First they ridicule you, then they ignore you and then you win.

homemadecider · 06-10-2013 06:11PM

Hi Iain, can you share with us what you found anti-Semitic in that article please?

Corkfeen · 06-10-2013 06:21PM

homemadecider wrote: »

Hi Iain, can you share with us what you found anti-Semitic in that article please?

Majority of his claims are in dire need of substantiation tbh.

SoulandForm · 06-10-2013 06:28PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

Why should people who articulate views on immigration caps, abolition of the dole (in favour of food stamps), anti-Palestine, smaller government, etc. be ridiculed? First they ridicule you, then they ignore you and then you win.

Do you realize that left wing extremists want full employment where everyone is forced to work and no one could "Sponge"? Do you realize that Stalin supported the foundation of Israel and many if not most of the early zionists were pretty far left and militant secularists?

The Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist and the Independent Working Class Association two of the biggest (though less noisy and trendy than the Trots) far left groups in the UK are in favour of immigration caps.

Social Democrats and Neo-conservatives are NOT far left. Yes Soc-Dems and Neo-Cons hog political discussion in Ireland but that is because you have an incredibly stupid Paleo-Right (Dana for heavens sake!) and NO far left.

WoollyRedHat · 06-10-2013 06:33PM

Seaneh wrote: »

How in the name of christ is that article Anti-Semitic?

Criticism of the state of Israel is not anti-semitic and to suggest otherwise is idiocy.

I wouldn't call it idiocy as much as I'd call it manipulative propaganda.

Furthermore it's a downright insult to label it as such to those who have suffered anti-semitism.

SoulandForm · 06-10-2013 06:42PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

Why should people who wear a cross around their neck find themselves in front of HR panels?

Why should people who talk about pro-life views find themselves in front of HR panels for "offending" a listener who herself had an abortion?

Can you give examples of this happening either the 26 counties or the 6 counties?

Also going on about a sensitive issue like abortion is not the brightest thing in the world to do at work-not that I think people should get sacked or whatever over it but it would show a basic lack of cop on.

Also if you attack the living standards of the working class or the poor you are going to get more abortions-that is just a fact.

Seaneh · 06-10-2013 07:05PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

Evidently you didn't read the anti-Semitic article either. Well done.

Evidently you haven't read the article either, as there is nothing anti-semetic or even anti-Israeli in it.

Again, to imply that criticism of Israeli foreign policy (and that's that it is, The West Bank is foreign, occupied land) is amti-semetism, is moronic.

iainbumerford · 06-10-2013 07:16PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Evidently you haven't read the article either, as there is nothing anti-semetic or even anti-Israeli in it.

Again, to imply that criticism of Israeli foreign policy (and that's that it is, The West Bank is foreign, occupied land) is amti-semetism, is moronic.

There are different grades of anti-Semitism. Granted, Eamon McCann registers on the lesser end of the scale, but it's still full of blatant anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic rhetoric. Not surprising for a socialist activist and fan of the book "The Myths of Zionism".

SoulandForm · 06-10-2013 07:18PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

Why should people who articulate views on immigration caps, abolition of the dole (in favour of food stamps), anti-Palestine, smaller government, etc. be ridiculed? First they ridicule you, then they ignore you and then you win.

Man up- do you have any idea how effeminate you come across as there?

I get slagged all the time for having views that would be considered conservative Christian ones down here in the south but I dont whinge about it.

Also since when did anti-semitism become left-wing? I thought that it was the right who were anti-jewish (outside of the USA that is- and I suspect that you have been getting your politics of watching FOX a little to much).

Miss Lockhart · 06-10-2013 07:19PM

Out of interest Iain, why should anyone not be anti-Zionist?

Also, I'd be interested to hear what types of criticisms of the Israeli state's actions would not be categorised as anti-semitic by you?

SoulandForm · 06-10-2013 07:20PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

There are different grades of anti-Semitism. Granted, Eamon McCann registers on the lesser end of the scale, but it's still full of blatant anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic rhetoric. Not surprising for a socialist activist and fan of the book "The Myths of Zionism".

Eamon Mc Cann's political guru who he slavishly followed for most his life was Jewish himself! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Cliff

SoulandForm · 06-10-2013 07:23PM

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

Out of interest Iain, why should anyone not be anti-Zionist?

Also, I'd be interested to hear what types of criticisms of the Israeli state's actions would not be categorised as anti-semitic by you?

This crying "racism" anytime anyone criticizes the actions of a particular could be seen as the worst type of left-wing political correctness.

losthorizon · 06-10-2013 07:28PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

Well, 52% of black people are never born in the US of A.

Even if thats true (and a source please) what the hell does that have to do with abortion MR Bumerfor

Seaneh · 06-10-2013 07:30PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

There are different grades of anti-Semitism. Granted, Eamon McCann registers on the lesser end of the scale, but it's still full of blatant anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic rhetoric. Not surprising for a socialist activist and fan of the book "The Myths of Zionism".

Ah, so you're one of those people that propagates the fallacy that being Anti-Zionist means your are automatically Anti-Semetic.

We have a word for people like you in the real world, but if I used it here I'd get an infraction.

Zionism is a cancer and needs to be eradicated, it has no basis in Judaism.

Some of the most vocal anti-zionists in the world are ultra-observant Jewish rabbi's and jewish-american academics.

Miss Lockhart · 06-10-2013 07:31PM

SoulandForm wrote: »

This crying "racism" anytime anyone criticizes the actions of a particular could be seen as the worst type of left-wing political correctness.

I find this hard to reconcile with the fact I am most certainly at least a smidge(!) left of centre, utterly opposed to using the term "PC Brigade" as a lazy insult and very critical of many of Israel's policies and actions.

SoulandForm · 06-10-2013 07:34PM

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I find this hard to reconcile with the fact I am most certainly at least a smidge(!) left of centre, utterly opposed to using the term "PC Brigade" as a lazy insult and very critical of many of Israel's policies and actions.

I was trying to point out Ian's hypocrisy.

His use of the term "anti-semitism" to attack any criticism of Israel could be seen as a very "left wing" tactic.

valknut · 06-10-2013 07:42PM

iainbumerford wrote: »

There are different grades of anti-Semitism. Granted, Eamon McCann registers on the lesser end of the scale, but it's still full of blatant anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic rhetoric. Not surprising for a socialist activist and fan of the book "The Myths of Zionism".

Zionism is an oppressive racist regime that has ethnicity cleansed Palestinian people and continues with crazy settlers outside Israels borders who are determined to establish a greater Israel and deny the Palestinians any kind of independence. Its ideology is no different to Nazi Germany.

Have a google of Norman Finkelstein, proof there's many good Jews who see zionism for what it is.

Irish Times Promulgating Left-wing Extremism

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