Irish Times Promulgating Left-wing Extremism

iainbumerford

Pro Planned Parenthood article here (courtesy of the in-house radical feminist):

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/menstruating-is-normal-sex-is-normal-contraception-is-normal-abortion-is-normal-it-s-time-to-get-over-it-1.1549402

(comments section had to be shut down because it was such a clusterf*ck)

Anti Semitic article here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/it-is-the-everyday-harassment-that-shows-the-hatred-behind-official-israeli-ideology-1.1547793

Have they not learned from the very recent past?

http://www.aleteia.org/en/lifestyle/news/pro-life-protest-outside-irish-times-ireland-3977001

Is the Irish Times struggling for relevance in the information age by having to resort to publishing left-wing troll articles? The sooner this pimple on society pops; the better for this country -- a moderate, tolerant and principled Ireland.

Hande hoche!

promulgating present participle of prom·ul·gate (Verb)
Verb
Promote or make widely known (an idea or cause).
Put (a law or decree) into effect by official proclamation.

I learnt something new today.

AnonoBoy

I'm just going to wait and what people say about you using the word promulgating.

DrumSteve

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I'm just going to wait and what people say about you using the word promulgating.

They dont take too kindly to big words around these parts.

dxhound2005

DrumSteve wrote: »

They dont take too kindly to big words around these parts.

The word Publishing would probably be more appropriate than Promulgating. It is possible that other opinion pieces have been published in the Irish Times which would be more in accordance with the OP's views. If they have an issue with any article they can write to the editor. Or just stop reading the paper. But it is very intolerant to want it closed down.

wendell borton

And that's a bad thing?

valknut

How is that an anti Semite article as regards Israel. Opposing Zionism is not anti Semitism. Its like saying someone is anti German for disagreeing with the national socialist party of the 30s 40s in Germany.

I don't like a lot of lefties but disagreeing with zionism is not anti semitic.

KingOfFairview

OP registered only today and is already boring me to tears

iainbumerford

valknut wrote: »

How is that an anti Semite article as regards Israel. Opposing Zionism is not anti Semitism. Its like saying someone is anti German for disagreeing with the national socialist party of the 30s 40s in Germany.

I don't like a lot of lefties but disagreeing with zionism is not anti semitic.

It is a disgusting anti-semitic article.

To see why: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ie/2013/10/irish-times-columnist-shows-anti-jewish.html#.Uk_syWTXSRM

The editor is on lefty crack for all I can see.

The Irish Times and Israel have a bit of a history.

mike65

Two perfectly standard opinion pieces, which you can agree or disagree with. So what?

Did you register here just to sound off about todays IT?

_Redzer_

I hate this left-wing bad mouthing, it's becoming tiresome. As if the extreme right is a better solution, my hole it is.

lazygal

Don't John Waters and Breda O'Brien have weekly columns?

iainbumerford

mike65 wrote: »

Two perfectly starndard opinion pieces, which you can agree or disagree with. So what?

Did you register here just to sound off about todays IT?

If you actually clicked on the links, you'd find that they're not in today's IT.

Extreme left opinion pieces are fine, but don't expect anyone to continue reading (i.e. buying) if that's the editorial policy.

iainbumerford

lazygal wrote: »

Don't John Waters and Breda O'Brien have weekly columns?

They're moderately right wing; not extremists.

Links234

left-wing extremism, radical feminists, the sky is falling! too much hyperbole in one thread already... :eek:

mike65

iainbumerford wrote: »

Extreme left opinion pieces are fine, but don't expect anyone to continue reading (i.e. buying) if that's the editorial policy.

Right then! Don't read it. Read the Indo or the Herald for more right wing style views.

Hande hoche!

Links234 wrote: »

left-wing extremism, radical feminists, the sky is falling! too much hyperbole in one thread already... :eek:

Typical reactionary opinion piece. :pac:

iainbumerford

Links234 wrote: »

left-wing extremism, radical feminists, the sky is falling! too much hyperbole in one thread already... :eek:

If you want hyperbole, you should read that pro-Planned Parenthood article.

ezra_pound

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I'm just going to wait and what people say about you using the word promulgating.

Proselytising would be a better word.

Savoir.Faire

It's Ireland's paper of record and I take everything within its broad pages as Gospel.

losthorizon

iainbumerford wrote: »

It is a disgusting anti-semitic article.

To see why: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ie/2013/10/irish-times-columnist-shows-anti-jewish.html#.Uk_syWTXSRM

The editor is on lefty crack for all I can see.

The Irish Times and Israel have a bit of a history.

Thats an Israeli site and it says settlers in Haifa pouring scorn on the idea when Haifa houses a large influx of settlers from the former Soviet Union.

I suspect your beef though is with its Abortion article rather than its Israeli article. I always suspect people who register and immediately go on campaigns of one sort or another.

You wont really convert anyone.

iainbumerford

losthorizon wrote: »

Thats an Israeli site and it says settlers in Haifa pouring scorn on the idea when Haifa houses a large influx of settlers from the former Soviet Union.

I suspect your beef though is with its Abortion article rather than its Israeli article. I always suspect people who register and immediately go on campaigns of one sort or another.

You wont really convert anyone.

Yes that's right. The Oirish Times is highly regarded in Israel.

Corkfeen

iainbumerford wrote: »

They're moderately right wing; not extremists.

They're fairly extreme in their views tbh.Nothing extreme about the articles you linked to. Aren't opinion pieces allowed in your world?

Wibbs

For me anyway I find the Lefties and the Righties have one thing in common, they regularly confuse opinion with fact. Both are best ignored in favour of the moderate.

iainbumerford

Corkfeen wrote: »

They're fairly extreme in their views tbh.Nothing extreme about the articles you linked to. Aren't opinion pieces allowed in your world?

So promoting a left wing eugenicist movement is ok? That would mean John Waters and Breda O'Brien subscribe to fascism. Which they don't.

losthorizon

iainbumerford wrote: »

Yes that's right. The Oirish Times is highly regarded in Israel.

Who knows it might be - they reported extensively on the Wars in Lebanon which had a huge impact on Israeli life. Its come out in many ways not least in art. Maybe you should watch the film Waltz with Bashir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnN4zINtYyY

ezra_pound

Op needs to be able to discern truth from propaganda. Extremist Israeli Zionist site calls Irish times racialist. Shock horror!

strobe

Wibbs wrote: »

For me anyway I find the Lefties and the Righties have one thing in common, they regularly confuse opinion with fact. Both are best ignored in favour of the moderate.

Ah the Centristies are the worst of the lot.

Corkfeen

A 'left wing eugenicist movement', I keep searching but can't find such a movement in either article.

Wibbs

Corkfeen wrote: »

A 'left wing eugenicist movement', I keep searching but can't find such a movement in either article.

Neither can I CF and I'd be more to the right of center than left of it.

The Aussie

_Redzer_ wrote: »

I hate this left-wing bad mouthing, it's becoming tiresome. As if the extreme right is a better solution, my hole it is.

The Extreme Left is just as Extreme as the Right side of views.....

Muise...

well I'm off to the newsagents immediately as I'm only dying to hear about Roisín Ingle's latest adventures in Irishtimesmagazineland. Maybe she ate some more chocolate? Maybe her boyfriend didn't like her new top? #soexcited

_Redzer_

The Aussie wrote: »

The Extreme Left is just as Extreme as the Right side of views.....

Both are a pain in the hole but the difference is that the extreme right are the most hateful, spiteful bastards around.

The Aussie

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Both are a pain in the hole but the difference is that the extreme right are the most hateful, spiteful bastards around.

So you think the Left are all Rainbows and Cuddles do you....


From the Left it would appear that way I suppose.

returnNull

ezra_pound wrote: »

Proselytising would be a better word.

man,its why too early for big words

Promulgating Proselytising?Im going back to bed...

Femme_Fatale

Lol at anti-semitism being left-wing! :pac:

OP, I know it's fashionable for your ilk to like the Jews now, but I'ma... assume you hated them before 9/11, as all right-wing loons did.

Planned parenthood - oh noez! Yet, again, I'm going to assume you're the type who takes issues with people having a lot of children "for benefits".

You're hilarious!

Femme_Fatale

The Aussie wrote: »

So you think the Left are all Rainbows and Cuddles do you....


From the Left it would appear that way I suppose.

Why just say "left" when you mean extreme left? The extreme left is full of assholes, but the moderate left, yeh, is pretty great.

hansfrei

More to this politics stuff than right and left.
There's also right and wrong.

valknut

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Why just say "left" when you mean extreme left? The extreme left is full of assholes, but the moderate left, yeh, is pretty great.

The moderate right are ok as well, the extreme on both sides are clowns.

Not every right wing person wants to exterminate others and goose step around the place!

Sometimes telling it as it is is enough to get labelled right wing these days.

Legs.Eleven

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Why just say "left" when you mean extreme left? The extreme left is full of assholes, but the moderate left, yeh, is pretty great.

I'd consider myself a moderate lefty and don't relate one bit to the extreme left at all. Massive disparity between the two.




However, I'd rather meet them than extreme right-wingers down a dark alley on a night out though. I live in a very working class, very left-wing neighbourhood of Madrid where you'd meet a lot of supposed extremists (they'd call themselves Communists, in fact) and they're good people with good intentions unlike the extreme right-wingers in this city (of which there are plenty) who threaten and intimidate and cause trouble. You couldn't say the two groups are as dangerous as one another.

Obviously when we get into a discussion about leaders of totalitarian governments like North Korea, Nazi Germany, Spain under Franco etc. they're all as bad as each other.

Cavehill Red

Are you the crazy Israeli embassy guy who gets drunk at Christmas and gives out about Palestinians murdering Jesus?

iainbumerford wrote: »

Pro Planned Parenthood article here (courtesy of the in-house radical feminist):

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/menstruating-is-normal-sex-is-normal-contraception-is-normal-abortion-is-normal-it-s-time-to-get-over-it-1.1549402

(comments section had to be shut down because it was such a clusterf*ck)

Anti Semitic article here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/it-is-the-everyday-harassment-that-shows-the-hatred-behind-official-israeli-ideology-1.1547793

Have they not learned from the very recent past?

http://www.aleteia.org/en/lifestyle/news/pro-life-protest-outside-irish-times-ireland-3977001

Is the Irish Times struggling for relevance in the information age by having to resort to publishing left-wing troll articles? The sooner this pimple on society pops; the better for this country -- a moderate, tolerant and principled Ireland.

Foxhound38

iainbumerford wrote: »

Pro Planned Parenthood article here (courtesy of the in-house radical feminist):

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/menstruating-is-normal-sex-is-normal-contraception-is-normal-abortion-is-normal-it-s-time-to-get-over-it-1.1549402

(comments section had to be shut down because it was such a clusterf*ck)

Anti Semitic article here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/it-is-the-everyday-harassment-that-shows-the-hatred-behind-official-israeli-ideology-1.1547793

Have they not learned from the very recent past?

http://www.aleteia.org/en/lifestyle/news/pro-life-protest-outside-irish-times-ireland-3977001

Is the Irish Times struggling for relevance in the information age by having to resort to publishing left-wing troll articles? The sooner this pimple on society pops; the better for this country -- a moderate, tolerant and principled Ireland.

Are people of your views struggling for relevence given that pretty much the entire country is moving on from taking our orders from the pulpit?

And what's anti-semitic about reporting on Palestinians getting their homes bulldozed? It's a reality, I've seen it with my own eyes. Nothing about the Jewish faith in that article, nor about Israel's right to exist - just about their unacceptable conduct towards the palestinian people...

Femme_Fatale

valknut wrote: »

The moderate right are ok as well, the extreme on both sides are clowns.

Not every right wing person wants to exterminate others and goose step around the place!

Agreed. Plenty of moderate conservatives whom I have great time for, and some eejits just condemn them as soon as they see the word "conservative" associated with them.

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'd consider myself a moderate lefty and don't relate one bit to the extreme left at all. Massive disparity between the two.
However, I'd rather meet them than extreme right-wingers down a dark alley on a night out though. I live in a very working class, very left-wing neighbourhood of Madrid where you'd meet a lot of supposed extremists (they'd call themselves Communists, in fact) and they're good people with good intentions unlike the extreme right-wingers in this city (of which there are plenty) who threaten and intimidate and cause trouble. You couldn't say the two groups are as dangerous as one another.

Fully agreed. I can't abide e.g. Eirigí, but I'd still prefer them to the EDL!

Femme_Fatale

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Are people of your views struggling for relevence given that pretty much the entire country is moving on from taking our orders from the pulpit?

And I'm prrrrrrrritty sure the catholic church didn't have great things to say about the Jews back in the day.

losthorizon

Indeed as the Golden Dawn Party in Greece has shown along with sister parties in other European nations Right Wing Extremism seems to be the order of the day.

Golden Dawn has turned from a threat into a party capable of murder and intimidation and racism.

Foxhound38

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

And I'm prrrrrrrritty sure the catholic church didn't have great things to say about the Jews back in the day.

Was more referring to the "Planned Parenthood - oh noes" but, but you are of course correct :P

The_Minister

lazygal wrote: »

Don't John Waters and Breda O'Brien have weekly columns?

Both of them are just awful writers though, just absolutely awful, particularly Waters.

Waters is a sad little straw man who is too self-obsessed to realise that he isgiven space so that he can be torn down with ease and vindicate the opinions of the majority of the readership.

Waters exists to give an appearance of diversity of opinion in the paper.

Nodin

iainbumerford wrote: »

Pro Planned Parenthood article here (courtesy of the in-house radical feminist):

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/menstruating-is-normal-sex-is-normal-contraception-is-normal-abortion-is-normal-it-s-time-to-get-over-it-1.1549402
.

I wasn't aware a woman wanting to control when she got pregnant was automatically worthy of the comment "radical feminist".

iainbumerford wrote: »

Anti Semitic article here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/it-is-the-everyday-harassment-that-shows-the-hatred-behind-official-israeli-ideology-1.1547793
.

Whats "anti semitic" about it?

clairefontaine

These labels sometimes obfuscate for than they clarify. But overall yes the IT has been filled wig rag propaganda lately.

Anti Semitic is thrown about all over the place on bothe sides of the political wing.

Technically because I support the European Councils official stance on circumcision, I would be considered anti Semitic, even though I'm a judeophile (except for all the god and circumcisions).

Seaneh

iainbumerford wrote: »

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Anti Semitic article here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/it-is-the-everyday-harassment-that-shows-the-hatred-behind-official-israeli-ideology-1.1547793

Have they not learned from the very recent past?

How in the name of christ is that article Anti-Semitic?

Criticism of the state of Israel is not anti-semitic and to suggest otherwise is idiocy.

Friend Computer

valknut wrote: »

The moderate right are ok as well, the extreme on both sides are clowns.

Not every right wing person wants to exterminate others and goose step around the place!

Sometimes telling it as it is is enough to get labelled right wing these days.

This is usually a codephrase for "incoherent babbling about immigration/abortion/gay marriage/other"; it's up there with "I'm not a racist but [insert racist diatribe]".