gyms asked to issue needles in the UK.

hansfrei · 26-09-2013 01:10AM #1

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/uk-give-needles-for-steroid-use-at-gyms-britain-health-authorities-say/story-fneuzle5-1226727266601

Story is that 70,000 people inject in the UK last year. Steriods, skin pigmentation, all kinds. Isn't it time Ireland had a similar look at this topic. Seems lots of people could benefit, xontrol could be easier etc

Drained_Empty · 26-09-2013 01:11AM

Should be a sharps bin in half the gyms in Ireland

RidleyRider · 26-09-2013 01:48AM

I've never seen anyone inject in my gym but I have found testogel and the likes.

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Drained_Empty · 26-09-2013 01:49AM

They are re sheathing the needle and putting it in the bin, injecting in toilets.

hansfrei · 26-09-2013 02:46AM

Do most people inject at home? Would gyms lose reputation by admitting to allowing steroid use? Would it mean a step back to a time when there were 'good' gyms and 'bad' gyms. Renowned BBers gyms vs commercial chains?

26-09-2013 02:48AM

While I'm all about the harm reduction I don't think things have gotten to the stage where the positives of harm reduction would outweigh the negatives of a kind of normalisation.

Hatfry · 26-09-2013 05:47AM

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

Drained_Empty · 26-09-2013 10:14AM

I think that's an excellent way at looking at 90% of the steroid users out there - cabbaged.

Duck's hoop · 26-09-2013 11:50AM

Hatfry wrote: »

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

It's the society we live in. Instant gratification. And in fairness I don't think diet and training gets you the results that the assisted gym goer gets. Certainly not with more than twice the time.

And you still have to eat like a black hole and train like a shaolin anyway. But you can't wipe your arse after a bit I'd say.

john_cappa · 26-09-2013 11:52AM

RidleyRider wrote: »

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Can you clarify what you mean exactly ?

KTRIC · 26-09-2013 11:57AM

How prevalent is it in Irish gyms ? I've started getting into bodybuilding in the past year and noticed some seriously ripped guys. Just wondering if they have put in all the effort or just took the easy way out.

john_cappa · 26-09-2013 12:00PM

KTRIC wrote: »

How prevalent is it in Irish gyms ? I've started getting into bodybuilding in the past year and noticed some seriously ripped guys. Just wondering if they have put in all the effort or just took the easy way out.

If you use aas have you to put in no effort? Will update Jay and Phil so.

kevpants · 26-09-2013 12:29PM

What a great way to drive out the 99.9% of gym users who don't use steriods and whose membership keep the lights on.

cletus van damme · 26-09-2013 12:55PM

RidleyRider wrote: »

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Drained_Empty wrote: »

I think that's an excellent way at looking at 90% of the steroid users out there - cabbaged.

jaysus . haters.

unless they are cheating you in drug free competition then what's the harm and more importantly what is it to you?
I'm intruged to know.

do you amuse yourselves going around all day judging people?

Darkest Horse · 26-09-2013 01:29PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

jaysus . haters.

unless they are cheating you in drug free competition then what's the harm and more importantly what is it to you?
I'm intruged to know.

do you amuse yourselves going around all day judging people?

More specifically, do they really think steroids shrink the penis?!

john_cappa · 26-09-2013 01:30PM

hansfrei wrote: »

Isn't it time Ireland had a similar look at this topic. Seems lots of people could benefit, xontrol could be easier etc

Absolutely. The alternative is to ignore the fact that steroids are used and seems fairly pointless.

Drained_Empty wrote: »

Should be a sharps bin in half the gyms in Ireland

Agree but dont see the need for anyone to actually inject on the premises but having somewhere to dispose of needles would certainly be of use to people.

RidleyRider wrote: »

I've never seen anyone inject in my gym but I have found testogel and the likes.

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Are you really in a position to judge anyone? Really? I mean I could judge you on your previous posts over the last year (and they are lol worthy). Well done on the 80 kg bench (bravo ....starts slow clap).

See my above comments there are judgmental and intentional to highlight your own ignorance. which you have highlighted anyway with your lack of knowledge by referencing the massive hyperbole that is "penis size and AAS use". A false one at that.

Are you threatened by AAS users? Do you feel the nned to look down on them as you have above? Reality is anyone who trains at the gym (regardless of AAS use) and uses a protein shake/creatine or actually eats plenty of meat and veg in the quest for strength and muscle gain is looked upon with suspicion by the average joe. Yet you, someone who goes to the gym reenforces that attitude with the above comment?

It makes no sense.

Hatfry wrote: »

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

Just to clarify if you use AAS you still need application via diet and training. It is not a cheat. You dont bypass and the efforts. Some people what to be the best they can be. Why not just respect the choices they make instead of trying to make your self feel better and look down on them.

kevpants wrote: »

What a great way to drive out the 99.9% of gym users who don't use steriods and whose membership keep the lights on.

I dont think so. They dont have to have massive signs everywhere and a special room for injection. They can be available behind the counter.

Orlaw3136 · 26-09-2013 01:34PM

Providing needles gives tacit approval to the behaviour and normalises it. You'd only do this as an acute measure where there was dire need in order to prevent some other greater harm, and you'd accompany it with measures to try and help people who use steroids in this way give them up.

Otherwise, is providing needles to steroid users consistent with a atmosphere which is conducive to assisting people to achieve a healthy mind and body ?

If not, gyms should not do this, out of respect for the non-steroid using membership and their aims.

Might be a different story for me if a gym could operate on a basis that steroid use was approved/endorsed/permitted/tolerated whatever, and make that clear to its members. If people want to make their decision to train in this way let them at it, but I don't want to be a member in a gym where people are being provided with the tools to go shoot up there in front of me.

kevpants · 26-09-2013 01:36PM

john_cappa wrote: »

special room for injection. They can be available behind the counter.

The time it would take for this to appear on Liveline after it was put in place could only be measured Planck time.

Da Za · 26-09-2013 01:41PM

Cabbaged?!!! LOL

Gyms don't need any of this.

If people use, surely they could just inject at home in privacy.

Orlaw3136 · 26-09-2013 01:41PM

john_cappa wrote: »

Some people what to be the best they can be.

John I have a genuine question, i.e. I am genuinely interested in the answer.

Here in the quoted bit you refer to people wanting to 'be the best they can be'. Does this mean for you that 'the best I can be' is essentially 'the best I can be using steroids', on the basis that using steroids will clearly enhance my non-steroid using potential so that if I don't use steroids I have not achieved 'the best I can be' ?

john_cappa · 26-09-2013 01:53PM

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

John I have a genuine question, i.e. I am genuinely interested in the answer.

Here in the quoted bit you refer to people wanting to 'be the best they can be'. Does this mean for you that 'the best I can be' is essentially 'the best I can be using steroids', on the basis that using steroids will clearly enhance my non-steroid using potential so that if I don't use steroids I have not achieved 'the best I can be' ?

Jesus the above is confusing it is a bit "do you know, that i know that you know that I know" lol

All I mean is you will not be able to build the same amount of muscle mass/strength without AAS as you can achieve with AAS. This is important to some people who will make certain choices (i.e. AAS use) taking them to their genetic potential faster and far beyond it.

Should they be judged so negatively for this? Why have you lumped them into the same category as heroin users (you used the phrase "shoot up" which automatically does categories them in your eyes as a junkie).

Just to clarify i have never used but that is not because I think there is anything wrong with AAS use rather other personal reasons.

Orlaw3136 · 26-09-2013 02:02PM

john_cappa wrote: »

All I mean is you will not be able to build the same amount of muscle mass/strength without AAS as you can achieve with AAS. This is important to some people who will make certain choices (i.e. AAS use) taking them to their genetic potential faster and far beyond it.

Cheers for the response - on the basis of the above we're on the same page.

hansfrei · 26-09-2013 02:10PM

Da Za wrote: »

Cabbaged?!!! LOL

Gyms don't need any of this.

If people use, surely they could just inject at home in privacy.

Theres the two issues there. Do people inject at home? I don't think so. Some shows take place far from home. Some contests are over a weekend. People might share knowledge of the product in a place like a gym, cycling for the first time etc. Some people are lazy, or go to a gym after work.

Is the idea to make gyms a 'safe place' to inject?

I wonder how many people are using as a proportion of gym goers.

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2013 02:15PM

hansfrei wrote: »

Theres the two issues there. Do people inject at home? I don't think so. Some shows take place far from home. Some contests are over a weekend. People might share knowledge of the product in a place like a gym, cycling for the first time etc. Some people are lazy, or go to a gym after work.

Is the idea to make gyms a 'safe place' to inject?

I wonder how many people are using as a proportion of gym goers.

More than 0.01% of regular gym goers I'd imagine.

From what I hear, some changing rooms have more open discussions about it than others but make no mistake, every gym has regulars in the weights section juiced up to their gills.

cletus van damme · 26-09-2013 02:20PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

weights section juiced up to their gills.

can you explain the various levels of being juiced up? :pac:

Zombienosh · 26-09-2013 02:24PM

So gym are thinking about issuing needles but I get hassle if I even take my shoes off.....yeah. seems legit.

Mr. Manager · 26-09-2013 02:27PM

Didn't even realise this was an issue. Can honestly say I've never even heard it being mentioned. That being said, I live on a tiny rock and my gym has about 100 members - 30 of which are regulars and about 6 of them use the weights area. Including me.

Orlaw3136 · 26-09-2013 02:37PM

Zombienosh wrote: »

So gym are thinking about issuing needles but I get hassle if I even take my shoes off.....yeah. seems legit.

'Hypodermic syringe sir ? no problem...and a towel ???? are you MAD ??? You want us to provide TOWELS ?????'

Drained_Empty · 26-09-2013 02:57PM

hi guys, is there any regime that requires injections to take place very soon before/after lifting ? like are any of these medications designed for short term use?

john_cappa · 26-09-2013 03:06PM

Drained_Empty wrote: »

hi guys, is there any regime that requires injections to take place very soon before/after lifting ? like are any of these medications designed for short term use?

No there are not yet people are inferring that there are for some reason.

hansfrei · 26-09-2013 03:22PM

Joe Duffy was talking about energy drinks ten year ago. Now some ten year olds take more energy drinks than a junior doctor on over time.

Also, I think 70,000 is a small numer considering the size of the UK. Could be twice that or more.

gyms asked to issue needles in the UK.

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