gyms asked to issue needles in the UK.

hansfrei

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/uk-give-needles-for-steroid-use-at-gyms-britain-health-authorities-say/story-fneuzle5-1226727266601

Story is that 70,000 people inject in the UK last year. Steriods, skin pigmentation, all kinds. Isn't it time Ireland had a similar look at this topic. Seems lots of people could benefit, xontrol could be easier etc

Drained_Empty

Should be a sharps bin in half the gyms in Ireland

RidleyRider

I've never seen anyone inject in my gym but I have found testogel and the likes.

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Drained_Empty

They are re sheathing the needle and putting it in the bin, injecting in toilets.

hansfrei

Do most people inject at home? Would gyms lose reputation by admitting to allowing steroid use? Would it mean a step back to a time when there were 'good' gyms and 'bad' gyms. Renowned BBers gyms vs commercial chains?

While I'm all about the harm reduction I don't think things have gotten to the stage where the positives of harm reduction would outweigh the negatives of a kind of normalisation.

Hatfry

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

Drained_Empty

I think that's an excellent way at looking at 90% of the steroid users out there - cabbaged.

Duck's hoop

Hatfry wrote: »

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

It's the society we live in. Instant gratification. And in fairness I don't think diet and training gets you the results that the assisted gym goer gets. Certainly not with more than twice the time.

And you still have to eat like a black hole and train like a shaolin anyway. But you can't wipe your arse after a bit I'd say.

john_cappa

RidleyRider wrote: »

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Can you clarify what you mean exactly ?

KTRIC

How prevalent is it in Irish gyms ? I've started getting into bodybuilding in the past year and noticed some seriously ripped guys. Just wondering if they have put in all the effort or just took the easy way out.

john_cappa

KTRIC wrote: »

How prevalent is it in Irish gyms ? I've started getting into bodybuilding in the past year and noticed some seriously ripped guys. Just wondering if they have put in all the effort or just took the easy way out.

If you use aas have you to put in no effort? Will update Jay and Phil so.

kevpants

What a great way to drive out the 99.9% of gym users who don't use steriods and whose membership keep the lights on.

cletus van damme

RidleyRider wrote: »

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Drained_Empty wrote: »

I think that's an excellent way at looking at 90% of the steroid users out there - cabbaged.

jaysus . haters.

unless they are cheating you in drug free competition then what's the harm and more importantly what is it to you?
I'm intruged to know.

do you amuse yourselves going around all day judging people?

Darkest Horse

cletus van damme wrote: »

jaysus . haters.

unless they are cheating you in drug free competition then what's the harm and more importantly what is it to you?
I'm intruged to know.

do you amuse yourselves going around all day judging people?

More specifically, do they really think steroids shrink the penis?!

john_cappa

hansfrei wrote: »

Isn't it time Ireland had a similar look at this topic. Seems lots of people could benefit, xontrol could be easier etc

Absolutely. The alternative is to ignore the fact that steroids are used and seems fairly pointless.

Drained_Empty wrote: »

Should be a sharps bin in half the gyms in Ireland

Agree but dont see the need for anyone to actually inject on the premises but having somewhere to dispose of needles would certainly be of use to people.

RidleyRider wrote: »

I've never seen anyone inject in my gym but I have found testogel and the likes.

Stupid, small dicked idiots.

Are you really in a position to judge anyone? Really? I mean I could judge you on your previous posts over the last year (and they are lol worthy). Well done on the 80 kg bench (bravo ....starts slow clap).

See my above comments there are judgmental and intentional to highlight your own ignorance. which you have highlighted anyway with your lack of knowledge by referencing the massive hyperbole that is "penis size and AAS use". A false one at that.

Are you threatened by AAS users? Do you feel the nned to look down on them as you have above? Reality is anyone who trains at the gym (regardless of AAS use) and uses a protein shake/creatine or actually eats plenty of meat and veg in the quest for strength and muscle gain is looked upon with suspicion by the average joe. Yet you, someone who goes to the gym reenforces that attitude with the above comment?

It makes no sense.

Hatfry wrote: »

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

Just to clarify if you use AAS you still need application via diet and training. It is not a cheat. You dont bypass and the efforts. Some people what to be the best they can be. Why not just respect the choices they make instead of trying to make your self feel better and look down on them.

kevpants wrote: »

What a great way to drive out the 99.9% of gym users who don't use steriods and whose membership keep the lights on.

I dont think so. They dont have to have massive signs everywhere and a special room for injection. They can be available behind the counter.

Orlaw3136

Providing needles gives tacit approval to the behaviour and normalises it. You'd only do this as an acute measure where there was dire need in order to prevent some other greater harm, and you'd accompany it with measures to try and help people who use steroids in this way give them up.

Otherwise, is providing needles to steroid users consistent with a atmosphere which is conducive to assisting people to achieve a healthy mind and body ?

If not, gyms should not do this, out of respect for the non-steroid using membership and their aims.

Might be a different story for me if a gym could operate on a basis that steroid use was approved/endorsed/permitted/tolerated whatever, and make that clear to its members. If people want to make their decision to train in this way let them at it, but I don't want to be a member in a gym where people are being provided with the tools to go shoot up there in front of me.

kevpants

john_cappa wrote: »

special room for injection. They can be available behind the counter.

The time it would take for this to appear on Liveline after it was put in place could only be measured Planck time.

Da Za

Cabbaged?!!! LOL

Gyms don't need any of this.

If people use, surely they could just inject at home in privacy.

Orlaw3136

john_cappa wrote: »

Some people what to be the best they can be.

John I have a genuine question, i.e. I am genuinely interested in the answer.

Here in the quoted bit you refer to people wanting to 'be the best they can be'. Does this mean for you that 'the best I can be' is essentially 'the best I can be using steroids', on the basis that using steroids will clearly enhance my non-steroid using potential so that if I don't use steroids I have not achieved 'the best I can be' ?

john_cappa

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

John I have a genuine question, i.e. I am genuinely interested in the answer.

Here in the quoted bit you refer to people wanting to 'be the best they can be'. Does this mean for you that 'the best I can be' is essentially 'the best I can be using steroids', on the basis that using steroids will clearly enhance my non-steroid using potential so that if I don't use steroids I have not achieved 'the best I can be' ?

Jesus the above is confusing it is a bit "do you know, that i know that you know that I know" lol

All I mean is you will not be able to build the same amount of muscle mass/strength without AAS as you can achieve with AAS. This is important to some people who will make certain choices (i.e. AAS use) taking them to their genetic potential faster and far beyond it.

Should they be judged so negatively for this? Why have you lumped them into the same category as heroin users (you used the phrase "shoot up" which automatically does categories them in your eyes as a junkie).

Just to clarify i have never used but that is not because I think there is anything wrong with AAS use rather other personal reasons.

Orlaw3136

john_cappa wrote: »

All I mean is you will not be able to build the same amount of muscle mass/strength without AAS as you can achieve with AAS. This is important to some people who will make certain choices (i.e. AAS use) taking them to their genetic potential faster and far beyond it.

Cheers for the response - on the basis of the above we're on the same page.

hansfrei

Da Za wrote: »

Cabbaged?!!! LOL

Gyms don't need any of this.

If people use, surely they could just inject at home in privacy.

Theres the two issues there. Do people inject at home? I don't think so. Some shows take place far from home. Some contests are over a weekend. People might share knowledge of the product in a place like a gym, cycling for the first time etc. Some people are lazy, or go to a gym after work.

Is the idea to make gyms a 'safe place' to inject?

I wonder how many people are using as a proportion of gym goers.

LuckyLloyd

hansfrei wrote: »

Theres the two issues there. Do people inject at home? I don't think so. Some shows take place far from home. Some contests are over a weekend. People might share knowledge of the product in a place like a gym, cycling for the first time etc. Some people are lazy, or go to a gym after work.

Is the idea to make gyms a 'safe place' to inject?

I wonder how many people are using as a proportion of gym goers.

More than 0.01% of regular gym goers I'd imagine.

From what I hear, some changing rooms have more open discussions about it than others but make no mistake, every gym has regulars in the weights section juiced up to their gills.

cletus van damme

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

weights section juiced up to their gills.

can you explain the various levels of being juiced up? :pac:

Zombienosh

So gym are thinking about issuing needles but I get hassle if I even take my shoes off.....yeah. seems legit.

Mr. Manager

Didn't even realise this was an issue. Can honestly say I've never even heard it being mentioned. That being said, I live on a tiny rock and my gym has about 100 members - 30 of which are regulars and about 6 of them use the weights area. Including me.

Orlaw3136

Zombienosh wrote: »

So gym are thinking about issuing needles but I get hassle if I even take my shoes off.....yeah. seems legit.

'Hypodermic syringe sir ? no problem...and a towel ???? are you MAD ??? You want us to provide TOWELS ?????'

Drained_Empty

hi guys, is there any regime that requires injections to take place very soon before/after lifting ? like are any of these medications designed for short term use?

john_cappa

Drained_Empty wrote: »

hi guys, is there any regime that requires injections to take place very soon before/after lifting ? like are any of these medications designed for short term use?

No there are not yet people are inferring that there are for some reason.

hansfrei

Joe Duffy was talking about energy drinks ten year ago. Now some ten year olds take more energy drinks than a junior doctor on over time.

Also, I think 70,000 is a small numer considering the size of the UK. Could be twice that or more.

ronanc15

To be fair out of those that I know who do take steroids, I've yet to see any of them inject in the gym or suggest that they have. Wouldn't see the requirement for something of this nature (syringe cases etc) in Ireland

SRFC

Hatfry wrote: »

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

Steroids are not a magic pill fyi,seems to be a general opinion in society that you just have to take juice and a few weeks later your huge and in great shape without putting the work in :rolleyes:

Dathai

cletus van damme wrote: »

can you explain the various levels of being juiced up? :pac:

Rated from juiced to juiciest:

Regular Gym rat > Amateur Bodybuilder > Brock Lesnar > Mr. O > Your Ma

Gummy Panda

Drained_Empty wrote: »

hi guys, is there any regime that requires injections to take place very soon before/after lifting ? like are any of these medications designed for short term use?

Just insulin iirc but that uses a pen

Drained_Empty

Fair enough, i wonder if there is many type 1 diabetic body builders.

MrPain

Drained_Empty wrote: »

hi guys, is there any regime that requires injections to take place very soon before/after lifting ? like are any of these medications designed for short term use?

The only thing I can think of is some of the peptides with short half-lifes and synthol which supposedly goes in easier when you have a pump muscle in the targetted muscle group.
The number of people using these compounds among the general performance enhanced population is pretty small.
I don't see any reason to give needles away in gyms. Maybe more pharmacies participating in needle exchange programs and these programs coming with more appropriate needles and syringes for im injections.

Gummy Panda

Drained_Empty wrote: »

Fair enough, i wonder if there is many type 1 diabetic body builders.

They're not taking it because they are diabetic

Mellor

Hatfry wrote: »

Never understood the need for steroids unless it was prescribed for a lack of testosterone production. Anyone who uses them recreationally is just cabbaged IMO. There's nothing like seeing results due to your diet and effort, using this crap is like using all of the cheats in GTA, how can it be fun anymore?

Not sure if you are being serious or faking some pseudo moral high ground. Either way it doesn't really make sense.
Are you honestly saying you don't understand the why people choose steroids?

You said there's nothing like seeing results from effort and diet. Absolutely.
If only there was someway to put in more effort, train more often, and train harder for better results - instead of faking it. :cool:

hansfrei wrote: »

Theres the two issues there. Do people inject at home? I don't think so. Some shows take place far from home. Some contests are over a weekend.

Why wouldn't they inject at home? What does contest location have to do with it.

I think you watched too many Pop-Eye cartoons.

Drained_Empty

Gummy Panda wrote: »

They're not taking it because they are diabetic

the question being why are they taking them in the gym? Exercise would cause a hypoglycemic state rather than a hyperglyemic so there would be no indication to take a rapid acting insulin. unless they just oded on a can of monster or butter coffee.

Alf Veedersane

Drained_Empty wrote: »

the question being why are they taking them in the gym? Exercise would cause a hypoglycemic state rather than a hyperglyemic so there would be no indication to take a rapid acting insulin. unless they just oded on a can of monster or butter coffee.

They don't take it for its effect on blood sugar.

Drained_Empty

go on

Alf Veedersane

Drained_Empty wrote: »

go on

Here

Drained_Empty

don't be such a little rat, provide a good link or explain yourself.

KwackerJack

If you need to use drugs to lift weighs maybe you should just try yoga or Pilates!!

I'f I walked into a gym and seem a bunch of lads injecting id walk straight out and I'm pretty sure the majority of people who are going for general fitness will walk out also!

SpaceTime

People are complete idiots with sharps in general.

On several occasions I have had to report needles in a university toilets to the security staff and they're not someone doing steroids or junkies or anything nasty like that, it's someone who is too lazy to dispose of finger-prick blood sugar tests and throws them down the back of the loo!

It's totally unfair on cleaners and anyone else who might pick them up.

Also, in the context of gym changing rooms, they are full of people in bare feet and flipflops and also quite a few people won't necessarily be able to see very well - glasses / contacts etc might be off when showering or swimming.

And on top of that, kids often use changing rooms and could easily pick something up and get stuck with a needle.

...

As for steroids, why are they even legal to be used for body building?! Surely they're a prescription only drug?

Alf Veedersane

Drained_Empty wrote: »

don't be such a little rat, provide a good link or explain yourself.

Little rat?

I have 4 (FOUR) ass-kicking turtles under my command.

I'm not about to explain why bodybuilders use insulin if your first thought was that they use it to make sure their blood sugar doesn't go low.

KwackerJack

Seen as how were on the subject of drugs!

I feels so sorry for people in nightclubs when there pills go all over the floor as they try to dance and pop another. Maybe the clubs should supply little containers to keep them in :rolleyes:

If a club allows visual steroid use and some chap has a heart attack are then then liable?? Easy saying use at your own risk but allowing it to be used on premises must have some legal issue's!!

Brian?

Drained_Empty wrote: »

don't be such a little rat, provide a good link or explain yourself.

Right, this is the last warning you get. No more of this nonsense. Next time it's a ban.

cletus van damme

KwackerJack wrote: »

If you need to use drugs to lift weighs maybe you should just try yoga or Pilates!!

I'f I walked into a gym and seem a bunch of lads injecting id walk straight out and I'm pretty sure the majority of people who are going for general fitness will walk out also!

KwackerJack wrote: »

Seen as how were on the subject of drugs!

I feels so sorry for people in nightclubs when there pills go all over the floor as they try to dance and pop another. Maybe the clubs should supply little containers to keep them in :rolleyes:

If a club allows visual steroid use and some chap has a heart attack are then then liable?? Easy saying use at your own risk but allowing it to be used on premises must have some legal issue's!!

how is the air up there on your moral perch?
:rolleyes:

speaking of drugs -only a fool would drop his pills on the floor.
but a drug testing booth (to test the drusg not the person!) would be step forward.

enda1

I'm not someone who goes to the gym and so certainly don't take steroids or the like, but isn't it conceivable that some people don't go o the gym for the sake of it and instead go for the result - body image improvement. I don't get all the hate towards people who "cheat" their way to this goal. For most of you your goals are probably more rounded, fitness, toning, health, success etc. but others can and do have singular goals.

Let them at it I say!