mother keeps dead child for 2 years

clairefontaine · 19-09-2013 11:00PM

KKkitty wrote: »

She was a care assistant so must have had some level of mental intelligence. The only thing that was on her mind was claiming benefits for her deceased child fraudulently.

She probably did this because she's have to report the child's death, get a death cert etc. I imagine collecting benefits was more about the cover up and not raising flags.

I don't know why people do things like this.

19-09-2013 11:00PM

KKkitty wrote: »

She was a care assistant so must have had some level of mental intelligence. The only thing that was on her mind was claiming benefits for her deceased child fraudulently.

We don't know that, unless we're mind readers.

You can be mentally ill and of high or low intelligence.

If she's ill she'll get treatment and punishment. If she's not ill she'll get punishment. Either way, she's not going to go unpunished.

We don't know if she's mad or bad or both, but she won't walk away from this and nobody is 'excusing' her.

anncoates · 19-09-2013 11:03PM

KKkitty wrote: »

I don't feel any sympathy for her at al.

Are you implying that I do?

Compu Global Hyper Meganet · 19-09-2013 11:08PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But I don't think anyone is saying it is. It might just mean in some cases ultimately being locked up for life in a psychiatric institution which is hardly getting off lightly.

From what I've gleaned from repeated viewings of "One flew over the cuckoo's nest", it could be worse! My point is that attempting to differentiate between degrees of mental instability/outright insanity is dangerous, therefore all extreme (for want of a better word) criminals should be treated similarly.

KKkitty · 19-09-2013 11:11PM

anncoates wrote: »

Are you implying that I do?

Certainly not. My youngest is almost 4 and I can't understand stories like this. Breaks my heart to think people like this exist.

Femme_Fatale · 19-09-2013 11:12PM

The house was covered in ****, rotting matter and rubbish - it's highly likely she's severely messed up in the head. If any person was living like that, it would be agreed they have a few screws loose, but apparently merely acknowledging this is somehow "excusing" her? I still think she should be imprisoned for life so how am I excusing her?

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

From what I've gleaned from repeated viewings of "One flew over the cuckoo's nest", it could be worse! My point is that attempting to differentiate between degrees of mental instability/outright insanity is dangerous, therefore all extreme (for want of a better word) criminals should be treated similarly.

Thought they were?

Compu Global Hyper Meganet · 19-09-2013 11:15PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The house was covered in ****, rotting matter and rubbish - it's highly likely she's severely messed up in the head, but apparently merely acknowledging this is somehow "excusing" her? I still think she should be imprisoned for life so how am I excusing her?

Thought they were?

Nope. Some get imprisoned. Others get committed. In the US, some can avoid the death penalty by pleading insanity. None of the outcomes are particularly pleasant, but they are inconsistent.

roast · 19-09-2013 11:21PM

I feel ill after reading this.

anncoates · 19-09-2013 11:36PM

KKkitty wrote: »

Breaks my heart to think people like this exist.

I think we can all agree on that.

Scruffles · 20-09-2013 12:09AM

Candie wrote: »

We don't know that, unless we're mind readers.

You can be mentally ill and of high or low intelligence.

If she's ill she'll get treatment and punishment. If she's not ill she'll get punishment. Either way, she's not going to go unpunished.

We don't know if she's mad or bad or both, but she won't walk away from this and nobody is 'excusing' her.

am not a fan of using the term but she certainly doesnt have 'low inteligence', am intelectualy disabled and require twenty four seven support on a two to one support basis with waking night staff in a secure residential care setting.
the entire ID spectrum [known as LD here] is considered the low functioning/low IQ category,if she was low IQ she woudnt be able to support herself in various ways let alone work as a care assistant;which is a demanding job physicaly,mentaly,emotionaly and educationaly [they do lots of paperwork]and also have a husband and child; all of these things are limited by having a limited mental capacity which from own view she shows no signs of at all.

by law in the UK, those of us who are labeled under LD are protected under the mental capacity act;we cannot get married without a legaly binding 'best interest decision' being made,plus the social services childrens team and adult learning disability team also woud have been closely involved with her to help her be a parent,or they woud have rehomed the child.
social services get a bad rap when its split into different teams that work differently;the childrens team may have a lot of issues to work out but the LD team are an incredible bunch of decent social workers,LD nurses and specialists who do keep very close monitoring on those of us on the books because we are considered to be criticaly vulnerable members of society.

smileyj1987 · 20-09-2013 12:24AM

This makes you wish corporal punishment was still around .

anncoates · 20-09-2013 12:35AM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

This makes you wish corporal punishment was still around .

Not much chance of a judge ordering a teacher to cane her, to be honest.

120_Minutes · 20-09-2013 12:37AM

T-Maxx wrote: »

She's a junkie and an alcoholic.

Cop on, if weed makes you a junkie, then i'm a junkie.

Weed and booze didnt cause this, her lack of mental stability caused this.

I'm sick of people, regardless of how dispicable they are being called junkies for smoking weed. It's factually incorrect.

Ms2011 · 20-09-2013 02:04PM

God this must be one of the saddest things I've ever read, his picture, those eyes will haunt me.

I can't understand how this level of mistreatment went unnoticed by a PHN, a neighbour, family member...someone!!!
He was 4 years old & fitted into a babygro for a 6-9 month old, from memory they fit babies up to 17-18lbs & nobobdy though this odd.
It's unforgivable to kill a child with just one blow but to systematically starve a child, watch them waste away, listen to their crys of pain...it's on another level altogether.

Sleep tight little man, I hope you're somewhere where you're getting the love you should have gotten here ♡

Miri5 · 20-09-2013 02:33PM

The latest story is that his own brother saw him eating the contents of his own nappy and how he slept upright in a urine soaked buggy.

I don't care whether she was a junkie, of low intelligence or mentally ill, anyone who commits child cruelty to this level should be sterilised to stop them ever having children again. To hell with human rights, they are not human!! The same thing should be done to Baby P's mother, Daniel Pelkas mother and all those other monsters out there who do that to an innnocent child!!

Cantona's Collars · 03-10-2013 04:56PM

She's been found guilty of starving her child to death,she was too drunk to attend court on Monday.

Some of the pictures of the house are horrific. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442539/Mother-guilty-starving-year-old-son-death-leaving-body-decompse-cot.html

mother keeps dead child for 2 years

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