mother keeps dead child for 2 years

mayobumblebee

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424335/Amanda-Hutton-starved-son-death-claimed-child-benefit-dead.html

i really find this story shocking :mad::mad:

poor child

paddy147

mayobumblebee wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424335/Amanda-Hutton-starved-son-death-claimed-child-benefit-dead.html

i really find this story shocking :mad::mad:

poor child

And shes a "former" care assisntant too..:eek:

wexie

paddy147 wrote: »

And shes a "former" care assisntant too..:eek:

Some care assistant.

Anybody who can do that to a child should be locked up and have the key thrown out. Same goes for the father although I'm sure he'll have some excuse.

Bloody disgusting

AlanS181824

Wow... speechless right now..

AudreyHepburn

:eek:

There aren't words.

Poor little baby

Femme_Fatale

It's mind-boggling the people who sometimes work as care assistants. Look at those nursing home exposés for instance. Maybe they like the idea of having a certain degree of power over helpless people.
Maybe the money is good in some of those places, especially for anti social hours.

mayobumblebee

according to this one they were seperated and the father lived somewhere elce

http://motherswhokillchildren.blogspot.ie/2013/09/filicide-uk-amanda-hutton-charged-with.html

Cody Pomeray

wexie wrote: »

Same goes for the father although I'm sure he'll have some excuse.

Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

Very sad case, hard to know what to make of it. In a way, I can understand why, until a few decades ago, the media wouldn't report sensitive child deprivation stories like this. What purpose does it serve? I get the feeling it's only entertainment fodder.

Maybe the best thing to do would be to penalize social service workers or agencies where they are negligent, and leave this sort of thing out of the public gaze.

SV

There are no words.

Cody Pomeray

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

Very sad case, hard to know what to make of it. In a way, I can understand why, until a few decades ago, the media wouldn't report sensitive child deprivation stories like this. What purpose does it serve? I get the feeling it's only entertainment fodder.

Maybe the best thing to do would be to penalize social service workers or agencies where they are negligent, and leave this sort of thing out of the public gaze.

I think it's too like sweeping it under the carpet if it goes wilfully unreported. I take your point about it being gruesome reading for the ghoulish though. Perhaps if the reporting was kept to the bare facts with little detail and no speculation it would be a reasonable compromise.

I don't understand people who pore over the details of terrible cases, or consume misery porn literature, but I suppose they'll always be with us.

wexie

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

No, actually, it's not!!! :mad:

He may not have been actually been perpetrating the abuse but as the child's father he had a responsibility to the child.

He obviously hadn't seen or spoken to the poor child in years, or cared that he hadn't.

Purposely closing your eyes so you don't see anything and then claiming you didn't know doesn't mean you're innocent.

Dtp1979

In fairness the mother does look like a crazy bitch

Dtp1979

Dtp1979 wrote: »

In fairness the mother does look like a crazy bitch

Lots of people look like crazies. Thankfully they're almost all decent.

dodderangler

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

:eek:

There aren't words.

Poor little baby

Of course there's words.
Il start it off


Sick twisted disgusting and in humane person.

SV

She looks like a mix of the two scissor sisters, Linda and Charlotte Mulhall.

Femme_Fatale

wexie wrote: »

He may not have been actually been perpetrating the abuse but as the child's father he had a responsibility to the child.

He obviously hadn't seen or spoken to the poor child in years, or cared that he hadn't.

Well it's not obvious, to be fair. She could have been preventing him from seeing his son. He may not have known she was abusing him either.

Purposely closing your eyes so you don't see anything and then claiming you didn't know doesn't mean you're innocent.

It can do though.

All the blaming of people besides the actual abuser/murderer is seeping into this thread again, like on the other thread.

Cody Pomeray

Candie wrote: »

I think it's too like sweeping it under the carpet if it goes wilfully unreported. I take your point about it being gruesome reading for the ghoulish though. Perhaps if the reporting was kept to the bare facts with little detail and no speculation it would be a reasonable compromise.

Actually yes, this is a far more sensible approach and if I thought about it more I would have said something more like this. I just thought the coverage was a little too graphic, beyond what was needed. That a child died of deprivation, along with some other core facts is sufficient information for the public interest. The media just lose the run of themselves in their voyeurism.

wexie wrote: »

No, actually, it's not!!! :mad:

He may not have been actually been perpetrating the abuse but as the child's father he had a responsibility to the child.

He obviously hadn't seen or spoken to the poor child in years, or cared that he hadn't.

Purposely closing your eyes so you don't see anything and then claiming you didn't know doesn't mean you're innocent.

It's wrongdoing of a completely different form and order of magnitude to walk out on your partner and kids. You don't know the individual circumstances, it isn't always the best thing for everyone to have contact with their parents, including, apparently, this misfortunate toddler.

shopaholic01

Claiming welfare payments while your dead child lies in a cot - how do people get to the stage where they consider this normal or acceptable?

Poor child.

wexie

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

All the blaming of people besides the actual abuser/murderer is seeping into this thread again, like on the other thread.

I'm sorry I'm not sure which other thread you mean (been away).

There may well have been 'other people' that could have prevented this but I wasn't referring to them.

Takes 2 to make a child and I just can't possibly imagine why anyone could just wash their hands of their offspring. Relationships become messed up etc. etc. but you can't just walk away from a life you created.

I'm sure the 'law' would say otherwise but as far as I'm concerned that father is guilty, and yes I'm comfortable saying that without any more details on the case. It's entirely unlikely he didn't know that the mother wasn't suitable parenting material and he did nothing. If he'd made even a token effort to stay in contact with the child this could have been prevented.

paddy147

SV wrote: »

She looks like a mix of the two scissor sisters, Linda and Charlotte Mulhall.

Linda (blondie one) will be out free again in a few more years.

I think the other one is now in a Lesbian relationship with another woman

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/scissor-sister-charlotte-mulhall-confessions-2033680


http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/syringe-sister

Peregrine

I just read the title, then looked at the picture of the baby..then the picture of the policewoman removing the corpse.


I'm just speechless..

Femme_Fatale

wexie wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm not sure which other thread you mean (been away).

There may well have been 'other people' that could have prevented this but I wasn't referring to them.

There's a thread about a little boy called Daniel Pelka, who perished at the hands of his mother and her boyfriend.
I wasn't talking about other people preventing this, I was talking about people besides the person or people directly responsible, being blamed.

Takes 2 to make a child and I just can't possibly imagine why anyone could just wash their hands of their offspring. Relationships become messed up etc. etc. but you can't just walk away from a life you created.

Look at the ridiculous amount of upper-hand mothers have in this country and Britain. She could easily have prevented him from seeing his son. You can speculate of course, but you can't expect people to say nothing when you present your speculation as fact.
Perhaps he has some responsibility (I don't know for sure, but perhaps) however most of the blame lies with her and her alone.

martinedwards

there are words....

Mental illness.

these are not the actions of a normal person, so trying to look at their actions and understand them from a sane person's point of view can't be done.

Obviously social services should have caught the child before the poor mite died, but keeping him in his cot for two years?

even for the £10 a week child benefit, she's clearly not a well lady.

wexie

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

There's a thread about a little boy called Daniel Pelka, who perished at the hands of his mother and her boyfriend.

I've read some articles on it alright not seen the thread though. Not going looking for it either.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Perhaps he has some responsibility (I don't know for sure, but perhaps) however most of the blame lies with her and her alone.

Obivously most of the blame lies with her. However I feel that if the child had had even a half decent father this very likely wouldn't have happened. Even in Irish and English courtrooms alcoholic and drug addicted mothers don't do overly well. (although maybe she cleans up well, addicts can be awfully deceiving).

paddy147

martinedwards wrote: »

there are words....

Mental illness.

these are not the actions of a normal person, so trying to look at their actions and understand them from a sane person's point of view can't be done.

Obviously social services should have caught the child before the poor mite died, but keeping him in his cot for two years?

even for the £10 a week child benefit, she's clearly not a well lady.

Constantly smoking loads of weed and downing bottles of booze doesnt help.

And neither does trying to claim that the child had natural abnormalities.


Fess up and take the punishment FFS.

T-Maxx

A strong case for the re-introducing the death penalty IMO.

Sick ****s like her should be disposed off.

T-Maxx

T-Maxx wrote: »

A strong case for the re-introducing the death penalty IMO.

Sick ****s like her should be disposed off.

She may very well be seriously ill.

She has to be punished, but you can't make a situation where one person dies better by killing another person.

T-Maxx

Candie wrote: »

She may very well be seriously ill.

She has to be punished, but you can't make a situation where one person dies better by killing another person.

She's a junkie and an alcoholic.

dotsman

fcuk me, I don't think I'll sleep good tonight after seeing that picture of him. Before even reading the story, the first instinct that crossed my mind when I saw the picture of him was to extend my arms, pick him up and give him a huge hug. I don't know what it is - the eyes or the expression on his face, but that looked like a kid in desperate need of human love.

How anybody, regardless of how fcuked up they are mentally, could do anything but love that child is beyond me.

paddy147

Theres alot of this happening in the UK.

The polish couple over in the UK who seriously abused and beat their little toddler child to death.

T-Maxx

T-Maxx wrote: »

She's a junkie and an alcoholic.

And also a human being.

I'm not for one minute suggesting she should go unpunished. Only that she be treated humanely so that the rest of society can claim to be above killing someone, as she did.

BattleCorp

She's obviously off her rocker. Only a mental person would do something like that.

Or extremely evil.........and mental.

Local-womanizer

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I just read the title, then looked at the picture of the baby..then the picture of the policewoman removing the corpse.


I'm just speechless..

Yes it is shocking but I'm pretty sure that police women isnt removing the body, it's probably a bag of evidence. Something tells me they wouldn't put a body into a brown paper bag and be carrying it around without any gloves. Also it would usually be the coroners office that would do this, not the police.

Riddle101

This world I tell you. There are a lot of heartless pieces of sh!t out there.

KKkitty

Why did no one question the absence of the child? Surely visitors would have wondered what the smell was and why this poor child was not seen or heard at all!

BeerWolf

What a disgusting BITCH - bad enough to let the child starve to death, she willfully let it happen and carried on to claim child benefits !!!

Beyond fecking pure evil !!

:mad:

lukesmom

Probably one of the most fcuked up stories I've ever heard

anncoates

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth and repeating to myself over and over again that I'm against the death penalty.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

While social services will take a hammering for this once again, I think that it's a sad reflection on modern society that a child can be dead for two years without anyone becoming suspicious or reporting it.

It's also strange that a crime like this can occur and people are quick to mention mental illness as a potential mitigating circumstance. To a degree, every serial killer/rapist/child abuser in history has had some kind of mental abnormality. That seems fairly logical. Does that mean that every Ted Bundy or Fr. Brendan Smyth should be handled with judicial kid gloves? While it's great that people are talking about mental health, and it's fantastic that the stigma surrounding depression is fading, there is a danger that evil is becoming more acceptable as a by-product of this. It's a tough balance to get right.

MurdyWurdy

dotsman wrote: »

fcuk me, I don't think I'll sleep good tonight after seeing that picture of him. Before even reading the story, the first instinct that crossed my mind when I saw the picture of him was to extend my arms, pick him up and give him a huge hug. I don't know what it is - the eyes or the expression on his face, but that looked like a kid in desperate need of human love.

How anybody, regardless of how fcuked up they are mentally, could do anything but love that child is beyond me.

I thought there was something in his eyes in the photo too. Not sure if that 's just hindsight but the photo made me want to pick him up and give him a hug

anncoates

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

Very sad case, hard to know what to make of it. In a way, I can understand why, until a few decades ago, the media wouldn't report sensitive child deprivation stories like this. What purpose does it serve? I get the feeling it's only entertainment fodder.

Maybe the best thing to do would be to penalize social service workers or agencies where they are negligent, and leave this sort of thing out of the public gaze.

Although the tabloids are prurient ghouls, bringing this to public attention does place pressure on the social services and maybe even helps challenge the atomization of a society that doesn't notice a child drop below the radar in such a terrible manner.

Femme_Fatale

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

To a degree, every serial killer/rapist/child abuser in history has had some kind of mental abnormality. That seems fairly logical. Does that mean that every Ted Bundy or Fr. Brendan Smyth should be handled with judicial kid gloves?

No. Merely mentioning it if it's relevant absolutely in no way implies there should be leniency towards the criminal. The alternative would be to ignore mental illness even if it's a factor in the crime, and that's hardly gonna help prevent such cases from occurring again.
I don't agree every person who commits an atrocious act is definitely mentally ill or an addict or had a terrible life though, but it's highly likely.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

While social services will take a hammering for this once again, I think that it's a sad reflection on modern society that a child can be dead for two years without anyone becoming suspicious or reporting it.

It's also strange that a crime like this can occur and people are quick to mention mental illness as a potential mitigating circumstance. To a degree, every serial killer/rapist/child abuser in history has had some kind of mental abnormality. That seems fairly logical. Does that mean that every Ted Bundy or Fr. Brendan Smyth should be handled with judicial kid gloves? While it's great that people are talking about mental health, and it's fantastic that the stigma surrounding depression is fading, there is a danger that evil is becoming more acceptable as a by-product of this. It's a tough balance to get right.

No, I think there's a huge difference in recognising a factor and using it as an excuse.

We don't know if she was ill or bad (or what I feel might be most likely, both). And thats the point. We don't know.

Evil, if it exists, will never be acceptable and most people will struggle to see how it could be construed as a by-product of depression.

wp_rathead

People are perfectly capable of doing horrible acts without mental illness
Disgusting story
Life in jail is what she deserves

Tim the Enchanter

I'm sorry but theres no way i could open that link. I'm sat here after putting our 5 month old down for the night, her two brothers, 5 and 3, are asleep clinging to their favorite teddys. Just by reading the headline i couldn't imagine what kind of monster exists to do that to an innocent child.

mfceiling

She's mentally ill.

No one of sane mind could do that - no one.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

No. Merely mentioning it if it's relevant absolutely in no way implies there should be leniency towards the criminal. The alternative would be to ignore mental illness even if it's a factor in the crime, and that's hardly gonna help prevent such cases from occurring again.
I don't agree every person who commits an atrocious act is definitely mentally ill or an addict or had a terrible life though, but it's highly likely.

Candie wrote: »

No, I think there's a huge difference in recognising a factor and using it as an excuse.

We don't know if she was ill or bad (or what I feel might be most likely, both). And thats the point. We don't know.

Evil, if it exists, will never be acceptable and most people will struggle to see how it could be construed as a by-product of depression.

But where is the line drawn? I'm no psychologist, but I'm pretty confident that this woman wasn't mentally stable. However, I'm equally positive that every other evil doer is unbalanced. Just seems to me that "mental illness" is becoming the go to excuse for any heinous crime. At some point, we have to accept that terrible acts are terrible acts. Nothing can justify what this mother has done to her child.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

But where is the line drawn? I'm no psychologist, but I'm pretty confident that this woman wasn't mentally stable. However, I'm equally positive that every other evil doer is unbalanced. Just seems to me that "mental illness" is becoming the go to excuse for any heinous crime. At some point, we have to accept that terrible acts are terrible acts. Nothing can justify what this mother has done to her child.

Nobody is trying to justify it, and nobody thinks it's anything less than a terrible act of enormous depravity.

KKkitty

mfceiling wrote: »

She's mentally ill.

No one of sane mind could do that - no one.

She smoked weed, drank alcohol and ordered a pizza after he died. Life went on for her with no care for her son.

anncoates

mfceiling wrote: »

No one of sane mind could do that - no one.

Would like to believe that but not so sure.

anncoates

KKkitty wrote: »

She smoked weed, drank alcohol and ordered a pizza after he died.

To be fair, mentally I'll people are capable of eating pizza and drinking.