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mother keeps dead child for 2 years

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147




    And shes a "former" care assisntant too..:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    paddy147 wrote: »
    And shes a "former" care assisntant too..:eek:

    Some care assistant.

    Anybody who can do that to a child should be locked up and have the key thrown out. Same goes for the father although I'm sure he'll have some excuse.

    Bloody disgusting


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    Wow... speechless right now..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    :eek:

    There aren't words.

    Poor little baby :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    It's mind-boggling the people who sometimes work as care assistants. Look at those nursing home exposés for instance. Maybe they like the idea of having a certain degree of power over helpless people.
    Maybe the money is good in some of those places, especially for anti social hours.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭mayobumblebee


    according to this one they were seperated and the father lived somewhere elce

    http://motherswhokillchildren.blogspot.ie/2013/09/filicide-uk-amanda-hutton-charged-with.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    wexie wrote: »
    Same goes for the father although I'm sure he'll have some excuse.
    Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

    Very sad case, hard to know what to make of it. In a way, I can understand why, until a few decades ago, the media wouldn't report sensitive child deprivation stories like this. What purpose does it serve? I get the feeling it's only entertainment fodder.

    Maybe the best thing to do would be to penalize social service workers or agencies where they are negligent, and leave this sort of thing out of the public gaze.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    There are no words.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

    Very sad case, hard to know what to make of it. In a way, I can understand why, until a few decades ago, the media wouldn't report sensitive child deprivation stories like this. What purpose does it serve? I get the feeling it's only entertainment fodder.

    Maybe the best thing to do would be to penalize social service workers or agencies where they are negligent, and leave this sort of thing out of the public gaze.


    I think it's too like sweeping it under the carpet if it goes wilfully unreported. I take your point about it being gruesome reading for the ghoulish though. Perhaps if the reporting was kept to the bare facts with little detail and no speculation it would be a reasonable compromise.

    I don't understand people who pore over the details of terrible cases, or consume misery porn literature, but I suppose they'll always be with us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Well, he was out of the woman's life. That's a pretty strong indication of his innocence.

    No, actually, it's not!!! :mad:

    He may not have been actually been perpetrating the abuse but as the child's father he had a responsibility to the child.

    He obviously hadn't seen or spoken to the poor child in years, or cared that he hadn't.

    Purposely closing your eyes so you don't see anything and then claiming you didn't know doesn't mean you're innocent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,923 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    In fairness the mother does look like a crazy bitch


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    In fairness the mother does look like a crazy bitch


    Lots of people look like crazies. Thankfully they're almost all decent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    :eek:

    There aren't words.

    Poor little baby :(

    Of course there's words.
    Il start it off


    Sick twisted disgusting and in humane person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    She looks like a mix of the two scissor sisters, Linda and Charlotte Mulhall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    wexie wrote: »
    He may not have been actually been perpetrating the abuse but as the child's father he had a responsibility to the child.

    He obviously hadn't seen or spoken to the poor child in years, or cared that he hadn't.
    Well it's not obvious, to be fair. She could have been preventing him from seeing his son. He may not have known she was abusing him either.
    Purposely closing your eyes so you don't see anything and then claiming you didn't know doesn't mean you're innocent.
    It can do though.

    All the blaming of people besides the actual abuser/murderer is seeping into this thread again, like on the other thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Candie wrote: »
    I think it's too like sweeping it under the carpet if it goes wilfully unreported. I take your point about it being gruesome reading for the ghoulish though. Perhaps if the reporting was kept to the bare facts with little detail and no speculation it would be a reasonable compromise.
    Actually yes, this is a far more sensible approach and if I thought about it more I would have said something more like this. I just thought the coverage was a little too graphic, beyond what was needed. That a child died of deprivation, along with some other core facts is sufficient information for the public interest. The media just lose the run of themselves in their voyeurism.
    wexie wrote: »
    No, actually, it's not!!! :mad:

    He may not have been actually been perpetrating the abuse but as the child's father he had a responsibility to the child.

    He obviously hadn't seen or spoken to the poor child in years, or cared that he hadn't.

    Purposely closing your eyes so you don't see anything and then claiming you didn't know doesn't mean you're innocent.
    It's wrongdoing of a completely different form and order of magnitude to walk out on your partner and kids. You don't know the individual circumstances, it isn't always the best thing for everyone to have contact with their parents, including, apparently, this misfortunate toddler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Claiming welfare payments while your dead child lies in a cot - how do people get to the stage where they consider this normal or acceptable?

    Poor child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie



    All the blaming of people besides the actual abuser/murderer is seeping into this thread again, like on the other thread.

    I'm sorry I'm not sure which other thread you mean (been away).

    There may well have been 'other people' that could have prevented this but I wasn't referring to them.

    Takes 2 to make a child and I just can't possibly imagine why anyone could just wash their hands of their offspring. Relationships become messed up etc. etc. but you can't just walk away from a life you created.

    I'm sure the 'law' would say otherwise but as far as I'm concerned that father is guilty, and yes I'm comfortable saying that without any more details on the case. It's entirely unlikely he didn't know that the mother wasn't suitable parenting material and he did nothing. If he'd made even a token effort to stay in contact with the child this could have been prevented.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    SV wrote: »
    She looks like a mix of the two scissor sisters, Linda and Charlotte Mulhall.


    Linda (blondie one) will be out free again in a few more years.

    I think the other one is now in a Lesbian relationship with another woman

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/scissor-sister-charlotte-mulhall-confessions-2033680


    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/syringe-sister


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    I just read the title, then looked at the picture of the baby..then the picture of the policewoman removing the corpse.


    I'm just speechless..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    wexie wrote: »
    I'm sorry I'm not sure which other thread you mean (been away).

    There may well have been 'other people' that could have prevented this but I wasn't referring to them.
    There's a thread about a little boy called Daniel Pelka, who perished at the hands of his mother and her boyfriend.
    I wasn't talking about other people preventing this, I was talking about people besides the person or people directly responsible, being blamed.
    Takes 2 to make a child and I just can't possibly imagine why anyone could just wash their hands of their offspring. Relationships become messed up etc. etc. but you can't just walk away from a life you created.
    Look at the ridiculous amount of upper-hand mothers have in this country and Britain. She could easily have prevented him from seeing his son. You can speculate of course, but you can't expect people to say nothing when you present your speculation as fact.
    Perhaps he has some responsibility (I don't know for sure, but perhaps) however most of the blame lies with her and her alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭martinedwards


    there are words....

    Mental illness.

    these are not the actions of a normal person, so trying to look at their actions and understand them from a sane person's point of view can't be done.

    Obviously social services should have caught the child before the poor mite died, but keeping him in his cot for two years?

    even for the £10 a week child benefit, she's clearly not a well lady.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    There's a thread about a little boy called Daniel Pelka, who perished at the hands of his mother and her boyfriend.

    I've read some articles on it alright :( not seen the thread though. Not going looking for it either.
    Perhaps he has some responsibility (I don't know for sure, but perhaps) however most of the blame lies with her and her alone.

    Obivously most of the blame lies with her. However I feel that if the child had had even a half decent father this very likely wouldn't have happened. Even in Irish and English courtrooms alcoholic and drug addicted mothers don't do overly well. (although maybe she cleans up well, addicts can be awfully deceiving).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    there are words....

    Mental illness.

    these are not the actions of a normal person, so trying to look at their actions and understand them from a sane person's point of view can't be done.

    Obviously social services should have caught the child before the poor mite died, but keeping him in his cot for two years?

    even for the £10 a week child benefit, she's clearly not a well lady.


    Constantly smoking loads of weed and downing bottles of booze doesnt help.

    And neither does trying to claim that the child had natural abnormalities.


    Fess up and take the punishment FFS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    A strong case for the re-introducing the death penalty IMO.

    Sick ****s like her should be disposed off.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    A strong case for the re-introducing the death penalty IMO.

    Sick ****s like her should be disposed off.

    She may very well be seriously ill.

    She has to be punished, but you can't make a situation where one person dies better by killing another person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Candie wrote: »
    She may very well be seriously ill.

    She has to be punished, but you can't make a situation where one person dies better by killing another person.

    She's a junkie and an alcoholic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    fcuk me, I don't think I'll sleep good tonight after seeing that picture of him. Before even reading the story, the first instinct that crossed my mind when I saw the picture of him was to extend my arms, pick him up and give him a huge hug. I don't know what it is - the eyes or the expression on his face, but that looked like a kid in desperate need of human love.

    How anybody, regardless of how fcuked up they are mentally, could do anything but love that child is beyond me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Theres alot of this happening in the UK.

    The polish couple over in the UK who seriously abused and beat their little toddler child to death.


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    She's a junkie and an alcoholic.

    And also a human being.

    I'm not for one minute suggesting she should go unpunished. Only that she be treated humanely so that the rest of society can claim to be above killing someone, as she did.


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