Garda charged for pepper spraying teen..

carzony · 18-09-2013 08:12PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gardai-charged-with-assault-after-allegedly-pepperspraying-a-teenager-29587823.html

The amount of garda going before the courts is unreal lately. Here is the latest court case

:o

Ilik Urgee · 18-09-2013 08:16PM

Two things I'd hate to be in this country- sick or a Garda.

TommiesTank · 18-09-2013 08:17PM

What did the toerag do to deserve that? Spit on the arresting officer or something?

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:18PM

Should have got a medal imo

SV · 18-09-2013 08:21PM

Pepper sprayed while he was incapacitated? They deserve to have the book thrown at them.

MarkR · 18-09-2013 08:21PM

Just he said she said crap right now really. No evidence yet, so some criminal says he was a victim of police brutality.

If it was vindictive, I would be disappointed in the gardai. Would like to hear their side of the story.

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:22PM

SV wrote: »

Pepper sprayed while he was incapacitated? They deserve to have the book thrown at them.

Why? Even if he was handcuffed he could still kick or bite.

Fr_Dougal · 18-09-2013 08:24PM

It was only pepper spray. If the little bollocks had behaving himself they wouldn't have needed to go near him in the first place.

SV · 18-09-2013 08:25PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Why? Even if he was handcuffed he could still kick or bite.

Does not matter in the slightest, if he was handcuffed then they could have restrained him more quite easily that he couldn't do either of these things.

btw, pepper spraying him doesn't mean he could no longer kick or bite either?
all it served was to put him in pain. Scummy behaviour.

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:27PM

SV wrote: »

Does not matter in the slightest, if he was handcuffed then they could have restrained him more quite easily that he couldn't do either of these things.

btw, pepper spraying him doesn't mean he could no longer kick or bite either?
all it served was to put him in pain. Scummy behaviour.

So they should have used the softly softly approach? Offered him sweets and a round table discussion about his issues? He was being arrested and he resisted ergo he deserved to be sprayed. The only thing wrong here is it's not done enough.

18-09-2013 08:28PM

Not sure if people understand what alleged or charged means...

SV · 18-09-2013 08:30PM

bumper234 wrote: »

So they should have used the softly softly approach? Offered him sweets and a round table discussion about his issues? He was being arrested and he resisted ergo he deserved to be sprayed. The only thing wrong here is it's not done enough.

He was handcuffed. They should have put restrained him with other methods, leg straps and the likes if he was actually being agressive.

Pepper spraying is the wrong solution.

Do you think it's ok for a Garda to hit lads a few slaps while they're handcuffed?

returnNull · 18-09-2013 08:30PM

maybe start a thread when they've been convicted otherwise you'll just come across as numpties

Nodin · 18-09-2013 08:31PM

bumper234 wrote: »

So they should have used the softly softly approach? Offered him sweets and a round table discussion about his issues? He was being arrested and he resisted ergo he deserved to be sprayed. The only thing wrong here is it's not done enough.

...wheres all this info coming from....?

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:35PM

SV wrote: »

He was handcuffed. They should have put restrained him with other methods, leg straps and the likes if he was actually being agressive.

Pepper spraying is the wrong solution.

Do you think it's ok for a Garda to hit lads a few slaps while they're handcuffed?

There is a difference to using a pepper spray and hitting someone a slap. Put yourself in the Guards position and lets say the guy is trying to bite you, would you risk putting your hands in there risking not only injury but also hepatitis?

Or do you warn him that if he does not stop you will use pepper spray and then follow through on that? Have you ever been bitten by a scumbag? I have and it hurts a lot more than pepper spray!

SV · 18-09-2013 08:37PM

bumper234 wrote: »

There is a difference to using a pepper spray and hitting someone a slap. Put yourself in the Guards position and lets say the guy is trying to bite you, would you risk putting your hands in there risking not only injury but also hepatitis?

Or do you warn him that if he does not stop you will use pepper spray and then follow through on that? Have you ever been bitten by a scumbag? I have and it hurts a lot more than pepper spray!

There is absolutely no difference other than one needs physical contact in this instance.

Lets say he's trying to bite me? Seriously there's no proof of this. Also, if he was, what of it? hes handcuffed, he's hardly a major threat or anything, CERTAINLY nothing that pepper spraying would fix.

Have you ever been pepper sprayed?

Nodin · 18-09-2013 08:37PM

bumper234 wrote: »

There is a difference to using a pepper spray and hitting someone a slap. Put yourself in the Guards position and lets say the guy is trying to bite you, would you risk putting your hands in there risking not only injury but also hepatitis?

Or do you warn him that if he does not stop you will use pepper spray and then follow through on that? Have you ever been bitten by a scumbag? I have and it hurts a lot more than pepper spray!

...wild speculation at this point, as there is scant information in the OP as regards to what was going on.

Howard Juneau · 18-09-2013 08:39PM

SV wrote: »

Does not matter in the slightest, if he was handcuffed then they could have restrained him more quite easily that he couldn't do either of these things.

btw, pepper spraying him doesn't mean he could no longer kick or bite either?
all it served was to put him in pain. Scummy behaviour.

Pepper spray means you can't see what you're doing & makes it easier to hold someone down as you should know

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:40PM

SV wrote: »

There is absolutely no difference other than one needs physical contact in this instance.

Lets say he's trying to bite me? Seriously there's no proof of this. Also, if he was, what of it? hes handcuffed, he's hardly a major threat or anything, CERTAINLY nothing that pepper spraying would fix.

Have you ever been pepper sprayed?

Yes i have when i served in the military so i know EXACTLY what it's like. At the end of the day he resisted arrest and got pepper sprayed, if he had not resisted arrest he wouldn't have. Lesson learned/ Don't resist arrest!

Nodin · 18-09-2013 08:43PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Yes i have when i served in the military so i know EXACTLY what it's like. At the end of the day he resisted arrest and got pepper sprayed, if he had not resisted arrest he wouldn't have. Lesson learned/ Don't resist arrest!

....there is no mention in the OP of him being arrested....

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

....there is no mention in the OP of him being arrested....

Always with the same picky posts:rolleyes:

SV · 18-09-2013 08:45PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

Pepper spray means you can't see what you're doing & makes it easier to hold someone down as you should know

He was already in handcuffs.

bumper234 wrote: »

Yes i have when i served in the military so i know EXACTLY what it's like. At the end of the day he resisted arrest and got pepper sprayed, if he had not resisted arrest he wouldn't have. Lesson learned/ Don't resist arrest!

How do you know he resisted arrest? He was also already handcuffed?
Really? that's the lesson to be learnt here? There's a reason police brutality exists in the world, and it's because of attitudes like this.

SV · 18-09-2013 08:46PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Always with the same picky posts:rolleyes:

Probably because you're making stuff up to suit your argument.

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:47PM

SV wrote: »

He was already in handcuffs.

How do you know he resisted arrest? He was also already handcuffed?
Really? that's the lesson to be learnt here? There's a reason police brutality exists in the world, and it's because of attitudes like this.

Does not say he was handcuffed says he was restrained/incapacitated. Pepper spraying someone who is resisting is not police brutality:rolleyes:

Owen_S · 18-09-2013 08:47PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Why? Even if he was handcuffed he could still kick or bite.

Because pepper spraying him would prevent him for kicking and biting? :rolleyes:

SV · 18-09-2013 08:48PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Does not say he was handcuffed says he was restrained/incapacitated. Pepper spraying someone who is resisting is not police brutality:rolleyes:

Right then, incapacitated. It's the same bloody difference when it comes to pepper spraying someone in the face.

How. do. you. know. he. was. resisting?

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:49PM

Owen_S wrote: »

Because pepper spraying him would prevent him for kicking and biting? :rolleyes:

If you have ever been pepper sprayed you would know that you are too busy crying and snotting up all sorts to be worrying about anything else.

bumper234 · 18-09-2013 08:50PM

SV wrote: »

Right then, incapacitated. It's the same bloody difference when it comes to pepper spraying someone in the face.

How. do. you. know. he. was. resisting?

the. same. way. you. seem. to. know. he. wasn't!

Nodin · 18-09-2013 08:50PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Does not say he was handcuffed says he was restrained/incapacitated. Pepper spraying someone who is resisting is not police brutality:rolleyes:

....doesn't say he was restrained. It says feck all, in fact, save that he was "incapacitated" and points out the lack of details concerning that.

SV · 18-09-2013 08:52PM

bumper234 wrote: »

the. same. way. you. seem. to. know. he. wasn't!

I'm going by the details that are actually there, you're making stuff up to suit the argument.

It's like you have a hard time believing they wouldn't pepper spray him unless he was resisting so he MUST have been. I mean it's the only logical reason, right? :rolleyes:

humanji · 18-09-2013 09:03PM

Sorry, but this case is before the courts now, so we can't have discussion on it until it's over.

Garda charged for pepper spraying teen..

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