Washington shootings

Mr Benevolent · 16-09-2013 05:18PM

I am pie wrote: »

Why bother posting then? .....seriously.

Someone has to say it.

MadsL · 16-09-2013 05:18PM

I am pie wrote: »

Possibly another inside job? Contractors? Who knows...I am understanding it correctly that they killed the 2 that carried out the attack?

One dead, one in custody.

old hippy · 16-09-2013 05:19PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Some dead & injured people are a small price to pay for the freedom to bear arms & uphold good constitutionalism.

Fewer More lives would have been lost had everyone in DC been armed to the teeth.

Fixed it for you.

Eight Ball · 16-09-2013 05:19PM

Another day another mass shooting. It just goes over my head at this stage.

MadsL · 16-09-2013 05:20PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

Trust me, no shortage of people rushing to post 'Murica at every opportunity.

We don't read that and go "oh, the biting social commentary". We just facepalm.

I am pie · 16-09-2013 05:20PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

Someone has to tell us that you don't care about people getting shot in the US? I can't speak for everyone but I could have made it through the day without reading that you don't care.

Anyway, feel free to continue not caring and posting more about how you don't care. It's riveting.

AlanS181824 · 16-09-2013 05:21PM

Daily gun violence is a small price to pay for living in the land of the free(!)

spank_inferno · 16-09-2013 05:21PM

MadsL wrote: »

Poor effort. Try harder.

Our children will never be safe until all teachers have guns in the classroom.

More guns save lives!

old hippy · 16-09-2013 05:21PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

As has been pointed out to me in the past; people care because of our special relationship with the US. We have family/friends there. We rely on American tourism and investment. We consumer their culture (am not just talking about fast food, btw).

Is it a good thing that we care so much? Can't say. Personally, I wish the care was equally distributed around the world. But it isn't.

old hippy · 16-09-2013 05:22PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Our children will never be safe until all teachers have guns in the classroom.

More guns save lives!

Arm the pupils too.

Witcher · 16-09-2013 05:22PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

Someone had to say 'merika' and when they were called on it basically say 'well...well...I don't want to talk about it anyway' making it seem like someone forced them to comment:pac: It's like a child having a tantrum:pac:

I am pie · 16-09-2013 05:27PM

old hippy wrote: »

As has been pointed out to me in the past; people care because of our special relationship with the US. We have family/friends there. We rely on American tourism and investment. We consumer their culture (am not just talking about fast food, btw).

Is it a good thing that we care so much? Can't say. Personally, I wish the care was equally distributed around the world. But it isn't.

If it is a terrorist attack, then it will have a global impact.

I don't agree with US foreign policy nor would I be happy to subject myself to aggressive TSA policing, but you would be naive to think that if this is a terrorist attack it won't increase pressure from the hawks in terms of foreign policy, it comes at a very sensitive time in global diplomatic regions regarding the middle east and could have a significant impact on US patience in the region, whether rightly or wrongly.

Like it or not, it's relevant to all of us if it's a terrorist attack. If it's another gun + mental illness homocide then yes, it isn't as relevant.

MonaPizza · 16-09-2013 05:29PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's just being reported as a potential terrorist attack. Nothing confirmed or denied officially yet.

Anyway, attacks aren't judged to be terrorism related based solely on the target!

Terrorism is the deployment of violence against civilians to further a political agenda.
Ambushing an American convoy in Afghanistan is a legitimate tactic of resistance to military occupation.

Ah but sure everything in America is terrorism now and you can be banged up without trial if the prez says so. The definition is so damn vague and all encompassing that you can be sent to Guantanamo for dancing with a chick in a Turkish nightclub. You're a domestic terrorist if you go on any demonstration that might embarrass the govt or highlight something that they'd prefer to remain under wraps.

old hippy · 16-09-2013 05:30PM

I am pie wrote: »

If it is a terrorist attack, then it will have a global impact.

I don't agree with US foreign policy nor would I be happy to subject myself to aggressive TSA policing, but you would be naive to think that if this is a terrorist attack it won't increase pressure from the hawks in terms of foreign policy, it comes at a very sensitive time in global diplomatic regions regarding the middle east and could have a significant impact on US patience in the region, whether rightly or wrongly.

Like it or not, it's relevant to all of us if it's a terrorist attack. If it's another gun + mental illness homocide then yes, it isn't as relevant.

I reckon (although it's really too early) it's a disgruntled ex employee gone postal. If it is terrorism, it's a rather cynical attack during some very testing times.

danniemcq · 16-09-2013 05:31PM

Mr Benevolent if you don't care whats going on then you don't need to post in this thread.

Press Conference says there are 2 potential shooters that aren't located.

Both in military gear but not confirmed if they are military personal.

If the reports of assault rifles (rumored AR-15s) are true its likely that they are military issued as civilian ARs are single shot.

The cops radio are encrypted so can't listen to it but there is Washington DC Fire and EMS stream here http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/2455

MonaPizza · 16-09-2013 05:33PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Hopefully these two men do not have any links to the USA or they will have to possibly bomb themselves to get rid of all terrorists that could be harbored in that country.

You can just see the flunkies in Washington falling over themselves asking if these two can be linked in some way to Syria even if the two are a pair of flabby gingers from the arse-end of West Virginia.

16-09-2013 05:34PM

Can we just have a news thread for things like this? No discussion, nothing. Just the news. It's the same thread that has happened so many times before.

I am pie · 16-09-2013 05:34PM

Wasn't there some recent warning about an escalation of terror in the US from the usual suspects, it seems fairly plausible to try and force their hand to get involved in Syria or in the middle east in general? They want to drag the US military into another conflict without exit, even better if it worsens diplomatic relations with the Chinese and Russians.

My name is URL · 16-09-2013 05:36PM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Terrorism is the deployment of violence against civilians to further a political agenda.

Why bold the word civilians? Hundreds of civilians work in the base. A cop was also shot

danniemcq · 16-09-2013 05:39PM

Injured officer, not sure if new or earlier injury, they are trying to get an ambulance to him now

Muise... · 16-09-2013 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we just have a news thread for things like this? No discussion, nothing. Just the news. It's the same thread that has happened so many times before.

Seconded. We could call it the Yosemite Sam Megathread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUe_Pi8NfT4

danniemcq · 16-09-2013 05:47PM

Could be an hour before medical teams can enter the building

MadsL · 16-09-2013 05:50PM

Muise... wrote: »

Seconded. We could call it the Yosemite Sam Megathread.

Perhaps we could also have a single bash Amerika thread. Consisting of people posting 'Merika over and over and conspiracy theorists identifying false flags?

MonaPizza · 16-09-2013 05:50PM

old hippy wrote: »

As has been pointed out to me in the past; people care because of our special relationship with the US. We have family/friends there. We rely on American tourism and investment. We consumer their culture (am not just talking about fast food, btw).

Is it a good thing that we care so much? Can't say. Personally, I wish the care was equally distributed around the world. But it isn't.

Look, it's no secret that Americans feel they deserve special treatment over others. They feel that everyone should love them and worship them and want to be like them and when anyone expresses an alternate view they get all indignant and if someone expresses apathy or lack of interest they [Americans] bristle and trot out the "if it wasn't for us you'd be living in a labour camp or speaking German" or some crap.

And a lot of people go along with this fawning because they're afraid of being called "anti-American" if they don't.

ruthloss · 16-09-2013 05:51PM

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Meh, 'Merika.

Haters be nasty.

I am pie · 16-09-2013 05:51PM

Something in the BBC news about disgruntled 50 yr old former employee and two accomplices. Seems quick to have that info available. If there were 3 shooters then the casualty count could have been much higher.

danniemcq · 16-09-2013 05:54PM

odd, reading reports that building 197 (where the shooter is supposed to be) contains classified information.

Granted being a military base there are of course gonna be some secrets and its probably nothing

The Yard currently serves as a ceremonial and administrative center for the U.S. Navy, home to the Chief of Naval Operations, and is headquarters for the Naval Sea Systems Command, Naval Historical Center, the Department of Naval History, the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps, Naval Reactors, Marine Corps Institute, the United States Navy Band, and other more classified facilities.

from wiki

My name is URL · 16-09-2013 05:54PM

I am pie wrote: »

Something in the BBC news about disgruntled 50 yr old former employee and two accomplices. Seems quick to have that info available. If there were 3 shooters then the casualty count could have been much higher.

That seems very unlikely to me. How would that go?

"Hey guys, I've just lost my job and I'm kinda pissed about it.. will you two help me shoot up a military base?"

lol.. don't think so.

apollo8 · 16-09-2013 05:55PM

Maybe the cynicism in this thread is due to so many incidents like this that are quickly forgotten and no gun legislastion passed
Shame on America's gun laws

MadsL · 16-09-2013 05:55PM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Terrorism is the deployment of violence against civilians to further a political agenda.
Ambushing an American convoy in Afghanistan is a legitimate tactic of resistance to military occupation.

Civilian contractors on a US based Naval base also legitimate terrorist targets too?

Sounds like a CIRA press release.

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