Washington shootings

My name is URL

Surprised there's not a thread about this already.

http://news.sky.com/story/1142428/washington-navy-yard-shooting-several-dead

Multiple gunmen involved so it's not your run-of-the-mill disgruntled nutjob

Two gunmen have shot 12 people, killing four, in an attack at the US Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters in Washington, according to police sources.

The men, one dressed in military fatigues and one carrying an AR-15 rifle, launched their attack on one of the biggest naval command buildings in the US in the early morning rush as people arrived for work.

Police sources told the Washington Post that they were dealing with two gunmen, who had shot dead four people and injured eight, sparking fears that it could be a terrorist attack.

A navy spokesman has told Sky News that two gunmen had been "taken down".

Six schools in Washington have been put on lockdown.

Mr Benevolent

Meh, 'Merika.

MadsL

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Meh, 'Merika.

How do you even make that comment in this context?

Really?

Really?

Jimoslimos

How is attacking a naval base considered a "terrorist attack" now? A public place or civilians, yes, but this hardly fits that criteria.

A navy spokesman has told Sky News that two gunmen had been "taken down".

First thing that sprung to mind;

Mr Benevolent

MadsL wrote: »

How do you even make that comment in this context?

Really?

Really?

Really.

MadsL

Jimoslimos wrote: »

How is attacking a naval base considered a "terrorist attack" now? A public place or civilians, yes, but this hardly fits that criteria.

A bit of IRA style 'legitimate target' thinking, is that what you are arguing?

MadsL

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Really.

Do continue. I'm all ears to hear how this incident is a result of 'Murica thinking. Do you even know what the meme means?

spank_inferno

Freedom & constitutional rights have broken out across a naval yard in DC.


To say otherwise makes you a tree-hugging pinko commie?


...... Murica!!!

Grolschevik

Jimoslimos wrote: »

How is attacking a naval base considered a "terrorist attack" now? A public place or civilians, yes, but this hardly fits that criteria.

The definition of terrorism is hotly contested.

JONJO THE MISER

And here's Jimmy with the weather..........

Witcher

Initial reports said he had a doubled barrelled shotgun..how that can be confused with an AR15 I have no idea:pac:

My name is URL

Jimoslimos wrote: »

How is attacking a naval base considered a "terrorist attack" now? A public place or civilians, yes, but this hardly fits that criteria.

It's just being reported as a potential terrorist attack. Nothing confirmed or denied officially yet.

Anyway, attacks aren't judged to be terrorism related based solely on the target!

MadsL

Blay wrote: »

Initial reports said he had a doubled barrelled shotgun..how that can be confused with an AR15 I have no idea:pac:

Because every active shooter has an AR-15, even when they don't.

MadsL

spank_inferno wrote: »

Freedom & constitutional rights have broken out across a naval yard in DC.


To say otherwise makes you a tree-hugging pinko commie?


...... Murica!!!

Err. What?

Lando Griffin

Hopefully these two men do not have any links to the USA or they will have to possibly bomb themselves to get rid of all terrorists that could be harbored in that country.

Witcher

MadsL wrote: »

Because every active shooter has an AR-15, even when they don't.

I heard Sky News correspondents trying to grapple with the terminology earlier, they said an AR15 was an 'assault rifle', an 'assault style rifle' and 'similar to an AK47'.

andersat2

it's called - democracy in that country, they can do whenever they want, it's their right!

Jimoslimos

MadsL wrote: »

A bit of IRA style 'legitimate target' thinking, is that what you are arguing?

Careful now! It just annoys me to see the term bandied about meaninglessly, either through lazy reporting or scaremongering.

AlanS181824

Feckin' 'Muricans

Mr Benevolent

MadsL wrote: »

Do continue. I'm all ears to hear how this incident is a result of 'Murica thinking. Do you even know what the meme means?

It may shock you, but a lot of people, myself included, don't care what happens in America, land of freedom. It's not the center of the world. I'm still musing on the miracle that was the 4200 odd people being saved from the Costa Concordia without any evacuation plan back in 2012 and the raising of it today.

So there were more murders in America today then on an average day, Why should that bother me? Seriously?

spank_inferno

MadsL wrote: »

Err. What?

Some dead & injured people are a small price to pay for the freedom to bear arms & uphold good constitutionalism.

Fewer lives would have been lost had everyone in DC been armed to the teeth.

My name is URL

ehh.. I know it's asking a lot, but can we try to avoid the whole gun-debate in this thread?

There's literally dozens of those threads already.. and the same people arguing in almost all of them.

I am pie

Well aren't we the coolest kids in town, people shot dead and all we have to offer is a demonstration of our own prejudice.

MadsL

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Feckin' 'Muricans

You have a short memory.

I am pie

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

It may shock you, but a lot of people, myself included, don't care what happens in America, land of freedom. It's not the center of the world. I'm still musing on the miracle that was the 4200 odd people being saved from the Costa Concordia without any evacuation plan back in 2012 and the raising of it today.

So there were more murders in America today then on an average day, Why should that bother me? Seriously?

Why bother posting then? .....seriously.

beks101

Wondering how the hell these guys got into the Navy Yar, security would be pretty damn tight and you'd have needed a security pass to get in at the very least...

MadsL

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

It may shock you, but a lot of people, myself included, don't care what happens in America, land of freedom. It's not the center of the world. I'm still musing on the miracle that was the 4200 odd people being saved from the Costa Concordia without any evacuation plan back in 2012 and the raising of it today.

So there were more murders in America today then on an average day, Why should that bother me? Seriously?

And yet here you are posting on the thread. You don't do irony do you.

Muise...

My name is URL wrote: »

ehh.. I know it's asking a lot, but can we try to avoid the whole gun-debate in this thread?

There's literally dozens of those threads already.. and the same people arguing in almost all of them.

still, this contains them and makes them easier to avoid.

Witcher

My name is URL wrote: »

ehh.. I know it's asking a lot, but can we try to avoid the whole gun-debate in this thread?

There's literally dozens of those threads already.. and the same people arguing in almost all of them.

That's pretty much impossible given the nature of the incident. You'll have people coming in to play with the new terms they picked up on Sky News like 'assault style rifles'.

MadsL

spank_inferno wrote: »

Some dead & injured people are a small price to pay for the freedom to bear arms & uphold good constitutionalism.

Fewer lives would have been lost had everyone in DC been armed to the teeth.

Poor effort. Try harder.

I am pie

Possibly another inside job? Contractors? Who knows...I am understanding it correctly that they killed the 2 that carried out the attack?

Mr Benevolent

I am pie wrote: »

Why bother posting then? .....seriously.

Someone has to say it.

MadsL

I am pie wrote: »

Possibly another inside job? Contractors? Who knows...I am understanding it correctly that they killed the 2 that carried out the attack?

One dead, one in custody.

old hippy

spank_inferno wrote: »

Some dead & injured people are a small price to pay for the freedom to bear arms & uphold good constitutionalism.

Fewer More lives would have been lost had everyone in DC been armed to the teeth.

Fixed it for you.

Eight Ball

Another day another mass shooting. It just goes over my head at this stage.

MadsL

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

Trust me, no shortage of people rushing to post 'Murica at every opportunity.

We don't read that and go "oh, the biting social commentary". We just facepalm.

I am pie

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

Someone has to tell us that you don't care about people getting shot in the US? I can't speak for everyone but I could have made it through the day without reading that you don't care.

Anyway, feel free to continue not caring and posting more about how you don't care. It's riveting.

AlanS181824

Daily gun violence is a small price to pay for living in the land of the free(!)

spank_inferno

MadsL wrote: »

Poor effort. Try harder.

Our children will never be safe until all teachers have guns in the classroom.

More guns save lives!

old hippy

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

As has been pointed out to me in the past; people care because of our special relationship with the US. We have family/friends there. We rely on American tourism and investment. We consumer their culture (am not just talking about fast food, btw).

Is it a good thing that we care so much? Can't say. Personally, I wish the care was equally distributed around the world. But it isn't.

old hippy

spank_inferno wrote: »

Our children will never be safe until all teachers have guns in the classroom.

More guns save lives!

Arm the pupils too.

Witcher

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Someone has to say it.

Someone had to say 'merika' and when they were called on it basically say 'well...well...I don't want to talk about it anyway' making it seem like someone forced them to comment:pac: It's like a child having a tantrum:pac:

I am pie

old hippy wrote: »

As has been pointed out to me in the past; people care because of our special relationship with the US. We have family/friends there. We rely on American tourism and investment. We consumer their culture (am not just talking about fast food, btw).

Is it a good thing that we care so much? Can't say. Personally, I wish the care was equally distributed around the world. But it isn't.

If it is a terrorist attack, then it will have a global impact.

I don't agree with US foreign policy nor would I be happy to subject myself to aggressive TSA policing, but you would be naive to think that if this is a terrorist attack it won't increase pressure from the hawks in terms of foreign policy, it comes at a very sensitive time in global diplomatic regions regarding the middle east and could have a significant impact on US patience in the region, whether rightly or wrongly.

Like it or not, it's relevant to all of us if it's a terrorist attack. If it's another gun + mental illness homocide then yes, it isn't as relevant.

MonaPizza

My name is URL wrote: »

It's just being reported as a potential terrorist attack. Nothing confirmed or denied officially yet.

Anyway, attacks aren't judged to be terrorism related based solely on the target!

Terrorism is the deployment of violence against civilians to further a political agenda.
Ambushing an American convoy in Afghanistan is a legitimate tactic of resistance to military occupation.

Ah but sure everything in America is terrorism now and you can be banged up without trial if the prez says so. The definition is so damn vague and all encompassing that you can be sent to Guantanamo for dancing with a chick in a Turkish nightclub. You're a domestic terrorist if you go on any demonstration that might embarrass the govt or highlight something that they'd prefer to remain under wraps.

old hippy

I am pie wrote: »

If it is a terrorist attack, then it will have a global impact.

I don't agree with US foreign policy nor would I be happy to subject myself to aggressive TSA policing, but you would be naive to think that if this is a terrorist attack it won't increase pressure from the hawks in terms of foreign policy, it comes at a very sensitive time in global diplomatic regions regarding the middle east and could have a significant impact on US patience in the region, whether rightly or wrongly.

Like it or not, it's relevant to all of us if it's a terrorist attack. If it's another gun + mental illness homocide then yes, it isn't as relevant.

I reckon (although it's really too early) it's a disgruntled ex employee gone postal. If it is terrorism, it's a rather cynical attack during some very testing times.

danniemcq

Mr Benevolent if you don't care whats going on then you don't need to post in this thread.

Press Conference says there are 2 potential shooters that aren't located.

Both in military gear but not confirmed if they are military personal.

If the reports of assault rifles (rumored AR-15s) are true its likely that they are military issued as civilian ARs are single shot.

The cops radio are encrypted so can't listen to it but there is Washington DC Fire and EMS stream here http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/2455

MonaPizza

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Hopefully these two men do not have any links to the USA or they will have to possibly bomb themselves to get rid of all terrorists that could be harbored in that country.

You can just see the flunkies in Washington falling over themselves asking if these two can be linked in some way to Syria even if the two are a pair of flabby gingers from the arse-end of West Virginia.

Can we just have a news thread for things like this? No discussion, nothing. Just the news. It's the same thread that has happened so many times before.

I am pie

Wasn't there some recent warning about an escalation of terror in the US from the usual suspects, it seems fairly plausible to try and force their hand to get involved in Syria or in the middle east in general? They want to drag the US military into another conflict without exit, even better if it worsens diplomatic relations with the Chinese and Russians.

My name is URL

MonaPizza wrote: »

Terrorism is the deployment of violence against civilians to further a political agenda.

Why bold the word civilians? Hundreds of civilians work in the base. A cop was also shot

danniemcq

Injured officer, not sure if new or earlier injury, they are trying to get an ambulance to him now