Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

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darced wrote: »

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Like I said, same height as Carra.
Bags more pace and strength.

It's actually nice to see these debates pop up r.e Wisdom V Kelly remember the days when we had fck all prospects coming through from the youth system bar the likes of Zac Whitbread and Stephen Darby.

darced wrote: »

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Someone should have told Cannavaro that, he probably would not have wasted his career trying to make it as a defender if he knew he was too short.:D

Kess73 wrote: »

Kelly was 20 at the start of the 10/11 season and was 21 before it was over. Wisdom is 20 now going into the start of the 13/14 season and will be 21 just before it ends, so we cannot compare Kelly's 20/21 season to that of Wisdom because Wisdom is only be having his 20/21 season now.


Fair enough you rate Kelly more than Wisdom age for age, but I rate Wisdom more than Kelly age for age to date. You are basing your opinion on whatever you have seen of each player and I am doing likewise.


As for Degan and Dossena. Well that is down to Rafa picking them over Kelly. Maybe Rafa thought Kelly was not quite ready at that time, because I sure as hell would not buy into a theory suggesting that Rafa Benitez of all men would play players simply to justify their wages.

Forget the age thing, its splitting hairs. Im pretty sure i did say that if Wisdom goes on to have a few man of the match performances and gets a call up to the senior squad in the next 12 months he will have done the same as what Kelly did in 10/11.

It's not about Benitez (although i think he may have saw that he needed more seniors to get the club into CL), its about the fact that the club was not in the place it is now. We used to bring in old players, we dont do that anymore, therefore younger players are getting more time now. Players like Sterling, Ibe and Wisdom wouldnt have got as many games if they came through 3 years ago. Kelly would have got far more games if we were not doing this. Pointing to these young players having more games than Kelly isnt a reflection on Kelly imo, its a reflection on a shift at the club. If we didnt bring in Cissokho etc and Robinson got more games instead, it wouldnt be that Robinson was deserving, if you see the point.

Im not putting down Wisdom at all, i like Wisdom. I just dont see this correlation between getting more games and being better. We have just totally scaled down as a club so that more younger players get more of a chance. If we were still buying Degen types and picking them would it be a reflection on Wisdom?, no, and it wasnt for Kelly either imo. But it put more in front of Kelly to get games. Perhaps this strategy is exactly the reason why Brendan was brought in and not a more seasoned manager who may have wanted to fill gaps, which in turn may have prevented players like Wisdom getting games.

5starpool wrote: »

Amazing how few of them are at the club this season.

If Skrtel had gone, as suspected, and Johnson wasn't injured (mean Wisdom on loan), only Henderson would remain!!

Dickerty wrote: »

If Skrtel had gone, as suspected, and Johnson wasn't injured (mean Wisdom on loan), only Henderson would remain!!

Wasnt that photo around the time he was off to Fulham?.

Actually, forget i brought this up, i dont have time for an internet brawl today :pac:

6 Days to go till we beat Swansea

Roll on the weekend (well Monday for us) when all the mickey mouse internationals are done for a bit.


Am curious to see how Rodgers lines the team up against Swansea. Generally I would be behind the idea of leaving a winning team unchanged (save for injuries of course) but we have a few new players in since the last game.


Sakho, imo, has to play and start getting used to his new team. Just a matter of deciding if he starts at LCB or RCB (or maybe Rodgers is going to go either 3-4-3 or 5-3-2)

Moses I would put on the bench and I would keep Henderson in the starting line up. Moses would off a fast strong direct option from the bench, and Henderson has earned another lash at a starting line up. Part of me thinks that Rodgers might start Allen though, and use the midfielder against the club he used to play for.

Johnson is out, so would go with Wisdom at RB as Kelly is not meant to be fully up to speed yet.

Will be an interesting game though as Swansea will want to improve on their stuttering start to the new season, and they certainly will not want to lose against a team being led by their old gaffer.

We will of course want to continue our winning ways, and I am sure that Rodgers will want to get a W over his old club almost as much as he wants the three points.

Have a sneaking suspicion that if Toure is fully fit, that we might see a system incorporating three centre backs with wing backs providing the main width. The question for me would be (assuming we going with that sort of set up at the back) whether we go with a 2-3 (two CMs, two wide/inverted attackers, and a Striker) and or a 3-2 ( Two CMs, an AM, and two forwards) for our midfield and attacking options.

billy2012 wrote: »

Would you play Lucas if we were playing with 3 the back or have Hendo / Allen play in the center with Gerrard?

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If Lucas did not play it would have to be because he was injured or we had a better player to play in his place. Allen and Henderson are not better players than Lucas (especially for the role Lucas performs for the team), so Lucas would start over those two every time for me.

Kess73 wrote: »

Roll on the weekend (well Monday for us) when all the mickey mouse internationals are done for a bit.


Am curious to see how Rodgers lines the team up against Swansea. Generally I would be behind the idea of leaving a winning team unchanged (save for injuries of course) but we have a few new players in since the last game.


Sakho, imo, has to play and start getting used to his new team. Just a matter of deciding if he starts at LCB or RCB (or maybe Rodgers is going to go either 3-4-3 or 5-3-2)

Moses I would put on the bench and I would keep Henderson in the starting line up. Moses would off a fast strong direct option from the bench, and Henderson has earned another lash at a starting line up. Part of me thinks that Rodgers might start Allen though, and use the midfielder against the club he used to play for.

Johnson is out, so would go with Wisdom at RB as Kelly is not meant to be fully up to speed yet.

Will be an interesting game though as Swansea will want to improve on their stuttering start to the new season, and they certainly will not want to lose against a team being led by their old gaffer.

We will of course want to continue our winning ways, and I am sure that Rodgers will want to get a W over his old club almost as much as he wants the three points.

Have a sneaking suspicion that if Toure is fully fit, that we might see a system incorporating three centre backs with wing backs providing the main width. The question for me would be (assuming we going with that sort of set up at the back) whether we go with a 2-3 (two CMs, two wide/inverted attackers, and a Striker) and or a 3-2 ( Two CMs, an AM, and two forwards) for our midfield and attacking options.

I dont think you could play Sakho at RCB if hes not used to the position (especially when with a new club) so 3CBs makes more sense to me...Toure/Skrtel Sakho and Agger.....although after the Utd game it would be hard to change Skrtel. I would fear that the movement of Swansea would cause him more trouble than most so Toure for me (if fit).

Mignolet

Toure
Sakho
Agger

Wisdom
Gerrard
Lucas
Henderson
Enrique

Coutinho
Sturridge

Would have no problems with this either:

Mignolet

Wisdom
Toure
Agger
Enrique

Lucas
Gerrard
Henderson

Aspas
Sturridge
Coutinho

I dont think resting international players should be a factor either....6 days after international matches should be enough recovery time

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

I dont think you could play Sakho at RCB if hes not used to the position (especially when with a new club) so 3CBs makes more sense to me...Toure/Skrtel Sakho and Agger.....although after the Utd game it would be hard to change Skrtel. I would fear that the movement of Swansea would cause him more trouble than most so Toure for me (if fit).

Mignolet

Toure
Sakho
Agger

Wisdom
Gerrard
Lucas
Henderson
Enrique

Coutinho
Sturridge

Would have no problems with this either:

Mignolet

Wisdom
Toure
Agger
Enrique

Lucas
Gerrard
Henderson

Aspas
Sturridge
Coutinho

I dont think resting international players should be a factor either....6 days after international matches should be enough recovery time

The thing about Sakho is that if he was brought in to play at RCB, then we cannot put off playing him in the role. He had no pre season with us thanks to being bought so late, and the longer we put off playing him there, the longer it takes him to adjust to his new teammates/new position.

Him at the centre of a back three makes a lot of sense though. He is a vocal organiser, he is one that will lead a back line during a tough game, and his strength, tackling and aerial ability make him the obvious choice to be the middle CB.

Another factor, if we went with three CBs, is that we might not use Henderson's chasing around style of play if we have an extra defender at the back. We could have Gerrard and Lucas as the CMs sitting in front of the three CBs and we could have Coutinho in the AM role ahead of them with Sturridge and Aspas ahead of him, or we could have the same CM pairing but with Coutinho, Sturridge and one of Moses or Aspas as our front three.

Then when Suarez comes back he just takes the slot held by Aspas/Moses.