Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

Agueroooo · 09-09-2013 08:42PM

Carroll is out for a further 3 months with a reoccuring injury.

Extra thanks going in Big Sams christmas card.

michael999999 · 09-09-2013 08:45PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Carroll is out for a further 3 months with a reoccuring injury.

Extra thanks going in Big Sams christmas card.

I actually feel sorry for Andy. He's had no luck since leaving Newcastle.

Agueroooo · 09-09-2013 08:51PM

michael999999 wrote: »

I actually feel sorry for Andy. He's had no luck since leaving Newcastle.

Yea.have to agree. That purple patch he had for us during the cup run seems an age ago.

mike65 · 09-09-2013 08:52PM

Christ, poor fella. The Hammers had to get whathisface back in on loan didn't they. He'll be starting most games!

Hammer Archer · 09-09-2013 08:56PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Carroll is out for a further 3 months with a reoccuring injury.

Extra thanks going in Big Sams christmas card.

I think we're in big trouble without him to be honest. Cannot understand why we shelled out on him if his injury could be that bad.

mike65 wrote: »

Christ, poor fella. The Hammers had to get whathisface back in on loan didn't they. He'll be starting most games!

Presume you mean Carlton Cole. We attempted to get him back but by all accounts he's let himself go over the summer without a club so wasn't anywhere close to being match fit.

woodyg · 09-09-2013 09:02PM

michael999999 wrote: »

I actually feel sorry for Andy. He's had no luck since leaving Newcastle.

professional footballer not living like a professional footballer and ends up unfit and injury prone
hard to feel sorry for him.
the man likes the trappings of being a pro player a bit too much

YouTookMyName · 09-09-2013 09:23PM

michael999999 wrote: »

I actually feel sorry for Andy. He's had no luck since leaving Newcastle.

No Andy it's not cough syrup.....

Francie Barrett · 09-09-2013 09:26PM

woodyg wrote: »

professional footballer not living like a professional footballer and ends up unfit and injury prone
hard to feel sorry for him.
the man likes the trappings of being a pro player a bit too much

Yea, because he has really let himself go over the Summer.

Daemonic · 09-09-2013 09:29PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Yea, because he has really let himself go over the Summer.

Thats just some pre-dancefloor limbering up.... ah ah ah ah stayin alive, stayin alive

Turtyturd · 09-09-2013 09:39PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Yea.have to agree. That purple patch he had for us during the cup run seems an age ago.

Can this myth be put to death?

45 minutes is not a purple patch.

YouTookMyName · 09-09-2013 09:46PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Can this myth be put to death?

45 minutes is not a purple patch.

Mauve patch?

MD1990 · 09-09-2013 09:49PM

woodyg wrote: »

professional footballer not living like a professional footballer and ends up unfit and injury prone
hard to feel sorry for him.
the man likes the trappings of being a pro player a bit too much

that has nothing to do with the injury he has
he has a chronic heel/foot injury that is very hard to get rid of

~Rebel~ · 09-09-2013 09:49PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Can this myth be put to death?

45 minutes is not a purple patch.

As far as his time with us is concerned though, it was a purple patch...4 goals in 6 FA cup games, compared to 4 goals in 35 games in the league in the same season.

Expectation was low enough with his league performances that 4 in 6 in the cup was a serious upturn.

Turtyturd · 09-09-2013 09:56PM

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Mauve patch?

A little less brown is as far as I am willing to go.

djPSB · 09-09-2013 10:01PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Yea, because he has really let himself go over the Summer.

How did you know this photo existed?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2013 10:12PM

YouTookMyName wrote: »

No Andy it's not cough syrup.....

Oh yes it ****ing is - have you ever tasted the stuff...??

K-9 · 09-09-2013 10:26PM

Wisdom was talked of as an option at CB in the likely event of Skrtel going, Sakho, Toure and Ilori signed, in other words 4/5th choice. Kelly wasn't talked about too much as he'd had 2 1/2 seasons of mostly being injured.

I don't know what Wisdom did wrong last season to rate him lower than Kelly, not the most exciting attacking wise but neither was he. He drifted a bit too much centrally the odd time, but that was to be expected for a CB, didn't see much else wrong with his defensive game and that was with us weak enough at times CB wise and Lucas either out, or not near his best.

darced · 09-09-2013 10:34PM

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Grayditch · 09-09-2013 10:38PM

Wisdom CB against Celtic. The stuff of nightmares.

Sir Gallagher · 09-09-2013 10:41PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Wisdom CB against Celtic. The stuff of nightmares.

A pre-season game..really?

Raif Severance · 09-09-2013 10:49PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Wisdom CB against Celtic. The stuff of nightmares.

In his defense, Wisdom's Nightmares happened when he was used as a LCB. A Position he doesn't have much Experience for.

klose · 09-09-2013 10:51PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Wisdom CB against Celtic. The stuff of nightmares.

The only way hell learn to play cb is to play and make mistakes to learn from em, im sure its the story with most young lads playing in central defence

Grayditch · 09-09-2013 11:20PM

I'm not exactly heartbroken over that Celtic game, like, he just looked very out of his depth. Loan him out to be played at CB?

Kess73 · 09-09-2013 11:33PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Doesnt matter what position it was on the pitch, there are no hiding places in a team that seeks cl football. I dont believe he is ready.

I never thought Kelly was a CB either, i still dont, he may migrate there later like Carra did.

I brought up 10/11 because you were making a point of Wisdom being 20 yrs old. In 10/11 Kelly was 20 years old. So in the interests of balance i brought up some things that happened re Kelly when he was Wisdom's age. If he goes on to make some man of the match performances and get a senior call up to England i will happily take back the point about him not making as much progress as Kelly at the same age.

Wisdom is only ahead of Kelly right now in terms of games at the age of 20 (imo) because now we dont bring in poor players like Degen/Dossena to take game time away from our better younger players. Kelly would have got far more games if the wages of those two players didnt have to be justified by selection imo. Degen got picked (not often i know) before Kelly. Dossena was so awful and still got picked but it was only when he left and Johnson moved over that Kelly got his chance. I dont think Wisdom having played a handful more games or Kelly playing a few less is a reflection of what im getting to get at here. Which in essence is quite simple, i rate Kelly higher than Wisdom, at any age.

Kelly was 20 at the start of the 10/11 season and was 21 before it was over. Wisdom is 20 now going into the start of the 13/14 season and will be 21 just before it ends, so we cannot compare Kelly's 20/21 season to that of Wisdom because Wisdom is only be having his 20/21 season now.

Fair enough you rate Kelly more than Wisdom age for age, but I rate Wisdom more than Kelly age for age to date. You are basing your opinion on whatever you have seen of each player and I am doing likewise.

As for Degan and Dossena. Well that is down to Rafa picking them over Kelly. Maybe Rafa thought Kelly was not quite ready at that time, because I sure as hell would not buy into a theory suggesting that Rafa Benitez of all men would play players simply to justify their wages.

Gbear · 09-09-2013 11:58PM

darced wrote: »

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Wisdom is the same height as Carra, isn't he?

Also, he's an absolute beast.

Kess73 · 10-09-2013 12:05AM

Gbear wrote: »

Wisdom is the same height as Carra, isn't he?

Also, he's an absolute beast.

He is six foot one inch.

Same height as Carragher. An inch taller than Toure and an inch shorter than Sakho. Two inches shorter than Kelly, Agger, and Skrtel according to wiki. Too lazy to get the heights of the rest of our back line.

whatawaster · 10-09-2013 12:06AM

Grayditch wrote: »

Wisdom CB against Celtic. The stuff of nightmares.

Agger had half a dozen of those against similar physical strikers last season.

It wasn't nearly that bad either.

MD1990 · 10-09-2013 12:14AM

Wisdon is a terrific talent
id rate him higher than Kelly
quicker,stronger & is a natural born leader

opr · 10-09-2013 12:30AM

Posted already? :P

Opr

Kerrigooney · 10-09-2013 12:41AM

^^^it was but no harm posting it again cos it's a doozy.

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