Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

This would be good, might even change my username if that happens!!

Cartman78 wrote: »

A work colleague of mine refers to Wisdom as a modern-day Gus Caesar ....bit harsh imho.

Presumably, he will be able to learn & improve his passing,crossing,attacking as he gets older and could be a really solid right back if handled correctly. Could be the new Steve Nicol

The usual mix of brilliance and sickening antics from Suarez there. Will only miss one of those two things when he's gone.

Kess73 wrote: »

He is easily where Kelly was in terms of technique and development at the same age, is probably quite a bit beyond the same point actually. Kelly is a player I rate but Wisdom last season was a far better player than Kelly was at 19.

As for Wisdom getting nosebleeds once he crosses the halfway line, well I can remember many people, myself included, thinking that about Kelly three or four years ago when he was somewhat prone to running down blind alleys once he got into the other team's half.

Wisdom only turned 20 a few months back. If he stays injury free I would have great hopes for him being a far more rounded player in three years time when he is the same age as Kelly is now.


Am quite happy to have both around if Johnson is out for a long spell though, as would not be upset to see either filling in at right back for an extended period.

I don't agree. I think i will be proved right in time.

People on this forum were saying a couple of months ago Wisdom was ready to step up. He wasnt, and isnt, and his games against Celtic and Notts County proved this for me beyond any doubt. The lad needs to be loaned imo (Johnsons injury changes the situation but thats by default). I think there is a false sense of progression to how it used to be as we have more young players getting games and no older players wanted or needed now.

More than 2 years ago Capello singled out Kelly for praise after an Arsenal game. Not long after Kelly was in the England senior squad (im pretty sure he got a man of the match for us in a few games around this time), then he got injured and out for the year. Pretty awful timing for the player.

Sure, Wisdom is only 20, but i think to say he had similar or better impact to what Kelly achieved in 10/11 for example is one i will never agree with. Although i hope he does if he comes in now.

I think that Kelly will be doing well to forge a decent career in the game due to his woeful injury record.

klose wrote: »

Hes had to adapt his running style i read as thats whats caused his last injury, damn shame his luck with injuries. Think wisdom will get the nod v swansea at least as its about a year since kelly played a competitive senior game. Its quite nice knowing though johnsons injury wont affect us much at atall as wisdom/kelly are ample replacements.

Some injuries might be gait related but not a ruptured cruciate, that would be the result of a trauma 'event'.

What has it been like, a month since we played? MOAR LIVERPOOLING.

daithijjj wrote: »

I don't agree. I think i will be proved right in time.

People on this forum were saying a couple of months ago Wisdom was ready to step up. He wasnt, and isnt, and his games against Celtic and Notts County proved this for me beyond any doubt. The lad needs to be loaned imo (Johnsons injury changes the situation but thats by default). I think there is a false sense of progression to how it used to be as we have more young players getting games and no older players wanted or needed now.

More than 2 years ago Capello singled out Kelly for praise after an Arsenal game. Not long after Kelly was in the England senior squad (im pretty sure he got a man of the match for us in a few games around this time), then he got injured and out for the year. Pretty awful timing for the player.

Sure, Wisdom is only 20, but i think to say he had similar or better impact to what Kelly achieved in 10/11 for example is one i will never agree with. Although i hope he does if he comes in now.

And those people were talking about him playing at centre back a position he never played in for the first team until the Celtic game.

Plenty on here talked a lot about how Kelly was the future at centre back as well despite him having no experience of note at senior level in that role.

But then again I did not once mention Wisdom at centre back earlier today. I am talking about him at right back and he most certainly stepped up in that role last season. Anyone that thinks he did not step up and do very well last season for a 19yo player getting his first real sniff of first team football was not watching the games.


Not sure why you are going on about the 10/11 season as some kind of benchmark for comparing Kelly and Wisdom when I was comparing them at the same age as this season is the one where Wisdom will be the same age as Kelly was in the 10/11 season so unless you have a time machine your statement is nothing more than a hunch or guess to be fair. When Kelly was the same age as Wisdom was last season he only had 3 first team appearance all season, and it was not until the following season, which is the 10/11 season, that he had his 23 appearance season.


I think Kelly may turn out to be a very good full back, but at 23 years of age he needs to start getting sustained runs in the first team and staying injury free, otherwise we will be sitting down in the latter stages of this season talking about a 24 year old player who might be very good if he gets games.

I appreciate the exact same applies to Wisdom in terms of what he needs to develop further, but at three years younger than Kelly he is ahead of where Kelly was with regards to the first team at the same age, and looks far less injury prone than Kelly which could prove to be the deciding factor in seeing which of them gets the RB slot when Johnson is out.

Kess73 wrote: »

And those people were talking about him playing at centre back a position he never played in for the first team until the Celtic game.

Plenty on here talked a lot about how Kelly was the future at centre back as well despite him having no experience of note at senior level in that role.

But then again I did not once mention Wisdom at centre back earlier today. I am talking about him at right back and he most certainly stepped up in that role last season. Anyone that thinks he did not step up and do very well last season for a 19yo player getting his first real sniff of first team football was not watching the games.


Not sure why you are going on about the 10/11 season as some kind of benchmark for comparing Kelly and Wisdom when I was comparing them at the same age as this season is the one where Wisdom will be the same age as Kelly was in the 10/11 season so unless you have a time machine your statement is nothing more than a hunch or guess to be fair. When Kelly was the same age as Wisdom was last season he only had 3 first team appearance all season, and it was not until the following season, which is the 10/11 season, that he had his 23 appearance season.


I think Kelly may turn out to be a very good full back, but at 23 years of age he needs to start getting sustained runs in the first team and staying injury free, otherwise we will be sitting down in the latter stages of this season talking about a 24 year old player who might be very good if he gets games.

I appreciate the exact same applies to Wisdom in terms of what he needs to develop further, but at three years younger than Kelly he is ahead of where Kelly was with regards to the first team at the same age, and looks far less injury prone than Kelly which could prove to be the deciding factor in seeing which of them gets the RB slot when Johnson is out.

Second half of the Preston match he came on and played RCB.
60 mins in against Indonesia XI he came on and played RCB.
Started against Melbourne at CB.
Started at CB against Valerenga.

He also plays CB for England. (I think)

Kess73 wrote: »

And those people were talking about him playing at centre back a position he never played in for the first team until the Celtic game.

Plenty on here talked a lot about how Kelly was the future at centre back as well despite him having no experience of note at senior level in that role.

But then again I did not once mention Wisdom at centre back earlier today. I am talking about him at right back and he most certainly stepped up in that role last season. Anyone that thinks he did not step up and do very well last season for a 19yo player getting his first real sniff of first team football was not watching the games.


Not sure why you are going on about the 10/11 season as some kind of benchmark for comparing Kelly and Wisdom when I was comparing them at the same age as this season is the one where Wisdom will be the same age as Kelly was in the 10/11 season so unless you have a time machine your statement is nothing more than a hunch or guess to be fair. When Kelly was the same age as Wisdom was last season he only had 3 first team appearance all season, and it was not until the following season, which is the 10/11 season, that he had his 23 appearance season.


I think Kelly may turn out to be a very good full back, but at 23 years of age he needs to start getting sustained runs in the first team and staying injury free, otherwise we will be sitting down in the latter stages of this season talking about a 24 year old player who might be very good if he gets games.

I appreciate the exact same applies to Wisdom in terms of what he needs to develop further, but at three years younger than Kelly he is ahead of where Kelly was with regards to the first team at the same age, and looks far less injury prone than Kelly which could prove to be the deciding factor in seeing which of them gets the RB slot when Johnson is out.

Doesnt matter what position it was on the pitch, there are no hiding places in a team that seeks cl football. I dont believe he is ready.

I never thought Kelly was a CB either, i still dont, he may migrate there later like Carra did.

I brought up 10/11 because you were making a point of Wisdom being 20 yrs old. In 10/11 Kelly was 20 years old. So in the interests of balance i brought up some things that happened re Kelly when he was Wisdom's age. If he goes on to make some man of the match performances and get a senior call up to England i will happily take back the point about him not making as much progress as Kelly at the same age.

Wisdom is only ahead of Kelly right now in terms of games at the age of 20 (imo) because now we dont bring in poor players like Degen/Dossena to take game time away from our better younger players. Kelly would have got far more games if the wages of those two players didnt have to be justified by selection imo. Degen got picked (not often i know) before Kelly. Dossena was so awful and still got picked but it was only when he left and Johnson moved over that Kelly got his chance. I dont think Wisdom having played a handful more games or Kelly playing a few less is a reflection of what im getting to get at here. Which in essence is quite simple, i rate Kelly higher than Wisdom, at any age.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Loads of people thought Suarez was a goner, gooner

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SM01 wrote: »

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I don't think anyone outside the arsenal thread thought that. :pac:

And on the red cards against United , even though they were deserved I am glad it didn't happen because it would have given them an excuse for why they lost......as usual.