jon venables out again?

Galwayguy35 · 04-09-2013 07:16AM

I remember it well when it happened, there has to be something seriously wrong when a 10 year old kid does to a toddler what they did to Jamie.

I don't get how people can decide afer x number of years that they are safe to be realised into society.

There is no way of knowing that either him or Thompson won't do it again.

AtomicHorror · 04-09-2013 08:19AM

RayM wrote: »

He will almost certainly be one of the most closely monitored sex-offenders in Britain - for other people's safety and for his own. Yes, it's common knowledge that possessing child porn is (and this is understating it somewhat) "bad", but should that offence carry a life sentence? Some people think so. Should he have originally been jailed for a crime committed when he was ten years old? In other countries, children who carried out similar crimes have been rehabilitated without being tried as adults and sent to jail. Who knows how he would have turned out if the focus had been solely on rehabilitating those two children, rather than on pacifying the angry, tabloid-reading, pitchfork-wielding elements of the British public.

Yes. The whole purpose of these big, slow "bureaucratic" mechanisms is to help us circumvent our worse nature. When someone kills a child we don't think straight. We want to kill the perpetrator, even if we haven't quite figured out who that is. When we do find them, we want to skip rehabilitation in favour of locking them up and throwing away the key, even though that means we will have to release an un-rehabilitated child murderer at some point in the future.

Now those same kinds of people want to re-imprison someone who has served their sentence, based on the possibility of future crimes. Have they any idea what that would mean? I don't want to live in that world. Nobody should, because it's dangerous to all of us.

Teyla Emmagan · 04-09-2013 08:24AM

I would think that for his own well-being he would be better off in some sort of low security placement. Something to let him come and go but give him structure and support. I think he's self destructive and afraid of being outside. The British state have already spent a small fortune on him, locking him up and throwing awake the key is not only illegal, it's too expensive and also unwarranted IMO.

Sunglasses Ron · 04-09-2013 08:40AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Is the other fella, Thompson still in prison?

You wouldn't hear about him at all.

I remember some years back some Scouser fella living in Ireland (possibly Waterford from memory) was jailed for some very violent assault / stabbing a woman, and claimed in court he was one of the Bulger killers. He was roughly the same age as the lads.

Not sure if anything ever came of that mind, the authorities denied it anyway.

downonthefarm · 04-09-2013 12:12PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I... think you underestimate forensics and such. Either that or overestimate yourself, given that you'd have implicated yourself in public here to begin with. Anyone who murders this guy is getting caught straight away. You'd want to go under the pseudonym Heisenberg to have a chance at escaping it.

What I don't get is how he has not been institutionalised at this point - it's clear he was a deranged kid who has turned into a perhaps even more deranged adult, with a f***ed up life from the get go. There's no way he'll ever be anything resembling normal at this point.

well obviously i wont do it,but plenty of people would,when the mob mentality takes over common sense goes out the window.
why doesn't he do the mother a favoutr and hang himself.he is no good to the human race

Hoop66 · 04-09-2013 12:23PM

LOL at the "I'd kill him myself" brigade. How would you kill him? Would you perhaps torture him first?

If you've that amount of rage and bloodlust, you really need to take a look at yourself.

Holsten · 04-09-2013 01:41PM

Some of the replies in this thread are insane.... people want to live back in the middle ages!

He's finished his sentence, he is a free man. He'll be monitored by the police... let him get on with it.

If he re-offends he'll be arrested again, you can't punish him for what he might do.

Super-Rush · 04-09-2013 01:45PM

Holsten wrote: »

Some of the replies in this thread are insane.... people want to live back in the middle ages!

He's finished his sentence, he is a free man. He'll be monitored by the police... let him get on with it.

If he re-offends he'll be arrested again, you can't punish him for what he might do.

You mean if he re-offends again.

Sleepy · 04-09-2013 01:46PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He was released in 2001. He hasn't resurfaced since, in contrast to Venables he never expressed any remorse while in custody.

That scare anyone else?

Mr.McLovin · 04-09-2013 01:49PM

Sleepy wrote: »

That scare anyone else?

what really scares me is that these kids/people have been trained extensively to evade detection and to deceive people in order to keep their identities hidden, seems a useful tool for a child killer/paedophile

Galwayguy35 · 04-09-2013 01:50PM

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't either Jamies mother or was it his father find out where one of them were at some stage?

username_x · 04-09-2013 01:51PM

Done a case study on him in college, if you go by past criminals who were jailed for the same thing, the way he acted in prison, his life story etc., the chances of him reoffending again were quite high.

However, I do agree that you can't punish him just incase he does. He should be tagged and to be honest I think witness protection is too good for him.

Galwayguy35 · 04-09-2013 01:53PM

Sleepy wrote: »

That scare anyone else?

Yeah beacuse from what I remember about the case it seems he was the more active participant in what they did.

Holsten · 04-09-2013 01:58PM

username_x wrote: »

However, I do agree that you can't punish him just incase he does. He should be tagged and to be honest I think witness protection is too good for him.

What use does tagging actually do? Nothing! It does not and can not prevent anyone from committing a crime, waste of time and money.

As a sex offender he will be monitored closely by his local police anyway.

Amirani · 04-09-2013 01:59PM

Big Steve wrote: »

I think that crimes of this nature should most definitely get a life sentence. And life meaning life (till the day you die) not 25 years or what ever the "going rate" is in Ireland.

Life imprisonment for first-time sex offenders makes no sense whatsoever.

username_x · 04-09-2013 02:00PM

Holsten wrote: »

What use does tagging actually do? Nothing! It does not and can not prevent anyone from committing a crime, waste of time and money.

As a sex offender he will be monitored closely by his local police anyway.

Doesn't prevent anyone from committing a crime but does prevent them from getting away with it.

username_x · 04-09-2013 02:02PM

I don't believe any of this "done the time" stuff either. The only people doing the time are Bulgers parents!!!!

anncoates · 04-09-2013 02:05PM

Maybe I'm being unfair but I can't bring myself to believe that somebody can do something like that and be 'cured' fully.

Maybe milder incidents but torture and abuse to that extent?

How Soon Is Now · 04-09-2013 02:10PM

What use is he to anyone at this stage? He never had and never will have a normal life.

Let him out with the intention of someone or a group of people figuring out who he is and he will be dealt with.

Do everyone a favor.

Always annoys me in situations like this how people can commit crimes like this and be allowed back in society with new faces and names so they can get on with there lifes......

Unfortunately the lifes they screwed up in the first place cant be fixed.

Imagine having to live with the taughts of your child being tortured and murdered for no ****ing reason other then some crazy bastards got a kick out of it.

Those two ***** should of been left in the middle of the streets of England instead of been housed and ''reformed'' wasting good money and time.

sunflower27 · 04-09-2013 02:17PM

He shouldn't be allowed out in society.Period.

What he did as a child and what he has done subsequently is proof of this. This is going to end badly. Like that story of little Sarah Payne who was murdered by a man who had previous convictions for sex offences on a child.

My name is URL · 04-09-2013 02:37PM

The fcuker would prefer to remain in prison. Isn't it widely believed that he purposely downloaded child porn to get sent back last time? He knew that his actions were being monitored.. it's not just a happy coincidence that police happened to find the stuff.

He's completely and utterly institutionalised and dependent on others at this stage. It's all well and good saying that he should be locked up indefinitely, but that can't happen without good reason, and teams of people; a lot more qualified than us have decided that such reason is non-existent here.

RayM · 04-09-2013 02:46PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

He shouldn't be allowed out in society.Period.

What he did as a child and what he has done subsequently is proof of this. This is going to end badly. Like that story of little Sarah Payne who was murdered by a man who had previous convictions for sex offences on a child.

He should never have been jailed for something he did when he was 10-years-old.

fedor.2. · 04-09-2013 02:53PM

RayM wrote: »

He should never have been jailed for something he did when he was 10-years-old.

I really have underestimated the amount of idiots around these days

Paddy Cow · 04-09-2013 02:57PM

RayM wrote: »

He should never have been jailed for something he did when he was 10-years-old.

He wasn't jailed for stealing sweets out of a shop. The "something" he did was horrific.

Beefy78 · 04-09-2013 02:57PM

It's a tough one. As others have said it was always said to have been Thompson who was the ring-leader with Venables very much under his spell. Venables was remorseful, Thompson was not and upon release Venables couldn't hold it together and ended up self-destructing whereas Thompson has not only stayed below the radar but by all accounts seems to have moved on completely with his life.

They committed a horrific crime but they've served their time and it's not for the mob to hand out justice.

username_x · 04-09-2013 03:04PM

I'd love to know how two children can have the mentality to do something like that.

kylith · 04-09-2013 03:05PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

You're joking, right?
Guy murders a child, gets out and then gets caught with child porn. I think it's safe to say that most people wouldn't leave him around kids.

Well, it's not like anyone's going to give him a job in a creche, or are you suggesting he's going to start murdering toddlers in the street?

emo72 wrote: »

I think I would tend to leave him alone. But something tells me he will do something to get himself sent back in. This guy seems to have a compulsion to mess his life up. He doesn't need outside help to **** things up.

The guy has spent most of his life in prison and is almost certainly institutionalised. It's very probable that he has no idea how to live outside of it.

My name is URL wrote: »

The fcuker would prefer to remain in prison. Isn't it widely believed that he purposely downloaded child porn to get sent back last time? He knew that his actions were being monitored.. it's not just a happy coincidence that police happened to find the stuff.

He's completely and utterly institutionalised and dependent on others at this stage. It's all well and good saying that he should be locked up indefinitely, but that can't happen without good reason, and teams of people; a lot more qualified than us have decided that such reason is non-existent here.

^ This. He's been behind bars so long I don't think he knows how to live without them any more. It's likely that every time he is released he will go and do something to get him sent back inside. In a way it'd probably just be kinder to leave him there where he understands the way it works, and he can get the mental health treatment he obviously needs.

emmabrighton · 04-09-2013 03:09PM

I can't stop thinking about that poor little toddler. I remember when they were caught. I remember it being all over the news. I knew the details of the case and I was 10. I remember feeling sick to the pit of my stomach hearing the details. There is no shadow of a doubt in my mind that they knew what they were doing was wrong. I knew what they did was wrong.

Jamie Bulgers poor parents living out the rest of their lives knowing how their small son suffered in his dying moments.

He would do worse than to take a leaf out of Aeriel Castros book and for the sake of the child’s parents do it in the most painful way he can imagine. And judging from his past indiscretions, he can come up with some fairly sick scenarios.

Hoop66 · 04-09-2013 03:14PM

emmabrighton wrote: »

I can't stop thinking about that poor little toddler. I remember when they were caught. I remember it being all over the news. I knew the details of the case and I was 10. I remember feeling sick to the pit of my stomach hearing the details. There is no shadow of a doubt in my mind that they knew what they were doing was wrong. I knew what they did was wrong.

Jamie Bulgers poor parents living out the rest of their lives knowing how their small son suffered in his dying moments.

He would do worse than to take a leaf out of Aeriel Castros book and for the sake of the child’s parents do it in the most painful way he can imagine. And judging from his past indiscretions, he can come up with some fairly sick scenarios.

And so can you, it would appear.

What do you think, should he:

a) set himself on fire in the street

b) ritually disembowel himself

c) hang himself, but with barbed wire so it hurts more

Which would be better for Ralph & Denise Bulger's sake?

My name is URL · 04-09-2013 03:15PM

emmabrighton wrote: »

He would do worse than to take a leaf out of Aeriel Castros book and for the sake of the child’s parents do it in the most painful way he can imagine.

That itself actually sounds a bit twisted

jon venables out again?

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