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  • #32
    downonthefarm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭downonthefarm


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You do realise then that you'd be going right to jail, with the children you were looking to protect growing up without a parent? It would make no sense.

    If the guy has any sense (which of course he doesn't, going by his past record) he would move to another country or continent.

    i wouldnt be getting caught.


  • #33
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,540 ✭✭✭emo72


    downonthefarm wrote: »
    if he was living next door to your family??if it was me he would be shot on sight,imo

    I daresay if his neighbours knew who he was he would be dead within hours. I wouldn't have to shoot him, a mob would kill him. Anyway it's a moot point. He will be banged up again soon. The guy is ****ed.


  • #34
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    CaliforniaDream wrote: »

    I can't see who wrote the original quote so I apologise if it wasn't you.

    I wrote the post he quoted: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86365245&postcount=15


  • #35
    KKkitty
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    He could always get in the way of someone while they were doing target practice with a gun ;)


  • #36
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    As a child he murdered a young toddler in an attack of twisted savagery. When released, he is then caught with kiddie porn. This is too good for him imo, but it's better than nothing I suppose.


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  • #37
    prizefighter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    Apparently he's started an online pledgedrive to raise 20k so he can move to Thailand.


  • #38
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    KKkitty wrote: »
    He could always get in the way of someone while they were doing target practice with a gun ;)

    Reminds me of Snake from the Simpsons explaining why he's shot:
    Yo, um, I must've, like, fell on a bullet, and it, like, drove itself into my gut.


  • #39
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You do realise then that you'd be going right to jail, with the children you were looking to protect growing up without a parent? It would make no sense.

    If the guy has any sense (which of course he doesn't, going by his past record) he would move to another country or continent.

    No I know it may sound strange but I think he should his passport revoked and that he be tagged. If he p1ssed off to let's say Spain or south america (or somewhere without strict visa requirements) it may/would make it a lot easier for him to harm another child.


  • #40
    CaliforniaDream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭CaliforniaDream


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    I wrote the post he quoted: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86365245&postcount=15

    Thanks, it was the post by BNMC where he states people leave him alone I was referring too.
    On my phone so couldn't check when replying.

    Some people simply have no place in society and he has been given enough chances to prove he's one of them.


  • #41
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    downonthefarm wrote: »
    i wouldnt be getting caught.
    I... think you underestimate forensics and such. Either that or overestimate yourself, given that you'd have implicated yourself in public here to begin with. Anyone who murders this guy is getting caught straight away. You'd want to go under the pseudonym Heisenberg to have a chance at escaping it.

    What I don't get is how he has not been institutionalised at this point - it's clear he was a deranged kid who has turned into a perhaps even more deranged adult, with a f***ed up life from the get go. There's no way he'll ever be anything resembling normal at this point.


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  • #42
    Dermighty
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    KKkitty wrote: »
    If you have kids would you leave them with him?

    I wouldn't leave my kids with anyone I didn't know....


  • #43
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Big Steve wrote: »
    No I know it may sound strange but I think he should his passport revoked and that he be tagged. If he p1ssed off to let's say Spain or south america (or somewhere without strict visa requirements) it may/would make it a lot easier for him to harm another child.
    This is true to a fair extent, though the cynic in me figures the British authorities would be relieved to have the hassle he brings off their hands, and he would still be a registered sex offender with the local authorities fully aware of what he has done.

    He would also need to gain permission to go anywhere outside the EU from them first. Not sure if that would be the case within, due to free travel vs. child sex offenses and the savage Bolger murder?


  • #44
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    Dermighty wrote: »
    I wouldn't leave my kids with anyone I didn't know....

    Exactly but any minute of any day he could be near kids.


  • #45
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Would anyone be against this as a minimum course of action:

    1. Putting a 24 hour tracking tag on him.
    2. Not allowing him use a device which has internet access (maybe stick a wi-fi jammer in his home)
    3. Maintain 100metres from any child
    4. Regular inspection of his "home" by a police official.
    5. Any breach of his parole life without parole or bail in prison.


  • #46
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Right so you can't see why people would assume he's a danger to kids and society?

    There is quite a leap between him being released from prison and people "leaving their kids with him".

    Seriously, this whole issue seems to turn some some people into full-blown, pitchfork-wielding retards:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5StCxzD-jQ


  • #47
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    RayM wrote: »
    There is quite a leap between him being released from prison and people "leaving their kids with him".

    I never said. Other people assumed I meant that because of the fact I'm aware that he can and will easily have access to kids. This isn't a case of people overreacting.
    He's shown that given a second chance, he can't fit into society. It's not like the chap got drunk and started a fight. It's common knowledge that possessing child porn is bad.

    He had his chance, he f**ked it up and I wouldn't let him out.


  • #48
    Billy86
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    Big Steve wrote: »
    Would anyone be against this as a minimum course of action:

    1. Putting a 24 hour tracking tag on him.
    2. Not allowing him use a device which has internet access (maybe stick a wi-fi jammer in his home)
    3. Maintain 100metres from any child
    4. Regular inspection of his "home" by a police official.
    5. Any breach of his parole life without parole or bail in prison.
    And finally, someone injects some actual sense into the thread!


  • #49
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Billy86 wrote: »
    This is true to a fair extent, though the cynic in me figures the British authorities would be relieved to have the hassle he brings off their hands, and he would still be a registered sex offender with the local authorities fully aware of what he has done.

    He would also need to gain permission to go anywhere outside the EU from them first. Not sure if that would be the case within, due to free travel vs. child sex offenses and the savage Bolger murder?

    I know he would absolve the UK authorities of any hassle or responsibility if he moved out of the country but as the crime was committed under their jurisdiction they should hold the responsibility of making sure he doesn't commit yet another offence. I think the same could AND should have been said and done for the likes of Larry Murphy over here.


  • #50
    Vito Corleone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Vito Corleone


    KKkitty wrote: »
    Exactly but any minute of any day he could be near kids.

    I get your point, but the same could be said for any released sex offender. What you are basically saying is that crimes of this nature should carry a life sentence?


  • #51
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Vito Corleone wrote: »
    I get your point, but the same could be said for any released sex offender. What you are basically saying is that crimes of this nature should carry a life sentence?

    No, everyone should get a second chance (well, unless it's obvious they intend to commit more crimes) but the guy ruined his second chance.


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  • #52
    Canis Lupus
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    Big Steve wrote: »
    Would anyone be against this as a minimum course of action:

    1. Putting a 24 hour tracking tag on him.
    2. Not allowing him use a device which has internet access (maybe stick a wi-fi jammer in his home)
    3. Maintain 100metres from any child
    4. Regular inspection of his "home" by a police official.
    5. Any breach of his parole life without parole or bail in prison.

    No3 is a little impractical don't you think otherwise would make perfect sense.


  • #53
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Vito Corleone wrote: »
    I get your point, but the same could be said for any released sex offender. What you are basically saying is that crimes of this nature should carry a life sentence?

    I think that crimes of this nature should most definitely get a life sentence. And life meaning life (till the day you die) not 25 years or what ever the "going rate" is in Ireland.


  • #54
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Is the other fella, Thompson still in prison?

    You wouldn't hear about him at all.

    He was released in 2001. He hasn't resurfaced since, in contrast to Venables he never expressed any remorse while in custody.


  • #55
    Billy86
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    Big Steve wrote: »
    I know he would absolve the UK authorities of any hassle or responsibility if he moved out of the country but as the crime was committed under their jurisdiction they should hold the responsibility of making sure he doesn't commit yet another offence. I think the same could AND should have been said and done for the likes of Larry Murphy over here.
    Definitely agree, I just feel that what they "should" do and what might "serve their interests" (assuming the person who set him free and the guy in charge of making sure he doesn't show up in a lake are from two separate dep'ts - got to love bureaucracy!) could be very different things.


  • #56
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Billy86 wrote: »
    got to love bureaucracy!


    I know.


  • #57
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Big Steve wrote: »
    Would anyone be against this as a minimum course of action:

    1. Putting a 24 hour tracking tag on him.
    2. Not allowing him use a device which has internet access (maybe stick a wi-fi jammer in his home)
    3. Maintain 100metres from any child
    4. Regular inspection of his "home" by a police official.
    5. Any breach of his parole life without parole or bail in prison.

    Dont think that one would be workable


  • #58
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Smidge wrote: »
    Dont think that one would be workable
    I assume he means similar to a restraining order... e.g. if the guy is in a shop and a kid walks in, he can get his stuff but has to leave straight away. Can't be in the vicinity of any schools, day care centres, local parks if a kids football team is training or kids are about, etc.

    More staying in the area, than just happening to pass them by.


  • #59
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    I never said. Other people assumed I meant that because of the fact I'm aware that he can and will easily have access to kids. This isn't a case of people overreacting.
    He's shown that given a second chance, he can't fit into society. It's not like the chap got drunk and started a fight. It's common knowledge that possessing child porn is bad.

    He had his chance, he f**ked it up and I wouldn't let him out.

    He will almost certainly be one of the most closely monitored sex-offenders in Britain - for other people's safety and for his own. Yes, it's common knowledge that possessing child porn is (and this is understating it somewhat) "bad", but should that offence carry a life sentence? Some people think so. Should he have originally been jailed for a crime committed when he was ten years old? In other countries, children who carried out similar crimes have been rehabilitated without being tried as adults and sent to jail. Who knows how he would have turned out if the focus had been solely on rehabilitating those two children, rather than on pacifying the angry, tabloid-reading, pitchfork-wielding elements of the British public.


  • #60
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    Big Steve wrote: »
    Would anyone be against this as a minimum course of action:

    1. Putting a 24 hour tracking tag on him.
    2. Not allowing him use a device which has internet access (maybe stick a wi-fi jammer in his home)
    3. Maintain 100metres from any child
    4. Regular inspection of his "home" by a police official.
    5. Any breach of his parole life without parole or bail in prison.
    Smidge wrote: »
    Dont think that one would be workable
    Billy86 wrote: »
    I assume he means similar to a restraining order... e.g. if the guy is in a shop and a kid walks in, he can get his stuff but has to leave straight away. Can't be in the vicinity of any schools, day care centres, local parks if a kids football team is training or kids are about, etc.

    More staying in the area, than just happening to pass them by.

    Yeah apologies. I meant more along the lines of a restraining order/safety order. I should have clarified that.


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  • #61
    Smidge
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    @ Big Steve (and others):)

    Listen, I'm no fan of this guy.
    I'm old enough to remember the actual event and remember how horrified I was watching and waiting for Jamie to be found and then the terrible aftermath when he was found(I still cannot think about the batteries:()

    This guy may never be rehabilitated, clearly there is a serious malfunction there.
    But despite this, the law is the law(and I am well aware the law can be an ass).

    My feeling is that if he commits another minor transgression he should be made wear a tag for "x" amount of time(years, whatever).

    Other than that, guy's like this?
    They go underground.
    And then no child is safe.


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