Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

Courtesy Flush · 04-09-2013 10:09AM

Supraman wrote: »

Everyone else still on a high from utd game ? Meeting a few utd mates tomorrow night , conversation should be interesting . I wonder who they will blame !

They were all singing Kumbaya and vowed to support the new manager through his transition. Knew the honeymoon wouldn't last too long.
Having said that we are only a few games in and they will still finish ahead of us tbh

PRAF · 04-09-2013 10:40AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Not this week, no.

He's definately capable of that. He has the defensive capabilities, the engine to get up and down, and the tactical discipline to be in the right place at the right time. I don't think we'll change much after 3 wins and 3 clean sheets, but it could certainly work..

Agree with you, Hendo could end up being Mr Versatile for us. A modern day Ronnie Whelan perhaps. He's got the attributes to play in mulitple different positions including RB, RWB, CM, AM, etc. A great option to have in the squad.

Dickerty · 04-09-2013 10:50AM

PRAF wrote: »

Agree with you, Hendo could end up being Mr Versatile for us. A modern day Ronnie Whelan perhaps. He's got the attributes to play in mulitple different positions including RB, RWB, CM, AM, etc. A great option to have in the squad.

Something that we don't have much of in the squad. Suarez can play across the front, Johnson on either side or at RM, and we know what Stevie can do. But most are specialists. It makes him a permanent addition to the matchday 18, and likely to get on the pitch every time, since he can fill in so well, and has a good attitude towards the team goal...

Finally, a success from our badly fractured "Buy English" policy under Kenny!

kfallon · 04-09-2013 10:51AM

PRAF wrote: »

Agree with you, Hendo could end up being Mr Versatile for us. A modern day Ronnie Whelan perhaps. He's got the attributes to play in mulitple different positions including RB, RWB, CM, AM, etc. A great option to have in the squad.

Jordan Henderson should not be mentioned in the same breath as Ronnie Whelan!

At the moment he is more of a modern day Mike Marsh or Jason McAteer :P

billy2012 · 04-09-2013 10:51AM

A nice piece on Mr Bill Shankly from the Liverpool website.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/144273-how-bill-shankly-changed-the-team

audman · 04-09-2013 11:05AM

mav79 wrote: »

Don't know if it was mentioned since the match on Sunday, but it was great to see Sturridge celebrate with Rogers. Shows a good bond between the players and management.

Someone put this up properly please, it's all about the love baby

PRAF · 04-09-2013 11:18AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Something that we don't have much of in the squad. Suarez can play across the front, Johnson on either side or at RM, and we know what Stevie can do. But most are specialists. It makes him a permanent addition to the matchday 18, and likely to get on the pitch every time, since he can fill in so well, and has a good attitude towards the team goal...

Finally, a success from our badly fractured "Buy English" policy under Kenny!

That policy was a bit of a disaster! IIRC the feeling was that uefa were about to impose some new rules about having a certain number of home grown players in your squad. Did that just go away or what? Was watching sky sports last night and saw a stat that only 32% of players in the EPL qualify for England. I don't think there has ever been as many 'foreigners' playing in the EPL than there is now

Another interesting stat was that of all the signings made by the top teams in the EPL this transfer window (in and around 40 I think), only 2 qualify to play for England (and one of those is a Portuguese lad, ilori!)

In fairness, it's not only bad for the English national team, it's also a disaster for the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh teams. Anyway, that's probably a conversation for another thread....

super_furry · 04-09-2013 11:20AM

messinkiapina wrote: »

The Kolo worship is quite funny, in a good way. I don't think I've ever seen a footballer become such a fans favourite after just 3 games. I think it was the shower pic that endeared him to so many!

sotirios-kyrgiakos-liverpool-premier-league-p_23562831.jpg

PRAF · 04-09-2013 11:26AM

kfallon wrote: »

Jordan Henderson should not be mentioned in the same breath as Ronnie Whelan!

At the moment he is more of a modern day Mike Marsh or Jason McAteer :P

I'm not comparing their respective careers. Obviously it is hard to compare a 23 year old with someone who was a Liverpool legend.

However, I do see lots of similarities between them:
- Technically good players
- Somewhat underrated
- Can play multiple positions in the team

If Hendo goes on to have half as good a career with Liverpool as Ronnie had, he'll be doing very well.

Cartman78 · 04-09-2013 11:29AM

Never understood the fascination with Kryiakos (probably not the right spelling either but genuinely couldn't be bothered) - imho one of the worst Liverpool players in ~ 30 years.

Luckycharms_74 · 04-09-2013 11:29AM

It's like we are in a parallel universe in this new thread. No bitching, moaning, sniping, etc.
Meanwhile over in the Man Utd thread they are having a meltdown & have nearly double the amount of posts to us..... :P

Luckycharms_74 · 04-09-2013 11:32AM

audman wrote: »

Someone put this up properly please, it's all about the love baby

kfallon · 04-09-2013 11:33AM

PRAF wrote: »

I'm not comparing their respective careers. Obviously it is hard to compare a 23 year old with someone who was a Liverpool legend.

However, I do see lots of similarities between them:
- Technically good players
- Somewhat underrated
- Can play multiple positions in the team

If Hendo goes on to have half as good a career with Liverpool as Ronnie had, he'll be doing very well.

I would say Ronnie had done a lot more by the time he was 23 than Henderson has!

Henderson needs to work on his passing, his final ball at times and decision making in the final third can be awful. I like the guys attitude and he has some potential but to me last Sunday's performance needs to become the norm rather than the exception.

As he is now I could never see him 'bossing' a game and that's what all top midfielders should be capable of doing!

Kess73 · 04-09-2013 11:35AM

PRAF wrote: »

I'm not comparing their respective careers. Obviously it is hard to compare a 23 year old with someone who was a Liverpool legend.

However, I do see lots of similarities between them:
- Technically good players
- Somewhat underrated
- Can play multiple positions in the team

If Hendo goes on to have half as good a career with Liverpool as Ronnie had, he'll be doing very well.

It is also difficult to compare them simply because at the age of 23 Ronnie Whelan was already a far superior player to what Henderson is at the age of 23, and because Whelan at 23 was already an established first team player who had made the left side of CM his own.

Whelan may be one of the worst pundits around, but he was a smashing player and I think it is forgotten by many of those old enough to remember him that he broke into (as in made himself a starter) a top class Liverpool team at the age of 20 and did not look out of place.

kfallon · 04-09-2013 11:38AM

Kess73 wrote: »

It is also difficult to compare them simply because at the age of 23 Ronnie Whelan was already a far superior player to what Henderson is at the age of 23, and because Whelan at 23 was already an established first team player who had made the left side of CM his own.

Whelan may be one of the worst pundits around, but he was a smashing player and I think it is forgotten by many of those old enough to remember him that he broke into (as in made himself a starter) a top class Liverpool team at the age of 20 and did not look out of place.

Well said! Whelan was one of my all time favourite Liverpool players, a scrawny lad from Dublin who broke into one of the greatest teams ever and scored bundles of important goals!

messinkiapina · 04-09-2013 11:42AM

Henderson had a great game against united, by far his best in a Liverpool shirt. But he still has a bit to do before i change my mind about him.

PropJoe10 · 04-09-2013 11:51AM

Henderson is great but you cant compare him to someone like Ronnie Whelan. He reminds me more of a lesser version of Ray Houghton - great energy, workrate and eye for a goal. He's going to be a great player for us for years to come.

Kess73 · 04-09-2013 11:53AM

kfallon wrote: »

Well said! Whelan was one of my all time favourite Liverpool players, a scrawny lad from Dublin who broke into one of the greatest teams ever and scored bundles of important goals!

Yep if he was breaking through in the game today he would be regarded as a wonderkid type player in the manner that guys like Gotze,and Hazard were regarded at 20.

He was just such a talented player from a young age, and you don't go into the best team in England and one of the best teams in Europe and stand out like he did at the age of 20 unless you have amazing talent.

By the time Whelan was 23 he had been a core member of a team that won three league titles, three league cups, and a European cup. In modern terms. he would be like a player making a starting place his own from the age of 20 in the Barca team of a couple of years back.

Cartman78 · 04-09-2013 11:56AM

Henderson could be the new Dirk (with slightly less goals) - I guess every team needs someone roughly like that...willing to sarcrifice themselves & work their ar$e off so that other players can flourish.

Watched back some of the game last night...his workrate was phenomenal throughout. If some finesse and incisive passing could be added/developed he could be a very useful asset to the team.

Kess73 · 04-09-2013 11:59AM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Henderson is great but you cant compare him to someone like Ronnie Whelan. He reminds me more of a lesser version of Ray Houghton - great energy, workrate and eye for a goal. He's going to be a great player for us for years to come.

Said that the season we bought him. I still reckon, based on how he used Henderson, that Kenny saw Henderson as being able to play in the same position that Houghton did and that he would be that kind of player. Did not turn out that way of course and Henderson looked very poor for much of that season.

Rodgers seems to have gotten a lot more out of Henderson and tweaked his starting position a few times in order to find a role that works for a player of Henderson's skillset. Do think the Houghton comparison is still a valid one as he does at times resemble a lesser version of Houghton (and that is no knock on Henderson as Houghton was a very good player) when in the other team's half.

Agueroooo · 04-09-2013 12:37PM

Henderson might not be the most flash player but do not underestimate what his work rate produces for those more skilful players around him.

He closes down, makes space, dummy runs etc which will give the likes of Coutinho and Gerrard an extra % in time and creativity to produce that killer ball etc.

PropJoe10 · 04-09-2013 12:38PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Said that the season we bought him. I still reckon, based on how he used Henderson, that Kenny saw Henderson as being able to play in the same position that Houghton did and that he would be that kind of player. Did not turn out that way of course and Henderson looked very poor for much of that season.

Rodgers seems to have gotten a lot more out of Henderson and tweaked his starting position a few times in order to find a role that works for a player of Henderson's skillset. Do think the Houghton comparison is still a valid one as he does at times resemble a lesser version of Houghton (and that is no knock on Henderson as Houghton was a very good player) when in the other team's half.

The big difference with Henderson in the last year is that he seems to have much more confidence in himself. When he first joined, if he got a shooting chance he'd pass to someone else rather than take the responsibility. Now he seems keen to take responsibility himself. When he's on the field, you just get the feeling that he wants to do well so much more than anyone else on the field. And thats no sleight on any of our other players, he just seems to have incredible determination. I really like him.

gimli2112 · 04-09-2013 12:47PM

PRAF wrote: »

That policy was a bit of a disaster! IIRC the feeling was that uefa were about to impose some new rules about having a certain number of home grown players in your squad. Did that just go away or what?

Think it was just PSG and Monaco suddenly got bags of money and it was no longer a priority for Platini.

Whelan really was immense. Even near the end of his career and we were declining he was a very important player for us.

Just checking soemthing on Whelan there on Wiki. I remembered him scoring against Gary Bailey in the League Cup Final but also Spurs. He scored the winner in two successsive Finals. Anyway what caught my eye was our team in 83. Christ.

Grobbelaar
Neal Hansen Lawernson A.Kennedy
Lee Johnston Souness Whelan
Rush Dalglish

spockety · 04-09-2013 01:32PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Think it was just PSG and Monaco suddenly got bags of money and it was no longer a priority for Platini.

Whelan really was immense. Even near the end of his career and we were declining he was a very important player for us.

Just checking soemthing on Whelan there on Wiki. I remembered him scoring against Gary Bailey in the League Cup Final but also Spurs. He scored the winner in two successsive Finals. Anyway what caught my eye was our team in 83. Christ.

Grobbelaar
Neal Hansen Lawernson A.Kennedy
Lee Johnston Souness Whelan
Rush Dalglish

.. who managed 14 draws and 6 losses in the 83/84 season as well as being knocked out of the FA cup by Brighton and Hove Albion. ;-)

noodler · 04-09-2013 01:37PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Those who remember King Luis when he first joined us and was playing out wide at times, he was very much the same. Coutinho is obviously a level or two higher than Garcia but I hope you get my point that these players need to play a pivotal role, a central role to get the best out of them.

I think that is a complete overexageration at this point in time to be perfectly Frank (you can still be perfectly Nuri).

As impressed with Countinho's ability as we all are, Garica has extreme end product during his time at Liverpool. It is way too early to argue that he is a level or two above Garcia imo.

EDIT: Praise like that needs to be earned and, imo, Coutinho hasn't earned anywhere near the plaudits Garcia had.

gimli2112 · 04-09-2013 01:39PM

spockety wrote: »

.. who managed 14 draws and 6 losses in the 83/84 season as well as being knocked out of the FA cup by Brighton and Hove Albion. ;-)

Think you have the wrong year? We won the League, LC and the real European Cup that year. :rolleyes:

spockety · 04-09-2013 01:44PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Think you have the wrong year? We won the League, LC and the real European Cup that year. :rolleyes:

We did indeed, and I have the correct year.

Speak Now · 04-09-2013 01:46PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Think you have the wrong year? We won the League, LC and the real European Cup that year. :rolleyes:

No he has the right year. Second successive year knocked out of FA cup by Brighton as well.

Kess73 · 04-09-2013 01:49PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Think you have the wrong year? We won the League, LC and the real European Cup that year. :rolleyes:

He is spot on.

22 wins, 14 draws, and 6 losses was our league form that season.

gimli2112 · 04-09-2013 01:52PM

spockety wrote: »

We did indeed, and I have the correct year.

Sorry, see that now.
And Coventry beat us 4-0...... fk off Coventry

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