Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

Kess73 · 03-09-2013 01:13PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Off the top of my head

Dortmund - Hummels and Subotić
Bayern - Boetang and Dante

PSG - Thiago Silva, Alex and Marquinhos

Atleti - Godin and Miranda, can include Alderweireld now as well.
Real - Pepe, Ramos and Varene
Barca - Pique and Puyol, can include Mascherano.

Arsenal - Kosc and Mertesacker
Man United - Vidic, Rio, Evans, Smalling and Jones

All of which are right footed though.

Boetang and Dante are lefties, as is Badstuber.:p

Knex* · 03-09-2013 01:17PM

Jerome Boateng can use both feet, in fairness to him. Always found it very hard to peg down which one is his strongest.

Chiellini though is left footed , is he not? Bit different anyway, as Nuri said, in that he's on the left side of a 3 CB system.

SlickRic · 03-09-2013 01:23PM

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

Nuri Sahin · 03-09-2013 01:24PM

Knex. wrote: »

Jerome Boateng can use both feet, in fairness to him. Always found it very hard to peg down which one is his strongest.

Chiellini though is left footed , is he not? Bit different anyway, as Nuri said, in that he's on the left side of a 3 CB system.

Yeah you're right according to more sources he is left footed, some other sites are saying he's ambidextrous though.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 01:25PM

yea so i think we can all agree its not about what foot they are. any footed defender should be able to play on either sdide of defence. its just about how they throw in a tackle has to be altered. ie: a lefty is going to slide in differently than a righty on an on coming player regardless of its the right side or left. in fact a lefty on the right would stop the trailing leg from taking a man down??

but its more about who should start

toure has to start due to his early season form. he has been commanding in the role.

sakho is a big money signing and our most expensive cb ever. im sure he isnt here to warm the bench.

i think whatever about the next few games but late on in the season i see it being toure and sakho holding the defence

Jason Todd · 03-09-2013 01:32PM

Sorry if posted already...

Suarez happy to have stayed
Luis Suarez claims he decided to stay at Liverpool 'some weeks ago' and gave no thought to a late summer switch.

After arriving in South America for international duty, Suarez is quoted in the Daily Mirror as saying: "For me, it has been closed for some time. I made the decision to stay at Liverpool some weeks ago and I want to stay and work for the team from now on.

"I will go back to Liverpool to play and I hope to be the same player the fans can trust.

"I said I wanted to play in the Champions League, but when that didn't happen I knew I'd be happy with life to have my future at Liverpool."

Reports on Monday suggested that Real made a dramatic bid to land Suarez before the transfer deadline passed, but the 26-year-old says he paid little attention to the rumours.

He added: "It is closed now and I am comfortable with the decision.

"I said if there was something good I would be interested. If not, then I am happy at Liverpool. I can say now I am happy.

"Of course I am not playing. I just want to concentrate on getting ready to play for Liverpool again. It is good I will be able to play in Uruguay."

Link

audman · 03-09-2013 01:34PM

Jason Todd wrote: »

Sorry if posted already...

Link

Same goes for this, Sturridge didn't train with England. Let it stay that way

What an absolute disaster it'd be if he did more damage playing for England.

http://m.skysports.com/article/sports//8904384

LuckyLloyd · 03-09-2013 01:36PM

SlickRic wrote: »

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

Except former pros indicate that it means something...

Dont be at yourself · 03-09-2013 01:36PM

SlickRic wrote: »

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

This x a million

danoriordan1402 · 03-09-2013 01:41PM

audman wrote: »

Same goes for this, Sturridge didn't train with England. Let it stay that way What an absolute disaster it'd be if he did more damage playing for England.

http://m.skysports.com/article/sports//8904384

Hope he's pulled out of the squad - would be typical of Hogdson to try to get him to play 90mins.

let England start with Welbeck..

amber69 · 03-09-2013 01:51PM

Tusky wrote: »

Is there any examples of top teams that play with two CD who are both left or right footed?

John Terry plays on the left

SlickRic · 03-09-2013 01:52PM

i'd love it if Suarez would just shhhh and not say another fúcking word.

the man embarrassed us this summer. fúck him.

he is an employee who is brilliant at his job, and all i want is for us to extract the most that we can from his considerable talent before we sell him.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 01:54PM

SlickRic wrote: »

i'd love it if Suarez would just shhhh and not say another fúcking word.

the man embarrassed us this summer. fúck him.

he is an employee who is brilliant at his job, and all i want is for us to extract the most that we can from his considerable talent before we sell him.

id love it if we got 4th or 3rd this season and signed a top class striker with the lure of champions league football then turned around and sold suarez and replaced him aswell:D

Daemonic · 03-09-2013 01:55PM

Depends on how the player likes to tackle as P.Legend said. If you're competing with a forward as you run toward your own goal, the first instinct should be to push them wide. Assuming the CB does this, if they are a leftie playing on the right, they will either need to tackle by swinging their weaker foot across (and I think most players tackle this way as a preference) or they need to tackle in the manner Gerrard did on Sunday.
Either way it may take quite a bit of adaption if they are used to playing on the left of a CB pairing.
The other option would be to allow their man on the inside, effectively guiding them toward the goal.

Mickalus · 03-09-2013 02:02PM

There was a good bit of talk about Toby Alderweireld on here for Liverpool, he ended up going to Atletico Madrid yesterday. undisclosed fee according to Sky Sports.

Grayditch · 03-09-2013 02:07PM

Mickalus wrote: »

There was a good bit of talk about Toby Alderweireld on here for Liverpool, he ended up going to Atletico Madrid yesterday. undisclosed fee according to Sky Sports.

Yeah, but Sahko.

Pepe LeFrits · 03-09-2013 02:07PM

amber69 wrote: »

John Terry plays on the left

Koscielny also plays on the left side and seems to be better there.

OwaynOTT · 03-09-2013 02:08PM

Top of th3 table ftw!

Kess73 · 03-09-2013 02:12PM

SlickRic wrote: »

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

Course it matters.

There are far more right footed players than left footed ones. So if we look at that with regards to the centre back positions, then right footed centre backs will be used in either of the two CB a lot through their development and as senior players, but given that natural lefties are a more rare commodity they will spend more of their development and senior time playing in one specific role and as such most, imo of course, will have spent years and years being very one sided in terms of how they develop.

Even look at when we have had injuries in the full back positions, how often have you seen any of our naturally left footed defenders being used to cover a position on the right? Then think about how often we have used right footed players to cover the left hand slot.

I do agree that a professional footballer should be able to use both feet to as high a level as they are playing in the game, and I do agree that in theory a player should be able to play in a right sided or left sided position equally, but in the more specialised (and probably rigid in terms of development) positions the players who are left footed do tend, for a large number of them it would appear, to be used on one side only throughout their careers and that force of habit has to stick.

Even take other sports, the same can apply. When I was very young and started boxing I was encouraged to fight in a southpaw stance as often as I did in an orthodox stance, same thing carried over when I started to practise martial arts at the start of the 1990's. but most tend to fight out of one stance or the other, and if you took the average amatuer fighter who has fought and trained in an orthodox stance for the past ten years and told him that he was to fight his next fight in a southpaw stance then he would most likely find himself in a bit of bother.

Basically my point is that a person who is taught and trained to compete in a number of positions or stances will stand a better chance of being adaptable to change of position/stance in a competitive enviroment than the guy who has spent most of his time since he was young training/competing in the one position/stance.

asdfgh86 · 03-09-2013 02:19PM

In October 2011 when the Suarez-Evra incident brought up the issue of race and football I remember thinking how 'white' the current squad was.
Glen Johnson was the only 'black' player in the whole 26 man squad (bar Sterling who at that point had never played) We also had the skinhead quartet of Spearing, Shelvey, Skrtel and Reina roaming around Anfield which wasn't helping our image either!

Fast forward 23 months and the Liverpool squad now features: Kolo Touré, Daniel Sturridge, Glen Johnson, Aly Cissokho, Raheem Sterling, Jordon Ibe, Andre Wisdom, Jerome Sinclair, Tiago Ilori, Victor Moses and Mamadou Sakho.

PRAF · 03-09-2013 02:21PM

Just as some are prone to overestimate Agger as a player, I think some are too quick to minimise his impact on the team. I don't think he is a pure defender in the mould of a Carra, Terry, or Vidic. He is a very good ball playing centre half. Yes he makes mistakes from time to time but overall I think we have been a better team when he has played.

All of that said, I think Sakho will start more often than not. You just don't spend 15m on a marquee signing and leave him on the bench. That may mean Agger playing as part of a defensive 3, playing LB, or even playing DM from time to time. It may also mean moving either Agger or Sakho to play on the right side of a CB pairing (with Toure on the bench or else moved to DM).

It is a bit of a conundrum for Rodgers but its a good one to have if you know what I mean

PropJoe10 · 03-09-2013 02:23PM

PRAF wrote: »

Just as some are prone to overestimate Agger as a player, I think some are too quick to minimise his impact on the team. I don't think he is a pure defender in the mould of a Carra, Terry, or Vidic. He is a very good ball playing centre half. Yes he makes mistakes from time to time but overall I think we have been a better team when he has played.

All of that said, I think Sakho will start more often than not. You just don't spend 15m on a marquee signing and leave him on the bench. That may mean Agger playing as part of a defensive 3, playing LB, or even playing DM from time to time. It may also mean moving either Agger or Sakho to play on the right side of a CB pairing (with Toure on the bench or else moved to DM).

It is a bit of a conundrum for Rodgers but its a good one to have if you know what I mean

I dont think Agger would be mobile enough to play DM, and LB isnt a great position for him either. Cant Sakho play LB as well as CB pretty well?

PRAF · 03-09-2013 02:25PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Course it matters.

There are far more right footed players than left footed ones. So if we look at that with regards to the centre back positions, then right footed centre backs will be used in either of the two CB a lot through their development and as senior players, but given that natural lefties are a more rare commodity they will spend more of their development and senior time playing in one specific role and as such most, imo of course, will have spent years and years being very one sided in terms of how they develop.

Even look at when we have had injuries in the full back positions, how often have you seen any of our naturally left footed defenders being used to cover a position on the right? Then think about how often we have used right footed players to cover the left hand slot.

I do agree that a professional footballer should be able to use both feet to as high a level as they are playing in the game, and I do agree that in theory a player should be able to play in a right sided or left sided position equally, but in the more specialised (and probably rigid in terms of development) positions the players who are left footed do tend, for a large number of them it would appear, to be used on one side only throughout their careers and that force of habit has to stick.

Even take other sports, the same can apply. When I was very young and started boxing I was encouraged to fight in a southpaw stance as often as I did in an orthodox stance, same thing carried over when I started to practise martial arts at the start of the 1990's. but most tend to fight out of one stance or the other, and if you took the average amatuer fighter who has fought and trained in an orthodox stance for the past ten years and told him that he was to fight his next fight in a southpaw stance then he would most likely find himself in a bit of bother.

Basically my point is that a person who is taught and trained to compete in a number of positions or stances will stand a better chance of being adaptable to change of position/stance in a competitive enviroment than the guy who has spent most of his time since he was young training/competing in the one position/stance.

Did I also read in here somewhere that as a rule lefties find it much harder to use their weaker foot than righties do. Bring back corporal punishment I say. Back in the good old days, someone like Agger would've been whipped and beat into shape until he was equally as good on his right foot!

Kess73 · 03-09-2013 02:26PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I dont think Agger would be mobile enough to play DM, and LB isnt a great position for him either. Cant Sakho play LB as well as CB pretty well?

Sakho is better at LB than Agger imho, but it would be a hell of a waste of a player of Sakho's ability to use him as a makeshift LB rather than to play him at CB.

Knex* · 03-09-2013 02:28PM

Who ever thought that by the end of the transfer window we would have Sakho, Agger, Toure, and Skrtel all vying for two spots. Not to mention Ilori in reserve.

Some fantastic depth at that position now.

PropJoe10 · 03-09-2013 02:29PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Sakho is better at LB than Agger imho, but it would be a hell of a waste of a player of Sakho's ability to use him as a makeshift LB rather than to play him at CB.

Agreed. I think Agger and Sakho would be a fine combination in theory, but both of them play mainly in the left CB role. Maybe Sakho could play as the right-hand CB, with Johnson RB and Enrique LB. In any case, we've lots of options at CB now, which is great.

Knex* · 03-09-2013 02:31PM

Victor Moses' interview just popped up for me, if anyone is interested.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x143t93_victor-moses-first-liverpool-interview_sport

PRAF · 03-09-2013 02:32PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I dont think Agger would be mobile enough to play DM, and LB isnt a great position for him either

Possibly. He'd probably be best suited to a Franz Beckenbauer style libero role who would leave the heavy lifting to Toure and Sakho. If it is about getting your best 11 on the pitch, then maybe we could go with the following line up:

Mig

Toure

Agger

Sakho

Johnson

Enrique

Hendo

Gerrard

Cout

Sturridge----Suarez

Perhaps a bit defensive but you'd also have the likes of Aspas, Ibe, Sterling, Moses, etc to spring from the bench as required.

You'd also have the likes of Lucas, Sktrl, and Allen as backup which is a hell of a lot better than the types of backup players we used to have!

Knex* · 03-09-2013 02:34PM

Actually, if we are playing that 3-5-2 formation, or 5-3-2, whichever you like to call it, signing of Cissokho could be very shrewd.

Think himself and Johnson would be excellent in that system.

Wouldn't be leaving Lucas out however. He's getting back to his best and is vital to us. Breaks up so many plays and is starting to get back to passing the ball and dictating tempo/play the way he did 18 months ago when he got injured.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 02:35PM

Knex. wrote: »

Who ever thought that by the end of the transfer window we would have Sakho, Agger, Toure, and Skrtel all vying for two spots. Not to mention Ilori in reserve.

Some fantastic depth at that position now.

i guess it puts to bed the whole martin kelly future cb

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