SYRIA WAR MEGATHREAD - Mod Note First Post

uncle_sam_ie · 30-08-2013 08:44PM

JackD9922 wrote: »

''Morally, attacking the syrian government is the right thing to do''

Based on what grounds?? We dont know if there were chemical weapons used, not to mention who used them.

Well, apparently based on Youtube videos and twitter feeds, Oh, and someone post it on Facebook. :rolleyes:

thisonetaken · 30-08-2013 08:45PM

Iraqi is in tatters because the Iraqi's are fighting amongst themselves, its not the fault of the US. Are you trying to say Iraqis need a dictator to keep them in line?

thisonetaken · 30-08-2013 08:46PM

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

Well, apparently based on Youtube videos and twitter feeds, Oh, and someone post it on Facebook. :rolleyes:

so those videos were all staged? oh right

uncle_sam_ie · 30-08-2013 09:23PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

so those videos were all staged? oh right

Yeah videos can be staged and faked it's called propaganda,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbOId8zwNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DCZxsrt9I

Always a classic,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg

Amirani · 30-08-2013 09:37PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Iraqi is in tatters because the Iraqi's are fighting amongst themselves, its not the fault of the US. Are you trying to say Iraqis need a dictator to keep them in line?

I presume you also think the Brits aren't in any way responsible for the Irish civil war?

Killer Wench · 30-08-2013 09:45PM

Seems that a Napalm might have happened today:

http://news.sky.com/story/1135090/syria-napalm-like-burns-after-school-attack

Video:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-reports-of-napalmlike-bomb-attack-on-aleppo-playground-emerge-after-mps-vote-against-military-action-8790841.html

gurramok · 30-08-2013 09:47PM

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

Yeah videos can be staged and faked it's called propaganda,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbOId8zwNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DCZxsrt9I

Always a classic,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg

This one ain't faked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594

*note, the BBC report may be distressing*

Assad is like Saddam(both Baathists), they kill their own people at will. It has to be stopped.

Arnold Layne · 30-08-2013 10:03PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Iraqi is in tatters because the Iraqi's are fighting amongst themselves, its not the fault of the US. Are you trying to say Iraqis need a dictator to keep them in line?

A totalitarian regime is what keeps a lot of different religions & beliefs in line. Iraq is one example where the breakdown of this type of rule has led to sectarian violence, Libya is another. The break up of the Soviet Union is another example, where civil war preceeded in many ex-soviet satellite states.

Ireland, you could argue, is another example, considering the atrocities committed during the civil war. Something which still divides this country.

Killer Wench · 30-08-2013 10:30PM

CNN is reporting that 300 Marines are on a ship off the Syrian Coast. Marines on a carrier is pretty standard, so I am not sure why they are reporting this unless they are expecting those troops to hit the ground.

hmmm · 30-08-2013 10:32PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

CNN is reporting that 300 Marines are on a ship off the Syrian Coast. Marines on a carrier is pretty standard, so I am not sure why they are reporting this unless they are expecting those troops to hit the ground.

Because it's CNN and they've reporters standing around waiting for a "war" with nothing to talk about.

Seaneh · 30-08-2013 10:37PM

gurramok wrote: »

This one ain't faked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594

*note, the BBC report may be distressing*

Assad is like Saddam(both Baathists), they kill their own people at will. It has to be stopped.

Israel and the US routinely use similar bombs.

Arnold Layne · 30-08-2013 10:42PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Israel and the US routinely use similar bombs.

But they use them to kill others, not their own.

So that's OK. :mad:

Seaneh · 30-08-2013 10:47PM

Arnold Layne wrote: »

But they use them to kill others, not their own.

So that's OK. :mad:

Ah, so it's ok to drop tons of white phosphorous on highly populated civilian centres in Fallujah or Gaza because they are other peoples citizens but not ok to drop one bomb on an area in Syria becuase those are Syrians and he's Sryian? I see.

BTW, I think incendiaries are just as disgusting as chemical weapons and should be banned as well, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the BBC, where was their concern when The US were blanket bombing Fallujah or Israel were blanket bombing Gaza City with incendiaries?

If the British government actually make an issue of incendiaries being used in the next few days to try and advance their case, I might actually puke.

dav32cs · 30-08-2013 10:53PM

Isn't it all a bit convenient about these apparent attacks that Al Assad is carrying out on civilians now once the Western govts need for a bit of support to attack Syria is needed?

If you sit down and think logically , why, when the war mongering govts are looking for ANY excuse to launch their offensive, would the Syrian govt use chemical weapons or incendiary devices in civilian areas that would simply justify all western rhetoric?

Israel used phosphorus weapons in Palestine and USA used them in Iraq in civilian areas contrary to international law but it's OK for them. .

gurramok · 30-08-2013 10:55PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Israel and the US routinely use similar bombs.

More whataboutery. So you condone chemical\napalm use by Assad against civilians?

gurramok · 30-08-2013 10:56PM

dav32cs wrote: »

Isn't it all a bit convenient about these apparent attacks that Al Assad is carrying out on civilians now once the Western govts need for a bit of support to attack Syria is needed?

If you sit down and think logically , why, when the war mongering govts are looking for ANY excuse to launch their offensive, would the Syrian govt use chemical weapons or incendiary devices in civilian areas that would simply justify all western rhetoric?

Assad has been using bombs of all sorts against his own people for the last 2 years. Where you have been, have you been watching events?

hmmm · 30-08-2013 10:58PM

dav32cs wrote: »

would the Syrian govt use chemical weapons or incendiary devices in civilian areas that would simply justify all western rhetoric?

Whatever about chemical weapons, Assad has been bombing the living s***e out of rebel held areas for a year. Homs is flattened, a major city simply flattened. Not that the rebels would be any different given the chance, but stop with the whole "Western conspiracy" nonsense. SCUDs, chemical weapons, cluster bombs, napalm, phosphorous, the whole lot have been used by Assad - and his father before him was no stranger to killing tens of thousands of his own people with chemical weapons.

Gringo180 · 30-08-2013 11:00PM

Is there any chance it could be Israel or the US dropping these phospherus bombs to instigate action from western countries?

Lightbulb Sun · 30-08-2013 11:01PM

gurramok wrote: »

More whataboutery. So you condone chemical\napalm use by Assad against civilians?

Do you condone the US using napalm and white phosphorus against Iraqis?

Seaneh · 30-08-2013 11:02PM

gurramok wrote: »

More whataboutery. So you condone chemical\napalm use by Assad against civilians?

I condem the use of incendiaries by ALL parties who use them.

I condem the use of Chemical weapons by all parties who use them.

He used incendiaries, but they aren't banned. If he was to be "punished" for than then maybe the EU should "punish" the US by bombing DC and NY to "pay the back" for using white phosphorous and napalm over the years?
And while we're at it, give Israel a bit of smack for using the same in Gaza. Because if you're going to punish one guilty party, you have a moral obligation to punish all guilty parties.

There has been ZERO proof provided that he has used chemical weapons, ever. Just the usual pontification from the US.

The last time the US told us they had proof of something and started bombing another country it was based on blatant lies, until they provide evidence to the world to evaluate then I will continue to believe they are talking through their arses, once bitten, twice shy and all that.

theGEM · 30-08-2013 11:03PM

gurramok wrote: »

This one ain't faked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594

*note, the BBC report may be distressing*

Assad is like Saddam(both Baathists), they kill their own people at will. It has to be stopped.

Assad drops a few bombs...Lets stop him by bombing the **** out of the country

The track record in this conflict shows that the rebels have been using the chemical weapons. Obama and his fcuking stupid red line was only a invitation to the rebels to set them off and draw the West into the whole mess.

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

Look at the videos on LiveLeak the rebels are butchers. Why Obama threw his support behind them is beyond me...btw Saudi Arabia is the main driver in this conflict..

Arnold Layne · 30-08-2013 11:06PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Ah, so it's ok to drop tons of white phosphorous on highly populated civilian centres in Fallujah or Gaza because they are other peoples citizens but not ok to drop one bomb on an area in Syria becuase those are Syrians and he's Sryian? I see.

You missed my point, I was being sarcastic.

As you, and most sane people are aware; the West do not see a problem in aiding the deaths of civilians when it suits, but when it can be a prelude to an attack on a sovereign nation,they are all gung-ho.

While the deaths in this case are abhorrent; I wonder if the findings of the UN report point the finger at the "rebels" will cause the US & GB to attack their strongholds and their CW suppliers.

I think not. There is more at play here than the media dare to report.

Seaneh · 30-08-2013 11:08PM

Arnold Layne wrote: »

You missed my point, I was being sarcastic.

I was replying sarcastic!

gurramok · 30-08-2013 11:09PM

Lightbulb Sun wrote: »

Do you condone the US using napalm and white phosphorus against Iraqis?

No. Whats Iraq got to do with 2013 Syria?

Do you condone Assad's bombing of kids?

Seaneh wrote: »

I condem the use of incendiaries by ALL parties who use them.

I condem the use of Chemical weapons by all parties who use them.

He used incendiaries, but they aren't banned. If he was to be "punished" for than then maybe the EU should "punish" the US by bombing DC and NY to "pay the back" for using white phosphorous and napalm over the years?
And while we're at it, give Israel a bit of smack for using the same in Gaza. Because if you're going to punish one guilty party, you have a moral obligation to punish all guilty parties.

There has been ZERO proof provided that he has used chemical weapons, ever. Just the usual pontification from the US.

The last time the US told us they had proof of something and started bombing another country it was based on blatant lies, until they provide evidence to the world to evaluate then I will continue to believe they are talking through their arses, once bitten, twice shy and all that.

That was Iraq. You are making the classical mistake that Iraq is Syria. It ain't. Even in todays modern media, there is overwhelming evidence of what Assad has done in conventional warfare on his own people, even napalming them today. Killing kids is his modus operandi no matter what weapon he uses.

theGEM wrote: »

Assad drops a few bombs...Lets stop him by bombing the **** out of the country

The track record in this conflict shows that the rebels have been using the chemical weapons. Obama and his fcuking stupid red line was only a invitation to the rebels to set them off and draw the West into the whole mess.

Look at the videos on LiveLeak the rebels are butchers. Why Obama threw his support behind them is beyond me...btw Saudi Arabia is the main driver in this conflict..

Suspicion, not proof from your May 5th UN report.

Look at the thosuand's of videos, Assad is the butcher.

seanie_c · 30-08-2013 11:20PM

gurramok wrote: »

No. Whats Iraq got to do with 2013 Syria?

Israel.

gurramok · 30-08-2013 11:22PM

seanie_c wrote: »

Israel.

Wonderful post new poster. Please expand on your theory, as that is all that it is.

30-08-2013 11:23PM

Arnold Layne wrote: »

But they use them to kill others, not their own.

So that's OK. :mad:

But they're not killing "their own" they're killing the opposition, it's a civil war.

No war is morally "right".

Seaneh · 30-08-2013 11:25PM

gurramok wrote: »

That was Iraq. You are making the classical mistake that Iraq is Syria. It ain't. Even in todays modern media, there is overwhelming evidence of what Assad has done in conventional warfare on his own people, even napalming them today. Killing kids is his modus operandi no matter what weapon he uses.

There is no evidence that he has used chemical weapons, NONE, ever.

NONE.

And no matter how many times you repeat yourself, there still won't be.

Napalm is not a chemical weapon, incendiaries are not banned under international law. They are used ALL THE TIME, especially by the country trying to claim the moral high ground and play world police again.

If you want to be pissed about someone using Napalm and other incendiaries, then I suggest you start petitioning for the UN to attack the US to punish them for their use of it.

I am not confusing Syria with anywhere else. I'd wager I'm far more aware of the issues at play in Syria right now than you ever will be.
I'm not an Assad supporter, I never have been, I am just not stupid enough to believe that installing an American Citizen from Texas with strong links the the house of Saud and the Muslim brotherhood who the FSA have rejected several times as the leader of Syria is anything but a recipe for disaster.

I also realise that the FSA have no hope in hell of controlling the Salafists and that within months any secular government that might be installed will be overthrown by Jihadis and as a result the Shiites, Christians and Kurds will be rounded up and slaughtered by the Sunni extremists, like they already are being in rebel held areas in Syria!

If you don't understand the actual issues at play in Syria, don't try and preach about "right and wrong" because you haven't a ****ing notion what you are ****ing on about.

Of the current potential winners of the civil war, Assad is THE LEAST WORST OPTION.

If Qatar and Saudi stop supporting the Salafists they war ends IN WEEKS.

That is what the international community should be pushing for, ending the war as quickly as possible and then engaging Assad.
Assad has already said he will hold open elections with international observers if the fighting ceases. Hold him to his word, let the regime change politically, trying to fund the rebels, who are, frankly, having their arses handed to them on a daily bases for the last few months, is the single stupidst option available in this war and only means it drags on and on and more people die. Without foreign intervention from Qatar and Saudi this war would already be over.

seanie_c · 30-08-2013 11:26PM

gurramok wrote: »

Wonderful post new poster. Please expand on your theory, as that is all that it is.

Nah, it's a 2 way street and I'm not a preacher.
You believe what you want. I'm indifferent either way.

gurramok · 30-08-2013 11:34PM

Seaneh wrote: »

There is no evidence that he has used chemical weapons, NONE, ever.

NONE.

And no matter how many times you repeat yourself, there still won't be.

Napalm is not a chemical weapon, incendiaries are not banned under international law. They are used ALL THE TIME, especially by the country trying to claim the moral high ground and play world police again.

If you want to be pissed about someone using Napalm and other incendiaries, then I suggest you start petitioning for the UN to attack the US to punish them for their use of it.

I am not confusing Syria with anywhere else. I'd wager I'm far more aware of the issues at play in Syria right now than you ever will be.
I'm not an Assad supporter, I never have been, I am just not stupid enough to believe that installing an American Citizen from Texas with strong links the the house of Saud and the Muslim brotherhood who the FSA have rejected several times as the leader of Syria is a recipe for disaster.

I also realise that the FSA have no hope in hell of controlling the Salafists and that within months any secular government that might be installed will be overthrown by Jihadis and as a result the Shiites, Christians and Kurds will be rounded up and slaughtered by the Sunni extremists, like they already are being in rebel held areas in Syria!

If you don't understand the actual issues at play in Syria, don't try and preach about "right and wrong" because you haven't a ****ing notion what you are ****ing on about.

Of the current potential winners of the civil war, Assad is THE LEAST WORST OPTION.

If Qatar and Saudi stop supporting the Salafists they war ends IN WEEKS.

That is what the international community should be pushing for, ending the war as quickly as possible and then engaging Assad.
Assad has already said he will hold open elections with international observers if the fighting ceases. Hold him to his word, let the regime change politically, trying to fund the rebels, who are, frankly, having their arses handed to them on a daily bases for the last few months, is the single stupidst option available in this war and only means it drags on and on and more people die. Without foreign intervention from Qatar and Saudi this war would already be over.

I never said Napalm was a chemical weapon. I indicated that he used it to kill children hence any weapon possible is doable for him to kill at will. He has levelled cities already.

This is quite intriguing. How do you know BEFORE the UN report that Assad has never used chemical weapons? A full 2 days before the report is revealed, do you have a direct link to the UN inspectors

?

No need to preach to me son, I know full well whats going on in Syria.

Assad is not the least worst option. There is secular opposition still evident despite all the media hype about Al-Nusra.

Assad has promised electoral reform for countless years and yet after 100,000 dead, you trust him to hold his word? Unreal:(

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