SYRIA WAR MEGATHREAD - Mod Note First Post

Karl Stein · 30-08-2013 09:07AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's your first mistake right there.

Yeah, you're right. I was watching it to get the weather and got drawn in.

force eleven · 30-08-2013 09:11AM

Dear old Paddy Ashdown nearly crying this morning has made my day.

Fratton Fred · 30-08-2013 09:13AM

myshirt wrote: »

They had all the missiles lined up and ready to go. What are they going to do with them now?

You wouldn't want to be a badger this week. It's not looking good.

I wouldn't want to be a badger any week to be honest.

old_aussie · 30-08-2013 09:14AM

View Poll Results: What level of support should be given to the rebels in Syria None, they should be left to the own devices. 106

Winning by a long shot.

Hoop66 · 30-08-2013 09:37AM

So Cameron recalled parliament to have what he thought was going to be his big statesman moment; only to have his arse handed to him, with a good bit of help from his own side?

Splendid.

sin_city · 30-08-2013 10:04AM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Pulled out of Iraq, pulling out of Afghanistan, bad relations with Pakistan

Operation "surround Iran" not going too well. I guess they want Syria as some sort of consolation prize.

You're right...America has no influence in Afghanistan or Iraq now that they have both turned to democracy....lol

Read a history book please....do yourself that at least.....learn about what happened in Iran with BP in the 1950s.

Syria has a defence agreement with Iran. The BS about Iran developing a nuke wasn't working so they are trying to antagonise Iran by getting to Syria.

You did't listen to what General Clark said after 2001 did you?....No, I didn't think so.

Jonny7 · 30-08-2013 11:00AM

sin_city wrote: »

Syria has a defence agreement with Iran. The BS about Iran developing a nuke wasn't working so they are trying to antagonise Iran by getting to Syria.

*pokes Syria with a stick

"Whatcha gonna do Iran, huh, whatcha gonna do about it"

Awesome plan

donegal_road · 30-08-2013 03:20PM

@Jonny7, could you explain your post #184 again to me please, what you were talking about went totally over my head.. it was in response to the video clip I posted, of General Clark.. cheers

Here is a screenshot of the post.

RobertKK · 30-08-2013 06:35PM

Watched John Kerry there, thinking he was Colin Powell before the Iraq invasion.
I swear he nearly said the US was God as he kept saying "we know", they know everything apparently.

But then I wondered if they really did know everything when he said 'the US cares about humanity'.

Judgement Day · 30-08-2013 06:49PM

Black day for the 'special' relationship. While I still can't make up my mind about what should be done, a schism between the US and its key European ally sends out all the wrong signals. The only thing the French have mastered since 1066 is the art of surrendering, so I hope that the US won't rely on them when it comes to action.

seanie_c · 30-08-2013 06:53PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Watched John Kerry there, thinking he was Colin Powell before the Iraq invasion.
I swear he nearly said the US was God as he kept saying "we know", they know everything apparently.

But then I wondered if they really did know everything when he said 'the US cares about humanity'.

John Boy is Israel's flunky, he's a bootlicker and good friend of Benjamin Netanyahu.

Back in 1996, Benji and Richard Perle published a document called: A Clean Break: A New Strategy For Securing the Realm

In it, they proposed containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare...exactly what we see happening right now.

Any attack by America will be largely symbolic because it only benefits The House of Saud, Qatar and Israel.

Nodin · 30-08-2013 07:06PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Black day for the 'special' relationship. While I still can't make up my mind about what should be done, a schism between the US and its key European ally sends out all the wrong signals. The only thing the French have mastered since 1066 is the art of surrendering, so I hope that the US won't rely on them when it comes to action.

....the usual clichéd bollocks about France has arrived, I see.

Karl Stein · 30-08-2013 07:12PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Black day for the 'special' relationship.

I'm not British but if I was I'd be well pleased and describe it as a good day for British democracy and a refreshing break from the usual heeling to US wishes.

a schism between the US and its key European ally sends out all the wrong signals.

what wrong signals and to whom?

The only thing the French have mastered since 1066 is the art of surrendering,

One of the 5 most statistically full-of-shit national stereotypes.

Judgement Day · 30-08-2013 07:16PM

Nodin wrote: »

....the usual clichéd bollocks about France has arrived, I see.

Well since France is a friend of the current regime in Syria I await their contribution with interest.

donegal_road · 30-08-2013 07:18PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Black day for the 'special' relationship. While I still can't make up my mind about what should be done, a schism between the US and its key European ally sends out all the wrong signals. The only thing the French have mastered since 1066 is the art of surrendering, so I hope that the US won't rely on them when it comes to action.

Looks like those 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' may be Yankee Doodles new best friend after all

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Judgement Day · 30-08-2013 07:23PM

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

I'm not British but if I was I'd be well pleased and describe it as a good day for British democracy and a refreshing break from the usual heeling to US wishes.

I agree it was a good day for democracy but not for the US/UK 'special' relationship.

what wrong signals and to whom?

Iran, Syria, China, Russia and any other rogue states that hate the West.

One of the 5 most statistically full-of-shit national stereotypes.

As for my quip about 1066, I only stuck it in to get the expected reaction from the usual quarters. However, in fairness, since 1939 France's military history is not exactly littered with famous victories.

Karl Stein · 30-08-2013 07:47PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

I agree it was a good day for democracy but not for the US/UK 'special' relationship.

There are no 'buts'. Britain is either a democracy or not - **** the special interests. Is there anyone left who thinks Tony Blair's war, which the majority of British people were against, was a good decision?

Iran, Syria, China, Russia and any other rogue states that hate the West.

I couldn't be bothered giving history lessons on who the rogue states have been recently and who's been wreaking havoc in the region since WWII - suffice to say it isn't Russia and China.

in fairness, since 1939 France's military history is not exactly littered with famous victories.

1939 is a convenient point in history to choose.

thisonetaken · 30-08-2013 07:58PM

Morally, attacking the syrian government is the right thing to do, but it costs too much. When the US liberated Iraq they should of taken Iraqi oil to pay for the cost of doing so. Instead like saps they picked up the tab themselves now they're broke and can't save any more countries from evil dictators.

Nodin · 30-08-2013 07:59PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Well since France is a friend of the current regime in Syria I await their contribution with interest.

Funny sort of friend.....

France is still ready to take action in Syria alongside the US, despite UK MPs blocking British involvement, President Francois Hollande has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23897775

Judgement Day wrote:

As for my quip about 1066, I only stuck it in to get the expected reaction
from the usual quarters

Posting Flamebait? Dear o dear. I don't believe you though. I'd say you just threw it in as a bit of casual xenophobic "hurr hurr" crap without much thought at all.

Nodin · 30-08-2013 07:59PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Morally, attacking the syrian government is the right thing to do, but it costs too much. When the US liberated Iraq they should of taken Iraqi oil to pay for the cost of doing so. Instead like saps they picked up the tab themselves now they're broke and can't save any more countries from evil dictators.

...makes so little sense....brain hurting now.....

thisonetaken · 30-08-2013 08:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

...makes so little sense....brain hurting now.....

War costs money. US don't have money.

30-08-2013 08:11PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Morally, attacking the syrian government is the right thing to do, but it costs too much. When the US liberated Iraq they should of taken Iraqi oil to pay for the cost of doing so. Instead like saps they picked up the tab themselves now they're broke and can't save any more countries from evil dictators.

Trolling ya??

thisonetaken · 30-08-2013 08:13PM

JackD9922 wrote: »

Trolling ya??

Explain how would that be trolling

Nodin · 30-08-2013 08:15PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Explain how would that be trolling

....saying the US "liberated" Iraq...saying they would have been justified in taking Iraqi oil for said 'liberation'.....implying they have something against "evil dictators" per se.....

Karl Stein · 30-08-2013 08:16PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

When the US liberated Iraq.....

What an incredible disconnect from reality.

thisonetaken · 30-08-2013 08:19PM

Nodin wrote: »

....saying the US "liberated" Iraq...saying they would have been justified in taking Iraqi oil for said 'liberation'.....implying they have something against "evil dictators" per se.....

Are you trying to say the majority of Iraqi's wanted Sadam to stay in power? The reality is the US gave them something infinity more valuable than oil, they gave them freedom. The US deserved to have their costs covered for doing so.

Renegade Mechanic · 30-08-2013 08:20PM

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

What an incredible disconnect from reality.

That cant have been serious..

Nodin · 30-08-2013 08:23PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Are you trying to say the majority of Iraqi's wanted Sadam to stay in power? The reality is the US gave them something infinity more valuable than oil, they gave them freedom. The US deserved to have their costs covered for doing so.

...hehehe. Gas. So to speak.

Renegade Mechanic · 30-08-2013 08:25PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Are you trying to say the majority of Iraqi's wanted Sadam to stay in power? The reality is the US gave them something infinity more valuable than oil, they gave them freedom. The US deserved to have their costs covered for doing so.

They gave them a mass increase in suicide attacks.
Depleted uranium.
Poisoned and unsafe Land.
An economy, second only to Somalias.
Sure. They were indeed free to accept it..
And it had nothing to do with the man in charge, or the oil he was sitting on. Only how he was selling it. America did not invade Iraq for the benefit of the Iraqis.

30-08-2013 08:33PM

thisonetaken wrote: »

Explain how would that be trolling

''Morally, attacking the syrian government is the right thing to do''

Based on what grounds?? We dont know if there were chemical weapons used, not to mention who used them.

''it cost too much''
The US goverment currently spend 1.5 trillion on millitary, half of their overall budget. They are set and ready to go, all they need is an excuse

''When the US liberated Iraq''
Yes, because liberation is certainly the word I would use.
Iraq is in tatters, it is worse off now then before with Saddam.

''they should of taken Iraqi oil to pay for the cost of doing so''
Foreign corporations have taken all the oil including Haliburton, Mobil Oil, Exxon and Shell. They are sucking them dry.
Thats why they went in the first place.

You say the removing the Assad regime is morally right yet invaded a country and plundering its resources isnt??

'' Instead like saps they picked up the tab themselves now they're broke''
They are broke for a number of reasons, it was not the Iraq war's doing

''can't save any more countries from evil dictators.''
Yes because the US is all about humanity and saving the world LOL

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