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Farming Chit Chat II

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  • #7292
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    bbam wrote: »
    Our engineering teacher begged me to go on and do it but I had my Mind set on other things.

    Funny enough I was 1/2 thinking about teaching, engineering was my strongest subject and I mentioned it to my engineering teacher, He told me straightout that I was better off getting a straight engineering degree and go get a "better" job, and that I was "above" teaching as such ha. I'd say it was just a case of the grass is always greener to him then ha! But after thankfully surviving my 2ndary school with a decent leaving cert (only 4or 5 out of our class of 60 made it to college!!!), on hindsight I did go to a fairly sh&te school, and now that I'm in my late 20s and the big bad world and all that has hit, there is no way in hell I'd survive trying to deal with little sh%tes giving me cheek every day ha!


  • #7293
    naughto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭naughto


    Conmaicne Mara wrote: »
    Every job has it's perk. Farming you're your own boss. Teaching is Summer holidays.

    Three people you can't or maybe shouldn't talk money to, farmers, teachers, and nurses.
    dont get me started on nurses my wife is one and they have to put up with a lot more sh1te than the teachers.did you no that the head fellas of the hospital get a bonus to his pay if can safe money by closing beds in the hospitals.
    with closed beds they safe very little money as the docs and nurses that work on the closed ward and just moved to another one.
    he is putting people lifes as risk just to safe money and make money for him selves,the number of people on trilles that is realsed to the media is also a joke they are pushed in to any gap so there not seen and what cant be seen cant be counted.
    this is just a small bit of sh1te that goes on in the hospitals


  • #7294
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Juniorhurler wrote: »
    I think Moy they keep it on me:-D.

    Not really. 99.9% of youngsters are bang on, even ones who the parents do all in their power to destroy. Also my subjects are enjoyed by the vast majority and seen as a welcome break from the grind of acadaemia so that does help.

    I remember my woodwork teacher tumbling me out of the bench when I said I was more interested in opening G strings instead of G cramps . In fairness he laughed the first few times but it must've got on his nerves eventually :D


  • #7295
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    hugo29 wrote: »
    LATE october, Id be hoping for the middle of november,

    serious covers starting to build up on aftergrass,

    I cannot understand it. We are told by the experts ted out your silage. Get as high dm as possible. Also told extend the grazing season. but Surely cattle out grazing in late oct /November must be
    eating grass with very low dm.


  • #7296
    Juniorhurler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    Young Moy your cross dressing is nothing to do with this lesson, now can we get back on topic please.:-P

    Far more effective against a hormonal teenager in front of twenty others than a tumble.


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  • #7297
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Juniorhurler wrote: »
    Young Moy your cross dressing is nothing to do with this lesson, now can we get back on topic please.:-P

    Far more effective against a hormonal teenager in front of twenty others than a tumble.

    .......but there are so many funny innuendos to slip into a conversation with the teacher or students. Woodwork. Of all things woodwork. You could at least give me something difficult to work with like Irish!!:rolleyes:


  • #7298
    Juniorhurler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    Kovu Murr wrote: »
    .......but there are so many funny innuendos to slip into a conversation with the teacher or students. Woodwork. Of all things woodwork. You could at least give me something difficult to work with like Irish!!:rolleyes:

    I'd say I have heard the most of them Kovu. I have been asked ten million times "Sir, do you like wood?"


  • #7299
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Juniorhurler wrote: »
    Young Moy your cross dressing is nothing to do with this lesson, now can we get back on topic please.:-P

    Far more effective against a hormonal teenager in front of twenty others than a tumble.

    Touche Sir


  • #7300
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Juniorhurler wrote: »
    I'd say I have heard the most of them Kovu. I have been asked ten million times "Sir, do you like wood?"

    So any gory injuries? I remember one tool in our year chopping her wrist open with a chisel.


  • #7301
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭mf240


    I couldn't imagine teaching, I didn't even like other kids when I was one myself.

    I think farming is a better job than a lot of us are prepared to admit.

    Sure the money is middling but the the lifestyle is something money can't buy.


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  • #7302
    johnpawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭johnpawl


    bbam wrote: »
    Agree.


    There's a program in UL, 18 months that someone with your degree might qualify for to become a practical teacher. Be well worth taking 18 months off your current job in lieu of the windfall to follow!!!


  • #7303
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,145 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Went for an unexpected dip this evening.
    Was missing 7 weanlings this evening. Wouldn't have known only I wanted to see how a ffeild I sprayed for ragwort was getting on (badly by the way).

    Eventually found them and got them seperated from the neighbours heifers then 2 of them broke on me. got the other 5 down into the river and drove them 150 meters in water that ranged from ankle high to crotch depth. Good job I took the phone out of my pocket!

    Write off of an evening!


  • #7304
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    Kovu Murr wrote: »
    So any gory injuries? I remember one tool in our year chopping her wrist open with a chisel.

    That's what you get for giving a chisel to a woman, (exit stage left)


  • #7305
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    Juniorhurler wrote: »
    I'd say I have heard the most of them Kovu. I have been asked ten million times "Sir, do you like wood?"

    Junior would you be a woodwork teacher in moyross, now that would be fun,


  • #7306
    Juniorhurler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    No, but I was in a school in my 1st year out that wasn't much better. My youthful naivety was probably all that saved me.


  • #7307
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Went for an unexpected dip this evening.
    Was missing 7 weanlings this evening. Wouldn't have known only I wanted to see how a ffeild I sprayed for ragwort was getting on (badly by the way).


    Write off of an evening!
    what did you spray them with and when?


  • #7308
    Figerty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭Figerty


    johnpawl wrote: »
    bbam wrote: »
    Agree.


    There's a program in UL, 18 months that someone with your degree might qualify for to become a practical teacher. Be well worth taking 18 months off your current job in lieu of the windfall to follow!!!


    3 reasons to become a teacher.., June, July and August?

    Problem is the other 9 can be hell if you are only in it for the holidays. Then again you might eventually qualify for a Mad, Sad, or Bad early retirement scheme if you survive long enough.

    I know a good few who tried to get into the that course. It's a lot more rigorous than just filling up a form and away you go.


  • #7309
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    Maybe I'm putting my point across wrong..
    I have the height of respect for teachers and the job they do..
    Yes it can be a tough job, but I don't accept its any harder than many other jobs out there..
    Yes kids can be trying on the nerves, but for years I managed 30+ maintenance technicians, regularly they would squabble, refuse to talk to each other, refuse to work with each other, throw stuff at each other, hit each other, shout at me, threaten to hit me and even cry (i kid you not).

    I'm not having a go at the teachers, the way their jobs are administered allows them enormous perks that from my perspective the job just doesn't deserve. I would care less if they were in a private organisation, but the fact that the tax payers pay the teachers to be on extended summer holidays where they have no responsibilities whatsoever - its just not right. Undefendable is what I would class it as. But the fact that their numbers are so large the unions will back them to the last man and the government haven't the spine to tackle it (probably because they have mad holidays too).

    And the point of "why didn't you become a teacher then if its so good" is mute. It wouldn't be any fairer on the tax payer to be paying me to have 3 months summer holidays plus every single other holiday imaginable off.

    The system is just wrong!


  • #7310
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,145 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    whelan1 wrote: »
    what did you spray them with and when?

    d-50 at 1.5 times the recomended rate about 2 weeks ago


  • #7311
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    d-50 at 1.5 times the recomended rate about 2 weeks ago

    i sprayed a field with rushes and ragwort with mortone about 4 weeks ago, the fcukers are dying but it took a while


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  • #7312
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    hugo29 wrote: »
    i sprayed a field with rushes and ragwort with mortone about 4 weeks ago, the fcukers are dying but it took a while

    Just goes to show how tough rushes are...
    Even with the gallup in the weed licker.. it takes 6-8 weeks to get a good kill.

    I sprayed some briars and gorse yesterday evening with Grazon 90 in a back sprayer, wanted them gone so I went right to the maximum 16ml / Litre. Have never used it before, the guy in the store said it's the only man for briars... how long should I expect to wait before they die off..??


  • #7313
    Conmaicne Mara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭Conmaicne Mara


    It's great stuff on furze, never used it on briars don't have that problem. Can't remember how long it'll take, but it will kill them. They reckon if you let the furze go brown, say for a year, then burn them it's the best way. You will germinate a lot of the seeds that the furze made that way, spray again and it's supposed to be the best long term job.


  • #7314
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    Conmaicne Mara wrote: »
    It's great stuff on furze, never used it on briars don't have that problem. Can't remember how long it'll take, but it will kill them. They reckon if you let the furze go brown, say for a year, then burn them it's the best way. You will germinate a lot of the seeds that the furze made that way, spray again and it's supposed to be the best long term job.

    Can't burn the furze as they are on a main boundary ditch.

    Briars are real cnuts, constantly growing onto the electric fence. And I have some along my lane which will get the same dose.


  • #7315
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Think you might still be getting your point across wrong?

    These people chose to be teachers, just like you chose not to be a teacher and to take a different career path. They knew at the time of choosing that there were good holidays, you knew that you were facing 21 days. Just because you choose your path and you only get 21 days does not mean that their holidays should be cut to match yours.

    Hours in school per year is quite standard all over the world. You can't send a child to school for 39 hours per week all year long with just 21 days holidays in total. If you have less school holidays, then school days will be shorter. How would working people with children cope?

    On a side note, my OH is a teacher. She was a reader for exams for most of June. She'll get about €800 extra in pay for it - 50% of this will be taken in tax and the €400 will barely cover her travel costs. In early july she spent 2 weeks doing out her lesson plans for the whole year ahead and correcting summer tests. She had 2 weeks off. She has been busy for the whole month of August. She is the Career Guidance Teacher for the school (unpaid). She is qualified, but guidance hours were cut from the schools last year so she does it voluntary. She has spent 2 days per week in the school for the last 4 weeks meeting students, advising them on courses, sorting out CAO stuff, interpreting LC results and guiding them and for the last week she had been going in with students checking scripts.

    3 months holidays my hole. She works hard for every penny that she gets and every day's holidays that she gets and anyone that says she doesn't is a fool!
    bbam wrote: »
    Maybe I'm putting my point across wrong..
    I have the height of respect for teachers and the job they do..
    Yes it can be a tough job, but I don't accept its any harder than many other jobs out there..
    Yes kids can be trying on the nerves, but for years I managed 30+ maintenance technicians, regularly they would squabble, refuse to talk to each other, refuse to work with each other, throw stuff at each other, hit each other, shout at me, threaten to hit me and even cry (i kid you not).

    I'm not having a go at the teachers, the way their jobs are administered allows them enormous perks that from my perspective the job just doesn't deserve. I would care less if they were in a private organisation, but the fact that the tax payers pay the teachers to be on extended summer holidays where they have no responsibilities whatsoever - its just not right. Undefendable is what I would class it as. But the fact that their numbers are so large the unions will back them to the last man and the government haven't the spine to tackle it (probably because they have mad holidays too).

    And the point of "why didn't you become a teacher then if its so good" is mute. It wouldn't be any fairer on the tax payer to be paying me to have 3 months summer holidays plus every single other holiday imaginable off.

    The system is just wrong!


  • #7316
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    bbam wrote: »
    Just goes to show how tough rushes are...
    Even with the gallup in the weed licker.. it takes 6-8 weeks to get a good kill.

    I sprayed some briars and gorse yesterday evening with Grazon 90 in a back sprayer, wanted them gone so I went right to the maximum 16ml / Litre. Have never used it before, the guy in the store said it's the only man for briars... how long should I expect to wait before they die off..??

    kills briars in about 1-2 weeks, mighty stuff grazon 90


  • #7317
    Midlandsman80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Midlandsman80


    I id somewhere in the middle of above, if every teacher puts in the effort your other half does Reilig then I think there would be not one person in the country “teacher bashing”, I am sure BBAM would agree. But there are too many bad teachers that are never going to be held to account, and other than being sacked they are assigned to the less academically able classes/kids in schools which just compounds these kids challenges (while the best teachers are assigned to higher achieving classes). It’s crazy that schools/unions protect brutal teachers seeing as the impact on hundreds of kids 3 or 4 of them in a school for 20+ years could have, its not an exaggeration to say that two terrible teachers could the difference between inspiring a child to be their best in life or the dole…
    I was lucky in school to have brilliant teachers, my brother was not, I honestly done a much better job giving grinds to him and some of his mates before their JC and LC, I was in 17 giving them grinds for JC, I knew their teachers and they were Jokes….and are still destroying lives…sounds OTT but I really don’t think it is…


  • #7318
    AntrimGlens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭AntrimGlens


    Spent a fun time last night - i needed to get under my parents concrete laneway to access the electric box to bring the cable back to my house. Father said no way was i digging up the laneway as it was all stone ditches used as hardfill before the concrete was laid and i'll end up excavating half the lane before i'll be finished. So after much head scratching and ringing around i got three 4 metre lengths of steel that were used on a drilling rig - these were threaded on one end and screwed together and we pushed them through with a 12t digger. after about three feet we hit solid rock and the digger was being pushed backwards as it was sitting down below the laneway, but just when we were about to give up the stone or whatever it was moved and we got right through to the hole we dug on the other side. you shoulda seen the bend on those drilling rods at times i was expecting an almighty ping and me lying on my back seeing stars.

    cost - digger two hours @£;30hr and £30 for the scrap price for the steels as opposed to £550 for a drilling rig. reminded me of when i worked for a drilling outfit in oz doing under road bores at night - great crack altogether and most satisfying


  • #7319
    JohnBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭JohnBoy


    reilig wrote: »

    3 months holidays my hole. She works hard for every penny that she gets and every day's holidays that she gets and anyone that says she doesn't is a fool!

    And if she was the rule rather than the exception then no-one would be complaining..

    but the reality is she's not.

    Would she say she's carrying a fair share of that extra load in the school? odds are herself and maybe a few more like her doing 80% + of the extra workload?


    In my standard irish 12 year school cycle I saw the same. all summer long you'd see the same few cars in the car park every year


  • #7320
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    And if she was the rule rather than the exception then no-one would be complaining..

    but the reality is she's not.

    Would she say she's carrying a fair share of that extra load in the school? odds are herself and maybe a few more like her doing 80% + of the extra workload?


    In my standard irish 12 year school cycle I saw the same. all summer long you'd see the same few cars in the car park every year
    this goes back to my point that it is extremely hard to get rid of a bad teacher... my sister is a university lecturer, her first few years in that job where spent doing her job plus the job of another lecturer who just didnt bother, she worked all hours, eventually he was reprimanded... in my kids school the teachers are brilliant except for one, no corrections done, my kids work really slipped,no pe, kids just didnt care anymore, it happened that between some of my kids they had her 3 years on the trot...i followed dept of education guidelines, went to teacher, then to principal, then to b.o.m. seriously there are people who would give anything to have her job and she just doesnt care... the whole system is wrong... she is being paid the same as the teachers who are putting in the work


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  • #7321
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    whelan1 wrote: »
    this goes back to my point that it is extremely hard to get rid of a bad teacher... my sister is a university lecturer, her first few years in that job where spent doing her job plus the job of another lecturer who just didnt bother, she worked all hours, eventually he was reprimanded... in my kids school the teachers are brilliant except for one, no corrections done, my kids work really slipped,no pe, kids just didnt care anymore, it happened that between some of my kids they had her 3 years on the trot...i followed dept of education guidelines, went to teacher, then to principal, then to b.o.m. seriously there are people who would give anything to have her job and she just doesnt care... the whole system is wrong... she is being paid the same as the teachers who are putting in the work

    You'll never see proper (if any) performance managment in the public/civil service.

    There is no appetite to introduce it and the unions would fight it all the way. The civil/public servant numbers are so high that the governments just don't want to tackle the thorny issues.


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