Hatred of animal abuse

pragmatic1 · 25-08-2013 04:02AM

I strongly dislike cruelty fullstop. Brings on the red mist.

Push Pop · 25-08-2013 06:00AM

I can handle some pretty horrific liveleak videos but the ones of the dogs in china being abused and skinned alive made me physically ill. There were links to these on boards here that I first discovered it. My world opinions are tarnished based on this and rightly so.

Coopaloop · 25-08-2013 06:30AM

The abuse of helpless animals disgusts me,as would abuse of children or the elderly,all are dependable on us humans for food,shelter and protection.
I try my best to avoid reading about or seeing pictures of abused animals, and 99% of the time this abuse goes unpunished. I would group there abusers along with murderers,rapists and all the other scum on this earth.

The thing that really makes my blood boil tho is when someone compares a rapist or murderer to an animal as in they 'acted like an animal'. No animal would ever do the things that we humans have 'evolved' into doing.

meoklmrk91 · 25-08-2013 06:49AM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

A lot of people I've talked to about this couldn't care less about a stranger being hit on a night out for example, and possibly ending up with a broken nose or whatever. Yet if a stray dog was laced a kick or had something thrown at it there'd be uproar among many of them and some would nearly physically assault the aggressor.

It's a strange one!

I don't think it is really, most people, who would be attacked on a night out would be perfectly capable of throwing a few slaps or atleast they'd have friends that could stop whatever is happening in its tracks. For this reason I don't think this is a strange one.

Many a dog has been abused without giving so much as a growl. They are defenceless when you think about it if they aren't the kind to turn around and give a bite and even then humans are far more capable.

Anyone who is capable of being abusive to an animal is perfectly capable of being abusive towards a child or any other human. They, by being abusive to an animal, show a complete and utter disregard to the feelings and sensibilities of another living creature, one that depends on humans for its survival. There is a reason that many serial killers first start out with animals.

It is my own personal belief that anyone who abuses a dependant, be they animal, child, elderly person or disabled, should be dealt with in a very serious manner indeed. The "a sure it's only an animal" is very dangerous in my opinion as really it's only a precursor as to what they will do to their fellow human in the future, animal abuse should be dealt with in a very serious manner.

PickledLime · 25-08-2013 07:54AM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

... whereas I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at humans being attacked or beaten up, provided they weren't elderly or children...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8ndn3hqg-Y

Sunnyisland · 25-08-2013 08:07AM

My personal opinion is that abuse, neglect or mistreatment of babies and children is the absolute pinnacle of evil, sadistic, revolting behavior, because of the complete helplessness and dependency of the victim, closely followed by the elderly, cruelty/abuse to animals would come after that, for much the same reason.

oldyouth · 25-08-2013 09:02AM

The very nature of abuse is that fear or hurt is being inflicted in an unequal contest. Why are people confining exceptions of human abuse being worse to the elderly or children? It can happen to any seemingly capable adult too.

If you had a window to watch genuine human abuse, as well as animal abuse, then anyone who thinks the latter is worse is one sad fuk

Siosleis · 25-08-2013 09:14AM

Never trust a human who does not like animals...

WindSock · 25-08-2013 09:14AM

Only the cute fluffy ones.

kfk · 25-08-2013 09:30AM

Humans are classed as animals btw.

Sunnyisland · 25-08-2013 09:39AM

At the moment the poll shows more people are more angry with the abuse of animals than humans, don't get that at all.

Is CUMA liom. · 25-08-2013 10:39AM

The strange thing is charity's will get twice as much donations if they show a picture of a starving animal rather than a starving child.

kfk · 25-08-2013 11:17AM

If the thought of a person being abused makes an individual angry and the thought of cat being abused makes that individual angrier then IMO that individual has a warped mind!

Nailz · 25-08-2013 11:18AM

It depends on what level of abuse the human is getting to be fair, and whether I know or have affection for that person.

But in situations were the human or dog (or whatever) is a stranger to me; seeing a dog get kicked makes my blood boil a hell of a lot more than it would if it had been a human.

kfk · 25-08-2013 11:23AM

Nailz wrote: »

But in situations were the human or dog (or whatever) is a stranger to me; seeing a dog get kicked makes my blood boil a hell of a lot more than it would if it had been a human.

Why?

smurgen · 25-08-2013 11:26AM

realies wrote: »

At the moment the poll shows more people are more angry with the abuse of animals than humans, don't get that at all.

Me neither.humans are more self aware and can rationalize better than animals,our brains are more powerful.when something terrible happens to us it must affect us more.we have a wider range of emotions.

seamus · 25-08-2013 11:29AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Anyone who is capable of being abusive to an animal is perfectly capable of being abusive towards a child or any other human. They, by being abusive to an animal, show a complete and utter disregard to the feelings and sensibilities of another living creature, one that depends on humans for its survival. There is a reason that many serial killers first start out with animals.

This. Callously causing suffering to an animal (or a child) requires a extra level of vicious cruelty. Attacking an adult, you can rationalise it to yourself, tell yourself they're not that innocent, etc.

I lump cruelty towards animals and children broadly into the same category because they share the same basic issue - it's causing deliberate harm and pain to another being which is functionally incapable of understanding what's occurring or dealing with the fear and anger that may accompany it.

You only need to be a bastard to attack another adult, but you need to be a proper evil ****er to attack a child or an animal.

Nailz · 25-08-2013 11:30AM

kfk wrote: »

Why?

I don't know why to be honest, I think it might be something to with our perception of dogs and similar animals as innocent and honest creatures with great affection for those who look after them, and of course their inability to defend themselves.

smurgen · 25-08-2013 11:35AM

realies wrote: »

My personal opinion is that abuse, neglect or mistreatment of babies and children is the absolute pinnacle of evil, sadistic, revolting behavior, because of the complete helplessness and dependency of the victim, closely followed by the elderly, cruelty/abuse to animals would come after that, for much the same reason.

Pretty much exactly how I feel.the idea of a person being abused as a child sickens me,ruining a persons life before it began and leaving them have to deal with it as they get older.as does an elderly person being abused,the last few years if a persons life destroyed and tarnished because some sick cu*t has a warped brain.any person convicted of either should be quarantined from society and never left back in.

justforlaugh · 25-08-2013 11:38AM

Hate abuse of animals, old people, children and women.

men... not too bothered

kfk · 25-08-2013 12:20PM

In certain circumstances, some light physical disciplining is needed when dealing with animals. Should never turn to sustained abuse though.

Chattastrophe! · 25-08-2013 12:37PM

I don't even particularly like animals, and I still think it's totally f*cked up when people hurt them whether through abuse or neglect.

If someone's capable of doing it to an animal, I believe they'd be perfectly capable of treating another human being in the same way. So I guess, in my view, one is as bad as the other.

steddyeddy · 25-08-2013 12:53PM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Is it just me or is the physical abuse of animals much more frowned upon than the physical abuse of humans?

Personally, physical abuse of animals, dogs in particular, boils my blood whereas I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at humans being attacked or beaten up, provided they weren't elderly or children.

Maybe it's because they're more helpless than people and can't speak out.

What does AH think? Which angers you more/if at all?

No I wouldn't think so. Humans are animals and the hatred of abuse of any animal stems from empathy with that creature. I have more empathy for humans generally because I am one!

steddyeddy · 25-08-2013 12:55PM

seamus wrote: »

This. Callously causing suffering to an animal (or a child) requires a extra level of vicious cruelty. Attacking an adult, you can rationalise it to yourself, tell yourself they're not that innocent, etc.

I lump cruelty towards animals and children broadly into the same category because they share the same basic issue - it's causing deliberate harm and pain to another being which is functionally incapable of understanding what's occurring or dealing with the fear and anger that may accompany it.

You only need to be a bastard to attack another adult, but you need to be a proper evil ****er to attack a child or an animal.

That's it completely and the abuser or animals often feel it's their right to do it which is equally sickening.

Son Of A Vidic · 25-08-2013 01:09PM

Roose wrote: »

There's an honesty and purity in animals that people sympathise with.
I'd rather get a kick in the hole than someone doing it to my dog.
Probably because I feel I could come to terms with it better, whereas my dog would be scared and confused.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. But RE: kicking your dog? My German Shepherds would just love it, if some knacker tried to kick them.

Whispered · 25-08-2013 01:18PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. But RE: kicking your dog? My German Shepherds would just love it, if some knacker tried to kick them.

My dogs, would feel the same fear and confusion as a traditionally "soft" breed like a small fluffy.

It's the whole idea of the victim having absolutely no way of defending themselves or getting out of the situation that bothers me when it comes to child and animal abuse.

Son Of A Vidic · 25-08-2013 01:38PM

Whispered wrote: »

My dogs, would feel the same fear and confusion as a traditionally "soft" breed like a small fluffy.

It's the whole idea of the victim having absolutely no way of defending themselves or getting out of the situation that bothers me when it comes to child and animal abuse.

I didn't intend my post to be interpreted as a my dogs are big and hard. But I do know what you're saying. They are big babies with me, my friends & family. But they will protect their pack without hesitation. Unfortunately, bullies will always pick on the soft target, whether that target be human or animal.

JamJamJamJam · 25-08-2013 02:11PM

Emotionally, abuse of people generally has a much greater effect on me. I think I'm a bit desensitized to animal suffering. Disregarding emotions, I think both are awful and never acceptable. I'm a vegetarian (leaning towards veganism), not because I personally feel any strong emotions about what the meat industry does, but because it doesn't slot in with any decent model of ethics or logic. That makes me sound like a robot :P

But yeah, I really can't stand the sight of a person being beaten or abused

Smithwicks Man · 25-08-2013 03:03PM

justforlaugh wrote: »

Hate abuse of animals, old people, children and women.

men... not too bothered

Hmm.. 4 pages in... Didn't take long!

Pretty sure this is a trolling post looking for a reaction

Ten of Swords · 29-08-2013 10:17PM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

It is my own personal belief that anyone who abuses a dependant, be they animal, child, elderly person or disabled, should be dealt with in a very serious manner indeed.

Regardless of which is deemed worse, abuse of animals or abuse of people, the penalties the courts hand out are worlds apart.

I can't think of too many cases where jail has been given for cruelty to animals - the guy that threw the rabbit into the liffey got a jail sentence and there's a story in the media today in which a man in the UK received 20 weeks for repeatedly shooting his dog in the head with an air rifle, hitting it with a shovel and leaving it to die in a ditch because he was unable to re-home it. The dog was found alive three days later.

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It doesn't seem fair or sensible that the law doesn't see fit to really punish those that abuse animals when sentences for the abuse of people are often very severe.

Hatred of animal abuse

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