Hatred of animal abuse

Smithwicks Man

Is it just me or is the physical abuse of animals much more frowned upon than the physical abuse of humans?

Personally, physical abuse of animals, dogs in particular, boils my blood whereas I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at humans being attacked or beaten up, provided they weren't elderly or children.

Maybe it's because they're more helpless than people and can't speak out.


What does AH think? Which angers you more/if at all?

Crann na Beatha

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Ihatecuddles-old

Human abuse, without a doubt. I'm not a huge animal lover.

Clandestine

Animals aren't comparable to humans at all in my opinion. I'll never understand how people can say that an animal's suffering angers them more than a humans. Maybe its because they are misanthropes and find refuge in animals because they can be more innocent and harmless?

Smithwicks Man

I don't really understand it either. I think it's because of their helplessness. Similar to the way in which child abuse is much worse than abuse of adults to one another imo

Vito Corleone

Abuse of humans would anger me more (both are terrible ofc). I feel sad for people who are unable to understand that humans are more important than animals (a lot of people seem to think that around here :pac:).

Roose

There's an honesty and purity in animals that people sympathise with.
I'd rather get a kick in the hole than someone doing it to my dog.
Probably because I feel I could come to terms with it better, whereas my dog would be scared and confused.

Roose

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Abuse of humans would anger me more (both are terrible ofc). I feel sad for people who are unable to understand that humans are more important than animals (they're common enough around here :pac:).

But we're not, we can't live without them. They could survive without us grand, we're only new to the planet.

Rightwing

Well I hate the phrase 'treated like an animal'

Animals are just that, animals, and are trying to survive in a harsh envrironment.

No abuse, full stop. Anyone caught should be severly dealt with.

Vito Corleone

Roose wrote: »

But we're not, we can't live without them. They could survive without us grand, we're only new to the planet.

Oh dear.

clappyhappy

Hate to see both abused. I love animals especially dogs and if any one abused them I would be livid. But also seeing the children and adults who died in a chemical attack in Syria just boils my blood.
How the rest if the world can sit back and allow this to happen is beyond belief.

Roose

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Oh dear.

Sorry my bad, just saw that you're only a kid.
Back to bed young man!

Vito Corleone

Roose wrote: »

Sorry my bad, just saw that you're only a kid.
Back to bed young man!

I'm 19. :rolleyes: 50% of the forum would be under 23, but lets get back on topic and restore some dignity to this thread. :pac:

ferretone

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Abuse of humans would anger me more (both are terrible ofc). I feel sad for people who don't agree with my opinion

FYP :pac:

Clandestine

ferretone wrote: »

FYP :pac:

Could you explain how animals are more important than humans?

ONeill2013

i hate both, i also hate when a dog or cat gets killed by a speeding driver and then it's automatically the pet owners fault yet if it was a person who got killed the driver gets most of the blame.

ferretone

Clandestine wrote: »

Could you explain how animals are more important than humans?

Sorry, can't find where I said that they were?? :rolleyes:

guppy

I wouldn't do either and I hate both.
But as a mother, my thoughts go to my own son when I hear of child abuse and I just can't imagine how anyone could hurt a defenceless child, so I abhor abuse of people more due to that.

Clandestine

ONeill2013 wrote: »

i hate both, i also hate when a dog or cat gets killed by a speeding driver and then it's automatically the pet owners fault yet if it was a person who got killed the driver gets most of the blame.

I guess because pets are meant to be watched as they are likely to get into trouble and are not as aware of certain dangers than humans? A dog may run across a busy road without looking to get a ball, and so will a child. A grown, intelligent human being wouldn't, therefore the blame is directed at a different source

Clandestine

ferretone wrote: »

Sorry, can't find where I said that they were?? :rolleyes:

I thought your post was insinuating that, my mistake.

DEFTLEFTHAND

'Dumb' animals as in they can't protest against ill treatment. The dog is most at risk from this behaviour as they rely so much on the owner.

A cat won't stand for it. To quote Mark Twain..

'By what right has the dog come to be regarded as a noble animal? The more brutal and cruel and unjust you are to him the more your fawning and adoring slave he becomes, whereas, if you shamefully misuse a cat once she will always maintain a dignified reserve toward you afterward.... You will never get her full confidence again.'

Owen_S

guppy wrote: »

I wouldn't do either and I hate both.
But as a mother, my thoughts go to my own son when I hear of child abuse and I just can't imagine how anyone could hurt a defenceless child, so I abhor abuse of people more due to that.

I think that is the reasoning with the strong hatred of animal abuse, the animals tend to be defenceless and vulnerable, with minimal protection from laws.

ONeill2013

Clandestine wrote: »

I guess because pets are meant to be watched as they are likely to get into trouble and are not as aware of certain dangers than humans? A dog may run across a busy road without looking to get a ball, and so will a child. A grown, intelligent human being wouldn't, therefore the blame is directed at a different source

that's what i'm trying to get at, if a small child gets knocked down by a driver going over the speed limit the driver gets alot of the blame (along with the parents) yet if it was the same situation with an animal the pet owner gets all the blame

Roose

Clandestine wrote: »

Could you explain how animals are more important than humans?

What a ridiculously stupid comparison to make.

Vito Corleone

ferretone wrote: »

FYP :pac:

That should garner you a few thanks, well done.

Seriously though, I was reading a thread not so long ago where people wanted dogs to be allowed on public transport. The inane reasoning from these types was cringe worthy. Their total disregard for other people who may be travelling on buses, not to mention the safety concerns...

But that whole thread is a can of worms best left unopened! :pac:

Smithwicks Man

A lot of people I've talked to about this couldn't care less about a stranger being hit on a night out for example, and possibly ending up with a broken nose or whatever. Yet if a stray dog was laced a kick or had something thrown at it there'd be uproar among many of them and some would nearly physically assault the aggressor.

It's a strange one!

Ace Attorney

Animal,elderly,child abuse would be equally upsetting for me, For me its the thought that they werent able to defend themselves and have an innocent and trusting way about them especially animals and small children.

Roose

I love this whole thing of which is more important, humans or animals.
Important in what sense? And to whom? Humans are certainly not more important to the planet.
And what animals are we more important than?
What's more important actually, an aardvark or a porcupine?

token101

Roose wrote: »

And what animals are we more important than?

The tasty ones

Smithwicks Man

token101 wrote: »

The tasty ones

That was a fantastic response :pac:

guppy

Owen_S wrote: »

I think that is the reasoning with the strong hatred of animal abuse, the animals tend to be defenceless and vulnerable, with minimal protection from laws.

You know what, no form of abuse (I'm excluding consenting adults here) is ok. No defenceless being should be subjected to mental or physical torture or pain, or the fear of same.

The "people" who inflict any of the above are abhorrent and should be shunned.

pragmatic1

I strongly dislike cruelty fullstop. Brings on the red mist.

Push Pop

I can handle some pretty horrific liveleak videos but the ones of the dogs in china being abused and skinned alive made me physically ill. There were links to these on boards here that I first discovered it. My world opinions are tarnished based on this and rightly so.

Coopaloop

The abuse of helpless animals disgusts me,as would abuse of children or the elderly,all are dependable on us humans for food,shelter and protection.
I try my best to avoid reading about or seeing pictures of abused animals, and 99% of the time this abuse goes unpunished. I would group there abusers along with murderers,rapists and all the other scum on this earth.

The thing that really makes my blood boil tho is when someone compares a rapist or murderer to an animal as in they 'acted like an animal'. No animal would ever do the things that we humans have 'evolved' into doing.

meoklmrk91

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

A lot of people I've talked to about this couldn't care less about a stranger being hit on a night out for example, and possibly ending up with a broken nose or whatever. Yet if a stray dog was laced a kick or had something thrown at it there'd be uproar among many of them and some would nearly physically assault the aggressor.

It's a strange one!

I don't think it is really, most people, who would be attacked on a night out would be perfectly capable of throwing a few slaps or atleast they'd have friends that could stop whatever is happening in its tracks. For this reason I don't think this is a strange one.

Many a dog has been abused without giving so much as a growl. They are defenceless when you think about it if they aren't the kind to turn around and give a bite and even then humans are far more capable.

Anyone who is capable of being abusive to an animal is perfectly capable of being abusive towards a child or any other human. They, by being abusive to an animal, show a complete and utter disregard to the feelings and sensibilities of another living creature, one that depends on humans for its survival. There is a reason that many serial killers first start out with animals.

It is my own personal belief that anyone who abuses a dependant, be they animal, child, elderly person or disabled, should be dealt with in a very serious manner indeed. The "a sure it's only an animal" is very dangerous in my opinion as really it's only a precursor as to what they will do to their fellow human in the future, animal abuse should be dealt with in a very serious manner.

PickledLime

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

... whereas I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at humans being attacked or beaten up, provided they weren't elderly or children...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8ndn3hqg-Y

Sunnyisland

My personal opinion is that abuse, neglect or mistreatment of babies and children is the absolute pinnacle of evil, sadistic, revolting behavior, because of the complete helplessness and dependency of the victim, closely followed by the elderly, cruelty/abuse to animals would come after that, for much the same reason.

oldyouth

The very nature of abuse is that fear or hurt is being inflicted in an unequal contest. Why are people confining exceptions of human abuse being worse to the elderly or children? It can happen to any seemingly capable adult too.

If you had a window to watch genuine human abuse, as well as animal abuse, then anyone who thinks the latter is worse is one sad fuk

Siosleis

Never trust a human who does not like animals...

WindSock

Only the cute fluffy ones.

kfk

Humans are classed as animals btw.

Sunnyisland

At the moment the poll shows more people are more angry with the abuse of animals than humans, don't get that at all.

Is CUMA liom.

The strange thing is charity's will get twice as much donations if they show a picture of a starving animal rather than a starving child.

kfk

If the thought of a person being abused makes an individual angry and the thought of cat being abused makes that individual angrier then IMO that individual has a warped mind!

Nailz

It depends on what level of abuse the human is getting to be fair, and whether I know or have affection for that person.

But in situations were the human or dog (or whatever) is a stranger to me; seeing a dog get kicked makes my blood boil a hell of a lot more than it would if it had been a human.

kfk

Nailz wrote: »

But in situations were the human or dog (or whatever) is a stranger to me; seeing a dog get kicked makes my blood boil a hell of a lot more than it would if it had been a human.

Why?

smurgen

realies wrote: »

At the moment the poll shows more people are more angry with the abuse of animals than humans, don't get that at all.

Me neither.humans are more self aware and can rationalize better than animals,our brains are more powerful.when something terrible happens to us it must affect us more.we have a wider range of emotions.

seamus

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Anyone who is capable of being abusive to an animal is perfectly capable of being abusive towards a child or any other human. They, by being abusive to an animal, show a complete and utter disregard to the feelings and sensibilities of another living creature, one that depends on humans for its survival. There is a reason that many serial killers first start out with animals.

This. Callously causing suffering to an animal (or a child) requires a extra level of vicious cruelty. Attacking an adult, you can rationalise it to yourself, tell yourself they're not that innocent, etc.

I lump cruelty towards animals and children broadly into the same category because they share the same basic issue - it's causing deliberate harm and pain to another being which is functionally incapable of understanding what's occurring or dealing with the fear and anger that may accompany it.

You only need to be a bastard to attack another adult, but you need to be a proper evil ****er to attack a child or an animal.

Nailz

kfk wrote: »

Why?

I don't know why to be honest, I think it might be something to with our perception of dogs and similar animals as innocent and honest creatures with great affection for those who look after them, and of course their inability to defend themselves.

smurgen

realies wrote: »

My personal opinion is that abuse, neglect or mistreatment of babies and children is the absolute pinnacle of evil, sadistic, revolting behavior, because of the complete helplessness and dependency of the victim, closely followed by the elderly, cruelty/abuse to animals would come after that, for much the same reason.

Pretty much exactly how I feel.the idea of a person being abused as a child sickens me,ruining a persons life before it began and leaving them have to deal with it as they get older.as does an elderly person being abused,the last few years if a persons life destroyed and tarnished because some sick cu*t has a warped brain.any person convicted of either should be quarantined from society and never left back in.

justforlaugh

Hate abuse of animals, old people, children and women.

men... not too bothered