Irish citizens caught up in the trouble in Egypt.

dharma200 · 18-08-2013 4:56pm

A lot of presuming assuming and guessing there.. I don't know what your particular beef is with these women or why their nationalism or lack of it, their actual choice of location, politics or religion has any bearing in the horrific events going on in Egypt. Regardless of their beliefs etc what is happening there can not be excused and no one can do the 'they brought it in themselves for actually being there' because its not just them , it's hundreds and hundreds of people. The fact they were reported in the press is because of their citizenship I presume, but it seems that you have a real problem with these women and the situation they find themselves in, like they have no right of protest and are asking to be killed like the 600 odd people so far that have been shot, presumably not all of those 600 are extremists terrorist s and a good few of them are maybe not full blown comp,eye Egyptian. You are stating that perhaps these women refused to integrate, and are assuming this all because of their accent, questioning their authenticity... Etc etc... As far as I am concerned they are human beings and should be treated as such. I know a good few Irish who have lived here all their life and sound like Americans.... Does that mean they are less irish... I just don't understand what your problem is with these particular women and their citizenship, accent, loyalty and religion.....

Frank Grimes · 18-08-2013 5:03pm

SeanW wrote: »

How does one accomplish this? Besides ... oh say ... sticking only to your own "group" and refusing to integrate?

Some people just don't lose their accents, it can really be that simple - I know you just want 'evidence' to support the conclusions you have already reached but this one is really stretching it.

feargale · 18-08-2013 5:28pm

SeanW wrote: »

No, it appeared to me that the woman on the radio did not have a hint of an Irish accent, despite having been here for 17 years. Would an Irish person go to anywhere else, live there for 17 years and not pick up a trace of the local accents?

I remember some years ago a guy came home to my place from New York after a number of years speaking as he did the day he left. Everyone said he was a great fella, never forgot where he came from. But a lady who came back with an American twang was said to have notions about herself. I dont know what New Yorkers would say if they saw them marching with a very political banner on Patrick's Day.

SeanW wrote: »

How does one accomplish this? Besides...oh say...sticking only to your own "group" and refusing to integrate?

Birds of a feather flock together,like Irish as above, or Jews in NY or Paris, or Brits in Bombay or Benidorm. If I can get the names and addresses of these Muslims I'll see if I can arrange lessons in Irish language and Irish dancing for them, and instruction in Catholicism etc.. And let's see Paddy in Dubai with a camel and no booze.

Knob Longman · 18-08-2013 5:35pm

SeanW wrote: »

I can refute this straight off - I am certain there are plenty of immigrants who would be happy to embrace the Irish identity, and be happy to share a unfied, secular society with people of other faiths and none, Jews, homosexuals, religous apostates, blasphemers, people who enjoy having personal lives that are not dictated by anti-human codes of "family honour" etc.

And then you have this family, who, from what I can see, have absolutely nothing Irish about them except their passport. Support for hardline Islamists IMO makes one the exact opposite of the above.

As just one example, I would guess that if you ran a refendum throughout Europe asking "Should we stone gay people?" you would get a significant "Yes" percentage and many of them would vote that way because it is compatible with Islamic law and their origin-nation traditions.

I am happy to share our society with others - including immigrants - who likewise treasure secular freedom. But the fact that the children of a major religious figure have been found to be supporters of Islamic fundamentalists is something I find quite troubling.

That's fair enough, I'll take back what I said so..
Your point about the "gay people" actually is probably quiet true, I know the point you're trying to make, But personally I live in a neighbourhood full of differing types of Muslims and the vast majority of them are decent honourable people whom I'm actually glad to have as neighbours..

Nodin · 18-08-2013 5:39pm

SeanW wrote: »

Again, it's possible.

No, it appeared to me that the woman on the radio did not have a hint of an Irish accent, despite having been here for 17 years. Would an Irish person go to anywhere else, live there for 17 years and not pick up a trace of the local accents?

How does one accomplish this? Besides ... oh say ... sticking only to your own "group" and refusing to integrate?

.....simplistic tosh.

Nodin · 18-08-2013 5:44pm

NoNewFriends wrote: »

The parents of those children should be ashamed of themselves. Likewise the parents of the "Irish citizens" who died fighting a foreign war in Libya. Who could allow their children to run-off to an unstable country to align themselves with extremists? The truth is Irish citizenship is being handed out too easily. Many of our newly adopted citizens of the Islamic faith have no allegiance to this country and are simply here for financial reasons.

Generalised nonsense. Have you any specific information to add?

dharma200 · 18-08-2013 5:44pm

As I have said before, just because they were protesting does not make them supporters of Islamic fundamentalists. The same as many people in west Belfast are not supporters of the I r a.... The same as all the people who march against the banks here etc are lefties, the same as all those who protest against shell are hippies. The guessing and sweeping generalisations about these specific people , their father, their families and wether they are hard line Islamic fundamentalists screams to me that you have a specific problem with these individuals and are using this forum in a round about way to try to garner some sort of discrediting of their irish ness, nationality and authenticity. What you are forgetting in this is that they are human beings. The whole gay referendum thing makes no sense in this thread. Ask plenty of Irish Catholics and you'll ge the same response. It seems the fact these people are Muslim is the problem, and the fact they don't have the right accent... Sure let them be shot then eh, and no body say a word or have an interest? It seems these posts are specifically aimed at creating a lack of sympathy or empathy for these people purely in the fact they are not irish enough for you. That , I am afraid, is shameful.

Son Of A Vidic · 18-08-2013 6:00pm

SeanW wrote: »

Why were Irish citizens - the children of a supposidly Irish religious leader - involved in a Muslim Brotherhood protest?

Did they tell you they were involved? Or are you just assuming they were involved? They were on holiday in a city, which had hundreds of thousands of protesters on the streets. So there is a strong possibility that they got caught up on the mayhem. Hence the reason they took shelter in a Mosque. There is also, equally a possibility that they were involved in the protest. And so what anyway? An elected government has been illegally overthrown.

SeanW wrote: »

Does the family (and by extension the leadership of the Clonskeagh mosque) support the Muslim Brotherhood or other Islamist hardliners?

What hardliners? All I know is that the Muslim Brotherhood and their president are the democratically elected government of Egypt. They were ousted by the army in a military coup. The brotherhood have a broad base of support right across Egypt.

People from all backgrounds and all walks of life support them. We are not talking about the likes of Islamic Emirate of Iraiq. Although if the military brutality continues, such like minded extremist will enter undoubtedly enter the fray.

SeanW wrote: »

Allegedly, the family in question have been in Ireland since 1996. That's almost 20 years ago. But the lady on the radio did not have even a hint of an Irish accent. Why is this?

So now their lack of an Irish accent puts them under the spotlight. Perhaps we should get an rendition team over and have them delivered to Bagram or Guantanamo. I spent 10 years living in London and never developed an English accent. Why is an accent even an issue?

Executive Steve · 18-08-2013 9:55pm

Einhard wrote: »

I don't necessarily buy into this notion that anyone who supports the Muslim Brotherhood is a hardline extremist.

The Muslim Brotherhood have every right to feel aggrieved. We in the West are always banging on about democracy, and how Islamic groups should embrace it. The MB do just that, only to be ousted in a military coup. Is there any great condemnation at this affront to democracy? Not a bit of it. Their supporters protest, and are murdered in their hundreds- and still barely a murmur of protest. If I were a MB member, or a supporter of any Islamic group, I'd be very wary of calls to democracy right now.

And yet, after all this, the Muslim Brotherhood, rather than the army or the secularists in Egypt are singled out for scrutiny and suspicion. Seems a tad topsy turvy to me.

Pretty much, I mean I've no love for the MB at all, but a lot of the reporting seems to be painting opponents of the military coup as "Pro-MB supporters".

If there were a military coup tomorrow and we all went out marching in protest (as I hope we all would) would that make us all "Fine Gael Supporters"?

Boombastic · 18-08-2013 9:57pm

Executive Steve wrote: »

Pretty much, I mean I've no love for the MB at all, but a lot of the reporting seems to be painting opponents of the military coup as "Pro-MB supporters".

If there were a military coup tomorrow and we all went out marching in protest (as I hope we all would) would that make us all "Fine Gael Supporters"?

Would many Egyptians fly in here for the protest?

wexie · 18-08-2013 10:00pm

Executive Steve wrote: »

Pretty much, I mean I've no love for the MB at all, but a lot of the reporting seems to be painting opponents of the military coup as "Pro-MB supporters".

If there were a military coup tomorrow and we all went out marching in protest (as I hope we all would) would that make us all "Fine Gael Supporters"?

To be perfectly honest, I think if there was a military coup here tomorrow I think a lot of us would be out partying on Tuesday!!!

Brown Bomber · 18-08-2013 10:29pm

Painful trying to read through the whole thread but it's worth pointing out that the MB are Conservative, relatively moderate and not fundamentalist.

I wouldn't have voted for the MB in elections but if I was Egyptian I would be standing shoulder to shoulder with them in protests for democracy and against the military junta.

That said, Madhi Al Harati, The Tripoli Brigade Commander and "close confederate" of Al Qaeda's Belhadj was an instructor at Clonskeagh and the Irish "rebel" in Syria who was killed went to school there.

alastair · 18-08-2013 10:46pm

SeanW wrote: »

I hope you are never hired as a security guard ... "ah those guys prying open that window with those crowbars? Just having a bit of fun, surely!" :rolleyes:

You're probably a leftist so I'll try again to spell it out for you.
Some people are concerned about Islamic extremism.

Children of the Clonskeagh Imam are found to be participating in a Muslim Brotherhood protest.

That raises the question of why: were they simply protesting against the anti-democratic nature of the coup, or explicitly supporting the Muslim Brotherhood?

If they are MB supporters, where did they get these views?

If they got these views from their home life - i.e. their father who is also the Imam of the Clonskeagh mosque - then it follows that support for the MB and other religious-political movements is a family affair. This is likely and cannot be discounted.

In that case, it also possibly follows that daddy is writing sermons to radicalise his followers, given his position of religious authority.

Nice to equate one strand of Islamic politics with burglars. You're a real master of metaphor.

The Muslim Brotherhood managed to gain enough support to win a democratic election from literally millions of Egyptians. To that end, protests in support of that ousted government involve rather more Egyptians than are active involved in Muslim Brotherhood activism. These Irish-Egyptians clearly have more than enough reason to protest about what's been happening there, without some idiot in Ireland casting aspersions and wondering why they sound kinda 'Araby' despite living in Firhouse. Sheikh Hussein Halawa's sermons are a matter of public record, given that they're for a public audience, so it's not like he's been sneaking the odd bit of radicalism out on the sly. If you've a concern about the man, why not just find out what kind of stuff he promotes. As it stands, there's not an awful lot to fear from even the most radicalised Muslim Brotherhood advocate - they're quite entitled to make their case. Oh, and some people are concerned about kneejerk xenophobes who seemingly believe 'leftist' to be an insult.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 10:49pm

SeanW wrote: »

That is possible. However, since the demonstration was organised by the Muslim Brotherhood, it legitimately raises the question: are they MB supporters?

If they were taught to be MB supporters at home, then it follows that daddy, a.k.a the Imam of the Clonskeagh mosque, is also a supporter of Islamist ideology. That would be troubling.

Especially seeing as the MB have allegedly been attacking Christians in Egypt....

alastair · 18-08-2013 10:49pm

Boombastic wrote: »

Would many Egyptians fly in here for the protest?

They were already in Egypt visiting their relations.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 10:54pm

Einhard wrote: »

I don't necessarily buy into this notion that anyone who supports the Muslim Brotherhood is a hardline extremist.

The Muslim Brotherhood have every right to feel aggrieved. We in the West are always banging on about democracy, and how Islamic groups should embrace it. The MB do just that, only to be ousted in a military coup. Is there any great condemnation at this affront to democracy? Not a bit of it. Their supporters protest, and are murdered in their hundreds- and still barely a murmur of protest. If I were a MB member, or a supporter of any Islamic group, I'd be very wary of calls to democracy right now.

And yet, after all this, the Muslim Brotherhood, rather than the army or the secularists in Egypt are singled out for scrutiny and suspicion. Seems a tad topsy turvy to me.

The Muslim Brotherhood are allegedly attacking Christians in Egypt according to today's Sunday Times

wes · 18-08-2013 10:56pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Especially seeing as the MB have allegedly been attacking Christians in Egypt....

Its not like the military didn't stage attacks before and try and blame protesters in 2011.........

Also, seeing as the Brotherhood is being killed in the streets as we speak, with much of there leadership arrested, I find such claims hard to believe.

Still rather amazing that the mass murder is being so down played by some on this thread, and instead we have wild accusations being leveled against people for having the temerity to either protest a murderous military coup or who may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, apparently accents apparently important to the subject somehow.

IMHO, a shambles of a thread from the start.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 10:58pm

dharma200 wrote: »

Wether 'daddy' is giving out sermons on whatever or not, that doesn't give the right for a bunch of military thugs to kill 600 people and terrify thousands, to not allow people to protest an extraordinary state of affairs in that a military force is allowed and sponsored to kill its own citizens... Wether daddy is an extreme twist or not it does not mean his family, or the hundreds/thousands of people inegypt deserve to be shot dead for protesting against a forced government and military murder.[/quote

Well I believe Extremists need to be dealt with severely. It's the softly softly approach that has lead to them trying to impose Sharia law on the streets of some European cities

wes · 18-08-2013 11:04pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Well I believe Extremists need to be dealt with severely. It's the softly softly approach that has lead to them trying to impose Sharia law on the streets of some European cities

So you support mass murder of protesters?

Also, various forms of Sharia existed in Egypt before the Brotherhood.

Brown Bomber · 18-08-2013 11:05pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

dharma200 wrote: »

Wether 'daddy' is giving out sermons on whatever or not, that doesn't give the right for a bunch of military thugs to kill 600 people and terrify thousands, to not allow people to protest an extraordinary state of affairs in that a military force is allowed and sponsored to kill its own citizens... Wether daddy is an extreme twist or not it does not mean his family, or the hundreds/thousands of people inegypt deserve to be shot dead for protesting against a forced government and military murder.[/quote

Well I believe Extremists need to be dealt with severely. It's the softly softly approach that has lead to them trying to impose Sharia law on the streets of some European cities

And how do you impose shariah law on an entire city?

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:07pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Well I believe Extremists need to be dealt with severely. It's the softly softly approach that has lead to them trying to impose Sharia law on the streets of some European cities

Your Ma needed to deal with you more severely when you bunked off religious education and civics in school. You're simply talking nonsense.

Brown Bomber · 18-08-2013 11:09pm

wes wrote: »

So you support mass murder of protesters?

Also, various forms of Sharia existed in Egypt before the Brotherhood.

The article on Sharia in the Constitution was taken verbatim from Mubarak's constitution

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:10pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

The Muslim Brotherhood are allegedly attacking Christians in Egypt according to today's Sunday Times

It's a situation ratcheted muddied by the Coptics weighing in behind a murderous military junta - http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/08/17/Egypt-s-Coptic-Church-announces-support-for-army-police.html

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:14pm

wes wrote: »

So you support mass murder of protesters?

Also, various forms of Sharia existed in Egypt before the Brotherhood.

Read my post... I stated that they want Sharia Law in Europe...

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:15pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Read my post... I stated that they want Sharia Law in Europe...

... So it's fair enough to shoot them on the streets of Cairo. Deal with them 'severely'. That'll work a treat.

wes · 18-08-2013 11:17pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Read my post... I stated that they want Sharia Law in Europe...

Ok, so your saying that the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood have imposed Sharia in Europe..... Yeah, this thread is even more of a disaster now....

So this wild fantasy some how justifies murdering protesters in the streets? Good to see so much support for a murderous military junta.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:19pm

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

And how do you impose shariah law on an entire city?[/quote

Can you not read? I stated that they want to impose it on streets of European cities. In Walthamstow last year they took to patrolling the streets to move on prostitutes and while you may say this is commendable, it was done in the name if Sharia Law. The journalist Stacey Dooley made a documentary in Luton where the fundamentalists stated to her that they wanted Sharia Law.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:21pm

alastair wrote: »

Your Ma needed to deal with you more severely when you bunked off religious education and civics in school. You're simply talking nonsense.[/quot

Whatever you believe in your bleeding, liberal heart....

Nodin · 18-08-2013 11:24pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

And how do you impose shariah law on an entire city?[/quote

Can you not read? I stated that they want to impose it on streets of European cities. In Walthamstow last year they took to patrolling the streets to move on prostitutes and while you may say this is commendable, it was done in the name if Sharia Law. The journalist Stacey Dooley made a documentary in Luton where the fundamentalists stated to her that they wanted Sharia Law.

.....what has any of that to do with "Irish citizens caught up in the trouble in Egypt"?

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:24pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

And how do you impose shariah law on an entire city?[/quote

Can you not read? I stated that they want to impose it on streets of European cities. In Walthamstow last year they took to patrolling the streets to move on prostitutes and while you may say this is commendable, it was done in the name if Sharia Law. The journalist Stacey Dooley made a documentary in Luton where the fundamentalists stated to her that they wanted Sharia Law.

I want to win the lottery. They're entitled to actively pursue and advocate for sharia law if they so desire.

wes · 18-08-2013 11:26pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Can you not read? I stated that they want to impose it on streets of European cities. In Walthamstow last year they took to patrolling the streets to move on prostitutes and while you may say this is commendable, it was done in the name if Sharia Law. The journalist Stacey Dooley made a documentary in Luton where the fundamentalists stated to her that they wanted Sharia Law.

Ok, so the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, were behind this? Any proof? Seriously wtf does this have to do with Egypt exactly? You seem to be tossing out something that has nothing to do with Egypt to justify mass murder. Seriously this is getting really silly at this point.

periodictable · 18-08-2013 11:26pm

I wonder if our government actually knows what is being taught at the Clonskeagh Mosque?

periodictable · 18-08-2013 11:28pm

Nodin wrote: »

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Brown Bomber wrote: »

.....what has any of that to do with "Irish citizens caught up in the trouble in Egypt"?

You ask that with a straight face?:eek:
Here, read this http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/islamic-brotherhood-failed-to-understand-the-majority-of-egyptians-rejects-fundamentalism-1.1495562

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:28pm

alastair wrote: »

... So it's fair enough to shoot them on the streets of Cairo. Deal with them 'severely'. That'll work a treat.

I clearly stated ' extremists ' wanted Sharia law in Europe . Where did I state that the MB wanted such a thing?

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:31pm

wes wrote: »

Ok, so your saying that the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood have imposed Sharia in Europe..... Yeah, this thread is even more of a disaster now....

So this wild fantasy some how justifies murdering protesters in the streets? Good to see so much support for a murderous military junta.

This is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed man. I never once stated that the MB wanted Sharia in Europe. I stated 'Extremists' . It is rather impossible to debate with somebody who a) Cannot read it b) makes things up

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:33pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

I clearly stated ' extremists ' wanted Sharia law in Europe . Where did I state that the MB wanted such a thing?

Your response, in post 69, was entirely directed at a comment about the violent suppression of the supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Please don't try to backpedal now.

dharma200 wrote: »

Wether 'daddy' is giving out sermons on whatever or not, that doesn't give the right for a bunch of military thugs to kill 600 people and terrify thousands, to not allow people to protest an extraordinary state of affairs in that a military force is allowed and sponsored to kill its own citizens... Wether daddy is an extreme twist or not it does not mean his family, or the hundreds/thousands of people inegypt deserve to be shot dead for protesting against a forced government and military murder.

Well I believe Extremists need to be dealt with severely. It's the softly softly approach that has lead to them trying to impose Sharia law on the streets of some European cities

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:37pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

dharma200 wrote: »

Wether 'daddy' is giving out sermons on whatever or not, that doesn't give the right for a bunch of military thugs to kill 600 people and terrify thousands, to not allow people to protest an extraordinary state of affairs in that a military force is allowed and sponsored to kill its own citizens... Wether daddy is an extreme twist or not it does not mean his family, or the hundreds/thousands of people inegypt deserve to be shot dead for protesting against a forced government and military murder.[/quote

Well I believe Extremists need to be dealt with severely. It's the softly softly approach that has lead to them trying to impose Sharia law on the streets of some European cities

For the benefit if Wes, Brown Bomber etc

Now where did I state that the MB wanted Sharia on the streets of Europe?

Brown Bomber · 18-08-2013 11:39pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Can you not read? I stated that they want to impose it on streetDo s of European cities. In Walthamstow last year they took to patrolling the streets to move on prostitutes and while you may say this is commendable, it was done in the name if Sharia Law. The journalist Stacey Dooley made a documentary in Luton where the fundamentalists stated to her that they wanted Sharia Law.

Do you need a documentary to tell you that an Islamic fundamentalist would prefer Sharia Law? And by Sharia law I don't mean the bastardised House of Saud version.

Honestly, you shouldn't get so worked up about a handful of lunatics getting media coverage they don't deserve.

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:41pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

For the benefit if Wes, Brown Bomber etc

Now where did I state that the MB wanted Sharia on the streets of Europe?

Eh - here:

Quote:
Originally Posted by wes
So you support mass murder of protesters?
Also, various forms of Sharia existed in Egypt before the Brotherhood.

Originally Posted by Two Tone from Limehouse
Read my post... I stated that they want Sharia Law in Europe...

wes · 18-08-2013 11:41pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

This is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed man. I never once stated that the MB wanted Sharia in Europe. I stated 'Extremists' . It is rather impossible to debate with somebody who a) Cannot read it b) makes things up

Well, the thread is about even in Egypt and Irish citizen being caught up in it. So its kind of understandable, when people read posts in that context. Deciding to randomly insert something that has nothing to do with Egypt kind of makes it very difficult to discuss the actual topic......

Brown Bomber · 18-08-2013 11:41pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

For the benefit if Wes, Brown Bomber etc

Now where did I state that the MB wanted Sharia on the streets of Europe?

We can clear this up quite quickly. Do all Islamic extremists want to setup an Islamic Caliphate covering Europe? Are the MB Islamic extremists?

Two Tone from Limehouse · 18-08-2013 11:43pm

alastair wrote: »

Your response, in post 69, was entirely directed at a comment about the violent suppression of the supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Please don't try to backpedal now.

No need for me to back pedal. ... I clearly stated extremist. The original quote stated that whether the father was an extremist or not. , force should not be used.

alastair · 18-08-2013 11:47pm

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

No need for me to back pedal. ... I clearly stated extremist. The original quote stated that whether the father was an extremist or not. , force should not be used.

You clearly stated extremist in response to a comment about the Muslim Brotherhood. So you do support murder on the streets of Cairo. Nice. How 'extreme' of you.

Black Swan · 19-08-2013 2:06am

Upon closing, this might be a good time to refresh our memories regarding the spirit and intent of the Politics charter:

Dr Galen wrote: »

This is a Politics forum, not Liveline.

Certain standards of debate are expected, and will be enforced. Your posts must contribute to debate, not derail it or drag it into mob chanting...

If your posts consists of little more than a statement that some group of people or other are bad people... think long and hard before pressing "submit," because we'll be treating that as trolling from here on in.

No trolling or feeding the trolls (including no excuses for joining a flaming match).

No personal abuse or getting too personal (i.e., challenge the post, not the poster).

Irish citizens caught up in the trouble in Egypt.

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