Loyalists rioting again

statesaver wrote: »

Sure the loyalists know the English taxpayers will pay for the clean up and their dole.

Wonder how long it will be before the English taxpayer gets pissed off bailing norn iron out

I suspect they have been peed off for some time. After all the Irish republican bombing campaign on the mainland uk and throughout Northern Ireland must have cost some whack eh?

Technically southern England would subsidize most of the rest of the uk. I suspect this is the same in most other countries in the world.

Not sure of your point though.are you seriously suggesting that they will just say to rep of Ireland here you go take back Northern Ireland, blow us a kiss and wish us all the best. It will never happen like that despite republican wet dreams to the contrary.

Of course it's not just the english taxpayers who will pay but all uk taxpayers including us from Northern Ireland even those who are irish republicans(well those who pay tax anyway )

Its been a difficult 10-15 years for Loyalism. They've gone from being the dominant ethnic group in an apartheid state to a society that's gradually trying to normalise. Unfortunately the transition to democracy is very difficult for some and the 'culture' they try to protect is showing itself to be incompatible with a normal 21st century western democracy. In what other democracy do they celebrate battles hundreds of years ago as an excuse to intimidate those of a different ethnicity.
Hopefully in time the marchers/rioters are squeezed further into the margins and a fully functioning democracy can take over. The alternative is this fringe element will continue to be pandered to by the DUP and NIs future will sink backwards to where they were pre GFA.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Where I'm from there is an annual celebration of a battle from 1302, so there's that.

And tell me, do the Flemish to this day insist on marching all over france every july, attacking homes and businesses and generally acting like the human equivalent of dog shit?

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Do the Loyalists ?

Because I must have missed that.
Marching near or past to Nationalist areas, sure. But going in there and attacking people ? Doubtful.

Yes, you must have missed it.

http://www.belfastdaily.co.uk/2013/08/09/psni-officer-knocked-out-during-loyalist-rioting-in-belfast/

http://seachranaidhe1.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/loyalists-attack-police-and-nationalist-homes/

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/blast-bomb-attacks-in-north-and-east-belfast-on-city-s-fourth-night-of-violence-1.1464508

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-chief-condemns-mindless-anarchy-after-56-officers-are-injured-in-belfast-protests-8755292.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/09/belfast-police-protests-attacked-clashes-loyalists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-eAl4uXhoM

awec wrote: »

What about parades to mourn the fact that would-be bombers failed in their goal of committing murder and destruction? Seems incredibly sinister, tasteless and classless to me. But apparently it's dignified, so I guess it's ok.

"Hi people of Castlederg, we are parading today to remember two guys who wanted to bomb your town. Consider yourselves lucky that they failed and managed to blow themselves up in the process, because if they had succeeded in their goal some of you may not be alive today".

As mentioned earlier (which surprise surprise, you chose to ignore because it doesnt suit your agenda) the parade was held in castlederg because that is where the two volunteers were from.
It was the 40th anniversary of their deaths and a small commemoration was held in their hometown.
Have you seen the footage of the parade. It was indeed a dignified and sombre affair as people gathered to remember friends and relatives who had died.
Regardless of what you may think of them, we should all be allowed to commemorate our dead.
The fact remains that this parade was a non-issue and would have gone all but unnoticed had unionism not needed something to distract from the dogs they let off the leash in Belfast.
This is a typical unionist tactic. For example, during the belfast fleg protests they all of a sudden cared what a park in Newry had been named by local people 11 years previously.

awec wrote: »

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

There are many hundreds of parades each year. 99% of them are peaceful, dignified, not contentious and happen without issue. The problem is certain elements don't want to know about that 99% because it doesn't fit with the little agenda they try to push, so they focus on the 1% and try and tell people that that 1% is representative of the entire unionist community in the north.

These people are very disingenuous.

Exactly, nationalists are by and large very accommodating and tolerant of unionist "culture" and generally put up with their wee displays of supremacy. On occasion however, the hurt is too raw or the offense too blatant to ignore/. So why then can unionism not be happy with getting to parade where it wants for 99 per cent of their 3500+ parades every year. Why, as a reciprocal gesture to, for example, when the people of newry make no fuss of the several parades held in the town, can unionism not respond by saying "yes, for this parade we shall walk this small stretch of road instead of this one?"

awec wrote: »

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

This is what you wrote before you edited your post. You were clearly attempting to deny it happened.

If the people of Ardoyne ever decided they wanted to march up the Shankill with the singular expressed goal of offending as many people as possible and then proceeded to wreck the place when they didnt get their way, yes, I would consider them dog ****.
However, it's unlikely to happen. Take castlederg for example. SF voluntarily rerouted it to avoid offending people. Of course, that didnt suit the unionist agenda who wanted to be offended so that they would have something to distract from Belfast. They objected further and shamefully, the parades commission rerouted the parade further, away from the shared centre of the town that had seen nigh on 20 loyalist parades so far that year, one the day before.
And yet, despite objecting to this ludicrous ruling, republicans obey it and honoured their dead with dignity.
Hell, even the anti-internment parade in Belfast drew its route so that it avoided loyalist homes. And they managed to obey police and the parades commission.
It's bad when the dissidents are law abiding citizens compared to you.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

So not what I meant.

The claim was that Loyalists march and then deliberately go through nationalist areas, attacking people and houses.

All of those links are from either 'normal' riots (I know...) against police officers, or do not involve nationalist areas at all (Hell, your second link claims houses were attacked but doesn't mention anything about it in the actual article).

The worst I see (and that's in no way excusable) is a so-called nationalist bar (anyone know it ?) having it's windows smashed.
Which still doesn't amount to what was claimed happened.

You clearly havent read them. Each article mentions homes and or businesses being attacked by loyalist mobs.

Late on Friday evening, loyalists attack a nationalist housing development near the lower Shankill estate.

Roofs were ripped off a new development, contractor vans burned out in what locals described as “serious rioting”.

A tense stand off continues in the area.

Loyalist protesters blocked roads in the Corcrain area of Portadown, Co Armagh, including a junction with the nationalist Garvaghy Road.

Sinn Féin Councillor for the Short Strand Niall Ó Donnghailehas stated that trouble broke out in East Belfast after masked loyalists led an illegal march past the Short Strand and attacked nationalists homes.

Speaking today Cllr Ó Donnghaile said:

“Today saw the 15th illegal march past the Short Strand. It is one of hundreds of illegal protests since December the 3rd.

“This march, as the evidence clearly shows, was lead over the Albert Bridge before reaching the Short Strand, by masked men chanting sectarian slogans.

“On reaching the Short Strand homes were attacked. Ten family homes have been damaged and residents of the Short Strand intimidated. People do not come to “peaceful protests” armed with bricks, bottles, golf balls and fireworks.

East Belfast Sinn Féin councillor Niall Ó Donnghaile said loyalists had attacked homes in the nationalist Short Strand.

PSNI assistant chief constable Will Kerr said some of the violence perpetrated by loyalists and some Orangemen on the night of the Twelfth at Woodvale Road was “visceral” and “almost animalistic”.

The protesters hurled bricks, bottles and fireworks at police before the parade arrived. Some cars were set on fire in the North Street area, and shops were damaged.

While the loyalists set fire to bins and attacked a local pub raiding the bar for pint glasses that they rained on police lines,

As the parade passed through towards the Lower Falls, loyalists were penned back into North Street but continued to shower the marchers and police with missiles.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

The fact you call the Castlederg parade 'dignified' is strange as well. People marching in full IRA dress isn't what I would understand under that.

Full IRA dress? You mean a green jumper and beret or white shirt with black tie? Is that full military dress? I have one of those jumpers. Do i be out movin the cattle in full military dress?