Loyalists rioting again

Foxhound38

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/10234703/26-police-hurt-in-Belfast-riots.html

It seems nearly 30 people have been hurt so far. So why are they doing this? Surely attacking what is a british police force (I don't mean that in a bad way or anything - it just is) kinda goes against the whole "loyalism" thing?

And I'm not just referring to this incident, but more generally why are the loyalists acting up of late? Why now? What are they trying to achieve? Surely in many ways, they've won - NI is still part of the UK and looks to remain that way, all sides except a tiny headbanger dissident element have essentially accepted that.

So what have they got to complain about?

As an aside, is anyone else sick of this trouble surrounding parades for one side or another? How about this -ban all parades for 5 years until they learn to be mature about it and live & let live

Kristopherus

Why, because they are scumbags with nothing better to do.

Red Crow

The sooner the North gets rid of these Neanderthals the better.

AckwelFoley

There's many reasons. Having terrorists in stormont doesn't bode well with them.

Foxhound38

AckwelFoley wrote: »

There's many reasons. Having terrorists in stormont doesn't bode well with them.

And having criminals and gob****es in the Dail doesn't bode well with me either - still don't feel like attacking my own police force about it

Nodin

AckwelFoley wrote: »

There's many reasons. Having terrorists in stormont doesn't bode well with them.

....yes, appalled by the message this sends out about law and order, they decided to batter the peelers.

airneal

Things will never change up there!! Theres that many fraction and splinter groups, the half of them don't know who's on there side. They're used to this lifestyle...born and bred...it will never change, never ever, ever...

AckwelFoley

The rioters are little scumbags. But they're the tip of what the general feeling is within large sections of the loyalist unionist community. .

They feel their culture and identity is under attack

Lingua Franca

AckwelFoley wrote: »

There's many reasons. Having terrorists in stormont doesn't bode well with them.

That's not quite true, is it? They're fine with terrorists in Stormont as long as they're loyalist terrorists. Let's not forget they're also deeply unhappy with the likes of Máirtín Ó Muilleoir, who has a squeaky clean rap sheet, and Niall Ó Donnghaile, who is far too young to have "terrorist" accusations flung at him, representing them even at a local and mostly ceremonial level.

Nodin

AckwelFoley wrote: »

The rioters are little scumbags. But they're the tip of what the general feeling is within large sections of the loyalist unionist community. .

They feel their culture and identity is under attack

...that's been the case more or less continuously since the foundation of the statelet. The difference now is they can't take it out on the minority.

Foxhound38

AckwelFoley wrote: »

The rioters are little scumbags. But they're the tip of what the general feeling is within large sections of the loyalist unionist community. .

They feel their culture and identity is under attack

By who? The police?

airneal

Water and oil don't mix, its same on both sides, living too close to each other, individual cultures, always going to be a clash at some stage unfortunately

AckwelFoley wrote: »

The rioters are little scumbags. But they're the tip of what the general feeling is within large sections of the loyalist unionist community. .

They feel their culture and identity is under attack

Chinaman666

Loyalists are the scum of the earth.

56 police injured and they're trying to claim the cops are being heavy-handed? Hilarious.

K-9

AckwelFoley wrote: »

They feel their culture and identity is under attack

Always been the way, probably thought the same back in the supremacy days.

shane9689

some day ill go to a belfast riot....really want to see one just so i can say "i remember in my day there was no European federation, we had 2 countries here in irealnd you see..." to all the grand kids and such...also ill live to 125 because its the f'n future man

Lingua Franca

AckwelFoley wrote: »

The rioters are little scumbags.

I'd agree with scumbags, but little? Some of the people being put in jail for rioting are grown men and women who really should know better.

A woman who threw three stones at police during a flag protest riot has been jailed for eight months...

Jailing the 51-year-old at Belfast Crown Court, judge David McFarland said despite the fact she was the main carer for her disabled adult children, the courts had issued repeated warnings that those who attacked police will go to jail...

A prosecution lawyer described how the organised flag protest erupted into violence and that the mother of three had been seen by three different officers throwing a total of three pieces of masonry at police....

Leathem was arrested at the scene and during police interviews admitted throwing one stone but claimed that had been aimed at her friend's son who had daubed graffiti on a wall.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22704785


If you watch the videos of the parade stand off at Twaddell Avenue, those are middle aged to elderly men jumping up and down on the police landrovers. Those are middle aged to elderly men attacking the police lines. Those are middle aged women down at the lower Newtownards road dancing and singing and claudding at the cops under the water cannon.

You can't brush this one off as simply disaffected youth with nothing to do. The footage and the court reports prove otherwise.

RustyNut

They are just celebrating their culture.

AckwelFoley

Lingua.. by little I didn't actually mean small.. just a figure of speech

hidinginthebush

Chinaman666 wrote: »

Loyalists are the scum of the earth.

In fairness there's scum on both sides, be they nationalist or loyalist. That said, its easy enough for us to say "why can't they all just let it go, they're living in the past etc.", but this attitude really is part of who they are, its bred into them from an early age. Its a case of if you're not from there, you simply don't understand, and probably never will.

Lingua Franca

AckwelFoley wrote: »

Lingua.. by little I didn't actually mean small.. just a figure of speech

Fair enough!

Loyalists Against Democracy have just hit the ball out of the park again with this concise musical overview of what's been happening.

We Didn't Start The Riot

Cee-Jay-Cee

They're not Loyalists as such. They're scumbag criminal cavemen who just happen to be Protestant but they have no loyalty to the Queen or anyone else. They use loyalism as an excuse to wreck their own country and cause as much damage as they can. The vast vast majority are uneducated brain dead pathetic people that don't actually know what they're fighting/rioting against they're just thugs hiding behind a flag.

Swan Curry

"Waaaaaa,our culture of supremacy and identity created through hatred and sectarianism is under threat!"

There's no place in Northern Ireland for these people and the sooner they realise this the better.

AckwelFoley

CJC999 wrote: »

They're not Loyalists as such. They're scumbag criminal cavemen who just happen to be Protestant but they have no loyalty to the Queen or anyone else. They use loyalism as an excuse to wreck their own country and cause as much damage as they can. The vast vast majority are uneducated brain dead pathetic people that don't actually know what they're fighting/rioting against they're just thugs hiding behind a flag.

Very well said.

Jester252

Their rioting because they are not allow express their hate for other people in front of them. They can still do just not in front of them.

Swan Curry

In this thread and previous threads about riots,someone always says "They're not real Loyalists".If they're not real Loyalists,why don't Loyalist politicians condemn their actions?After every riot,Loyalist politicians blame the PSNI,the Parades Commission,and anything else under the sun they can think of.Until Loyalist politicians put the blame where it truly lies,with the rioters,I'll consider every rioter as much of a Loyalist as the politicians that protect them.

everdead.ie

Swan Curry wrote: »

In this thread and previous threads about riots,someone always says "They're not real Loyalists".If they're not real Loyalists,why don't Loyalist politicians condemn their actions?After every riot,Loyalist politicians blame the PSNI,the Parades Commission,and anything else under the sun they can think of.Until Loyalist politicians put the blame where it truly lies,with the rioters,I'll consider every rioter as much of a Loyalist as the politicians that protect them.

The main two unionist parties have been involved in stirring up trouble particularly the DUP but they can't condemn it as they are a hard core vote they don't want going elsewhere.

They are desperately trying to stem the advance of the alliance party particularly in Belfast but they don't seem to realise that a bug chunk of the alliance parties voted are actually from the catholic community who are only going to be pushed toward Nationalist parties by these actions.

It's also worth pointing out that the likes of Willie Frazer should be ignored he talks of the 1 million Protestant unionists in Northern Ireland when the last census should there to be closer to 850,000. Then it doesn't take into account that Protestants are much more likely to be republican then Catholics are likely to be Unionists even if we are talking a small percentage.

ted1

AckwelFoley wrote: »

The rioters are little scumbags. But they're the tip of what the general feeling is within large sections of the loyalist unionist community. .

They feel their culture and identity is under attack

We all know how that feels.., so its come a full circle.

They really need to get an education and move on. Rioting does nothing for their cause and only discredits them.

Stinicker

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

Nippledragon

Brain-dead bigots who have not got a clue what they are 'fighting' for, when you see 50 year old men and women acting like wild animals it really is pathetic. How much has this already cost in damages/repairs/policing? No surrender my arse....

ted1

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

The lunatics running the asylum!!! SF will never get into power on Kildare street. They have no credible economic or development policies other than tax those with a job and give it to those without a job and without a leaving cert.

Coillte_Bhoy

everdead.ie wrote: »

Then it doesn't take into account that Protestants are much more likely to be republican then Catholics are likely to be Unionists even if we are talking a small percentage.

Thats absolute nonsense, a significantly higher % of the catholic population are more unionist inclined than % of protestants who want a UI

Elbaston

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

Oh dear.

I see the clouds gathering. Quote war on the horizon.

Anyway....

I think its great. Anti-Irish bigots fighting Anti-Irish bigots light.
If I was there and had a deckchair I'd be having a can and placing bets on number of heads cracked.

Win-win.

Foxhound38

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

Yaaay, that's just what we need right now - a civil war! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Coillte_Bhoy

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

Thats a very simplistic analysis. In the event of a UI there will be a re allignment of political forces. It's impossible to predict where the balance of power will lie or what new parties/alliances emerge

HurtLocker

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

Lol. Good luck with that. The Republic says no!

Weevil

ted1 wrote: »

The lunatics running the asylum!!! SF will never get into power on Kildare street. They have no credible economic or development policies other than tax those with a job and give it to those without a job and without a leaving cert.

If it's a choice between your cited 'lunatics' or the current arse-scratching idiots, I'll go with the former.

wp_rathead

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots..

...? you can't wait for a civil war?

Mike 1972

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Thats absolute nonsense, a significantly higher % of the catholic population are more unionist inclined than % of protestants who want a UI

What about those of us who are niether Protestant or Roman Catholic ?

Technically we hold the balance of power now.

MUH HA HA HA !

Henlars67

'Terrorists' as some have called them sitting in the assembly is no excuse whatsoever.

These people have been democratically elected by the people.

The problem is that loyalists, and many in unionism never wanted democracy in the 6 counties, and will not accept it.

Fratton Fred

Stinicker wrote: »

I can't wait for the day in the not too far away future when Ireland reunifies using peaceful and political means. There will then be all out Civil War and the Irish Gardai and Army will be assigned the duty of controlling these bigots.

Scotland will be independent also so their entire Union is dissolving before their eyes and the English will soon be a minority in their own country. Playing empire has really backfired upon the English. Sinn Fein are a rising power in the Republic and are the biggest political party on the island of Ireland winning continued democratic mandates. In a United Ireland Sinn Fein will dominate Irish politics.

€50 says Scotland will still be in the union in five years time.

A United Ireland will kill off Sinn Fein, they are one trick ponies. Take away their main reason for existence and no one will want them any more.

mickydoomsux

Fratton Fred wrote: »

A United Ireland will kill off Sinn Fein, they are one trick ponies. Take away their main reason for existence and no one will want them any more.

If they managed to get into power down here we wouldn't have running water or electricity after about a fortnight.

Bunch of idiotic hate-filled goons. Keep your Nordie pissing-match up in your sectarian hellhole.

For Forks Sake

everdead.ie wrote: »

It's also worth pointing out that the likes of Willie Frazer should be ignored he talks of the 1 million Protestant unionists in Northern Ireland when the last census should there to be closer to 850,000.

It should also be noted that in most countries, Willie Frazer would have been sectioned years ago. He was having a rally (read, 3 people) at Facebooks Dublin offices last week. Apparently thye're repressing protestants.

Apparently part of his latest bail conditions is an undertaking to stay off social media. That seems to being ignored by the bould Willie. Some of the stuff on there would be comedy gold, were it not for the fact that he actually believes this nonsense.

.jacksparrow.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

If they managed to get into power down here we wouldn't have running water or electricity after about a fortnight.

Bunch of idiotic hate-filled goons. Keep your Nordie pissing-match up in your sectarian hellhole.

Lovely!

Coillte_Bhoy

For Forks Sake wrote: »

. That seems to being ignored by the bould Willie. Some of the stuff on there would be comedy gold, were it not for the fact that he actually believes this nonsense.

ffs, surely it's a parody? Semi illiterate

anncoates

Police need to aggressively bust heads here no matter what ''alienation' occurs in loyalist communities as a result.

I lived in Belfast for years and have many friends that suffer inconvenience and even intimidation year-in, year-out on both sides of the community.

Just batter the c+nts off the streets and stop pandering to their ridiculous approximating of arrant lawbreaking with "culture".

woodoo

They have to bring back the rubber bullets. Either the rioting loyalists run Belfast or the police do. Which is it going to be?

Karl Stein

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Apparently part of his latest bail conditions is an undertaking to stay off social media. That seems to being ignored by the bould Willie. Some of the stuff on there would be comedy gold, were it not for the fact that he actually believes this nonsense.

It's a disgrace Willie! To make matters worse, all the traffic lights in Belfast are now displaying the wee green man on a despicably frequent basis. Quite clearly, this is supposed to symbolise an IRA man. It's a disgrace that Protestants should have to look at this. Therefore, I smashed each and every one I came across. Take that Provo traffic lights! FGAU WATP No Surrender!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfWilliamFrazer

b_mac

hidinginthebush wrote: »

In fairness there's scum on both sides, be they nationalist or loyalist. That said, its easy enough for us to say "why can't they all just let it go, they're living in the past etc.", but this attitude really is part of who they are, its bred into them from an early age. Its a case of if you're not from there, you simply don't understand, and probably never will.

Exactly. All the political/sectarian views, these kind of people have, have not been thought of by themselves they are tought these ideas since they were children.

Nodin

mickydoomsux wrote: »

If they managed to get into power down here we wouldn't have running water or electricity after about a fortnight.

Bunch of idiotic hate-filled goons. Keep your Nordie pissing-match up in your sectarian hellhole.

.....bit much to be going on about SF and "hate filled goons" in your usual hate filled way, tbh.

martinedwards

GUYS GUYS GUYS,

really,

this wasn't a riot.

it wasn't even a disturbance.

It was an EVENT!!

part of the love filled Jambouree that is the International Police and Fire games!!