Loyalists rioting again

markomuscle · 11-08-2013 02:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Banned for one month for trolling

Banned for obvious reasons. Do not post in this thread on your return.

so would you not view comment 118 from 'suicide_circus' about cutting the 6 counties from the island as trolling?

markomuscle · 11-08-2013 03:01PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

the sooner we develop the technology to separate the 6 counties form the rest of the island and let it drift off into the North Sea, the better.

how would it fit between the gap between donegal and scotland to float into the north sea?

[-0-] · 11-08-2013 03:11PM

Some of the comments by the Southern population are extremely narrow minded and self involved, it's actually sad. There is a common theme on boards.ie whereby people just don't give a flying feck about the blatant civil rights issues going on in the North. As long as it's not on their door step, they look down on the people from the area where it is happening, and they don't want it coming to their streets. It's down right ignorant.

I'm an Irish Republican. A true Irish Republican believes in equality for all. For there to be non violent progress in the North, I believe both sides should not be allowed to march. You simply can't let one half of the population celebrate killing the other half if you expect progress and a shared community. That's what happens on the twelfth. If parades and marches of this type are going to be stopped, you have to start there. You cannot let one half of the population have a march, and not let the other half to do it. That's also a civil rights issue. For a shared community to work, both sides have to cease this behaviour.

I was against the marching on the twelfth, and I am against today's commemoration. In saying that, I supported the Provisionals forming in 1969 to protect Catholics who were being beaten, murdered, removed from their homes from Police and the British Army. I do honour their dead. I have a lot of respect for the men of 1913 all of the way through the civil war. I just don't feel need to go marching to demonstrate this because I don't have the Orange Order marching outside my door every year. If I had, then I may feel differently.

11-08-2013 03:24PM

markomuscle wrote: »

so would you not view comment 118 from 'suicide_circus' about cutting the 6 counties from the island as trolling?

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markomuscle · 11-08-2013 03:43PM

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you have me told

Auldloon · 11-08-2013 04:46PM

Auldloon wrote: »

So republicans are marching today in castlederg to commemorate 2 ira men. Is this normal? Do loyalists commemorate paramilitaries that died in active service?

An answer to my own question. Quoted from slugger o' toole.

"Sinn Fein’s justification of the parade has centred round comparing it to loyal order parades. However, in order to compare it to a loyal order parade, such a parade would have to be commemorating loyalist murderers of the Troubles. Whilst one Belfast Orange Lodge does (disgracefully in my view) have a convicted terrorist on its banner (shot by the army) such is rare: I believe unique. No lodges in the Castlederg area have parades commemorating Loyalist murderers. As such the justification seems weak except of course to the Republican faithful"

Jelle1880 · 11-08-2013 05:10PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well their drums have ex uda names on them and they celebrate king billys slaughterof thousands of Catholics they also build massive bonfires and stick statues of holy Mary and tricolours to burn on top.

So that's a 'No' then ?

Mr_Spaceman · 11-08-2013 05:25PM

It's all King Billy's fault!

Him and that white horse of his!

johnmcdnl · 11-08-2013 05:29PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Don't even need to go that far. Rebuild Hadrian's wall at the border like that film Doomsday. Cavan can be included for good measure

Here now, what did we ever do to anyone

Lingua Franca · 11-08-2013 06:35PM

Auldloon wrote: »

An answer to my own question. Quoted from slugger o' toole.

"Sinn Fein’s justification of the parade has centred round comparing it to loyal order parades. However, in order to compare it to a loyal order parade, such a parade would have to be commemorating loyalist murderers of the Troubles. Whilst one Belfast Orange Lodge does (disgracefully in my view) have a convicted terrorist on its banner (shot by the army) such is rare: I believe unique. No lodges in the Castlederg area have parades commemorating Loyalist murderers. As such the justification seems weak except of course to the Republican faithful"

That's just the Orange Lodges, who always distance themselves from anything like that.

Loyalists most certainly do commemorate paramilitaries who died in active service.

Here's one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Robinson_(loyalist)#Controversy_surrounding_commemorative_parades

Edit: and a few more

http://www.colerainetimes.co.uk/news/local/uvf-parade-was-spine-chilling-1-1962639

http://www.bandparades.co.uk/robert-graham-memorial-parade/

awec · 11-08-2013 06:49PM

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

Republicans rioted last summer in Ardoyne after the Orange walk while two people were stabbed and police attacked at an anti-internment bonfire a few nights ago in Belfast. Both republicans and loyalists do like a riot from time to time, sadly.

But yes, of course, the vast majority of people just get on with life as normal. Relatively small numbers of troublemakers will always be the ones who get the news splash; the upshot is that outsiders begin to feel this is the norm in NI. It really isn't.

An empty drum makes the loudest noise.

100%. Spot on.

Lingua Franca wrote: »

That's just the Orange Lodges, who always distance themselves from anything like that.

Loyalists most certainly do commemorate paramilitaries who died in active service.

Here's one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Robinson_(loyalist)#Controversy_surrounding_commemorative_parades

Edit: and a few more

http://www.colerainetimes.co.uk/news/local/uvf-parade-was-spine-chilling-1-1962639

http://www.bandparades.co.uk/robert-graham-memorial-parade/

Yep, they certainly do unfortunately. There is also the Richard Jameson band parade in Portadown every year. There is a lot of hypocrisy in NI, it's part of the problem.

If there hadn't been the larger than usual kerfuffle about parades this year then there would have been nothing said about the parade in Tyrone. I think we can expect this tit-for-tat childish muck for a few years, I just hope it never escalates and people eventually get bored.

Jelle1880 · 11-08-2013 07:06PM

awec wrote: »

Yep, they certainly do unfortunately. There is also the Richard Jameson band parade in Portadown every year. There is a lot of hypocrisy in NI, it's part of the problem.

If there hadn't been the larger than usual kerfuffle about parades this year then there would have been nothing said about the parade in Tyrone. I think we can expect this tit-for-tat childish muck for a few years, I just hope it never escalates and people eventually get bored.

This is not just republican bands walking around with names of former militants on their drums (as happens on both sides during these kind of marches), we had people in full IRA clothing marching along.

Fratton Fred · 11-08-2013 07:09PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well their drums have ex uda names on them and they celebrate king billys slaughterof thousands of Catholics they also build massive bonfires and stick statues of holy Mary and tricolours to burn on top.

King Billy didn't slaughter thousands of Catholics though, other than as part of a war in which he had probably as many Catholics in his army as protestants. He did have the full support of the Pope after all.

Lingua Franca · 11-08-2013 07:13PM

Marching in full paramilitary gear is hardly exclusive to the republican side.

awec · 11-08-2013 07:15PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Marching in full paramilitary gear is hardly exclusive to the republican side.

When/where is that photo from, out of curiosity?

Lingua Franca · 11-08-2013 07:18PM

Here: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/loyalist-paramilitary-groups-start-weapons-decommissioning-28484842.html

awec · 11-08-2013 07:24PM

Looks like a stock photo unrelated to the article. I asked because I reckoned (hoped) that there were no recent parades by loyalist terrorists in uniform.

Anyway, parade is over, without incident thankfully.

Fratton Fred · 11-08-2013 07:26PM

I look forward to the republicans justifying this when they start their annual hissy fit around the Poppy.

guttenberg · 11-08-2013 07:33PM

When is the "Marching season" officially over?

Mr_Spaceman · 11-08-2013 07:36PM

So a shower of dissident IRA scum failed in their quest to march through Belfast city centre.

At least something good has come out of the whole mess.

timthumbni · 11-08-2013 07:37PM

guttenberg wrote: »

When is the "Marching season" officially over?

Think its the black prec. parade on the last Saturday in August that's the last major country wide one. May be few localised band parades after that but not many.

awec · 11-08-2013 07:38PM

guttenberg wrote: »

When is the "Marching season" officially over?

I think black Saturday is the end of it mostly. Last Saturday in August. But I don't think there's anything between now and then.

The major dates each year are July 1 for the battle of the somme parade, the 12th july, 13th july at scarva, the saturday around august 12th for the apprentice boys and then the last saturday in august for the black parade.

Lingua Franca · 11-08-2013 07:40PM

awec wrote: »

Looks like a stock photo unrelated to the article. I asked because I reckoned (hoped) that there were no recent parades by loyalist terrorists in uniform.

Paramilitary uniform is par for the course in the North, always has been.

Anyway, parade is over, without incident thankfully.

Thank goodness, the place has suffered enough in recent weeks. Were there many protestors?

RustyNut · 11-08-2013 07:44PM

I think the government should provide somewhere that the rioters from both sides can indulge in their chosen sport.

Make couple of fields available to them once or twice a month during the summer and supply them with whatever building rubble the local councils built up over the winter months to throw at each other.

Maybe they could get some of the large oil company's to sponsor individual events seeing as so much of their products are used, The Shell Showdown, The Maxol Mixup etc.

We could encourage some riot tourism in these hard up times and bring some much needed revenue into these areas. No doubt some of the adrenaline sport junkies would pay handsomely to put on some PSNI riot gear and enter the affray armed with headache sticks and batton round guns.

Lets try turn this into a positive for the entire community.

awec · 11-08-2013 07:45PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Paramilitary uniform is par for the course in the North, always has been.

Thank goodness, the place has suffered enough in recent weeks. Were there many protestors?

No idea how many protesters there were. Forgot all about it til I read this thread. :pac:

The photo on the bbc suggests the parade itself was pretty small.

timthumbni · 11-08-2013 07:47PM

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

So a shower of dissident IRA scum failed in their quest to march through Belfast city centre.

At least something good has come out of the whole mess.

I certainly don't like to see dissidents anywhere but if in order to stop it the loyalists attack the police it is hardly a victory. Playing right into republican hands actually. Glad it seems to have passed now as we could all do with a breather for a while.

I noted that today they also held a commemoration for the 15th anniversary of the republican bombing of omagh. Sad that this was overshadowed a few miles away by others celebrating 2 bombers who were setting out to do the same thing as omagh.

guinnessdrinker · 11-08-2013 07:59PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I look forward to the republicans justifying this when they start their annual hissy fit around the Poppy.

I don't think the annual "hissy fit" around the Poppy is exclusive to republicans to be fair.

Henlars67 · 11-08-2013 08:06PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I look forward to the republicans justifying this when they start their annual hissy fit around the Poppy.

What hissy fit?

Karl Stein · 11-08-2013 08:21PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

What hissy fit?

Yeah, I was wondering too but couldn't be bothered getting into it.

Henlars67 · 11-08-2013 08:25PM

guttenberg wrote: »

When is the "Marching season" officially over?

It runs from the start of April through to the end of August as far as I know, but open to correction on that

Loyalists rioting again

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