Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

listermint wrote: »

The same could be said about the vitriol your spouting, Its not average workers who caused this or profitted from this. Why people are so happy to see others ground into the ground is beyond this.

Maybe if everybodys ire was properly directed 5 years ago we wouldnt have this noose around all our necks today.

Locked into this because the sheep are far to easy to point fingers at each other than the correct individuals and thiefs.

YOUR money has been stolen and not by bus drivers

No one is arguing against that. But still, Dublin Bus need to take cuts!

KyussBishop wrote: »

No they don't - that's the austerity narrative bullshít. The solution to the crisis is with massive stimulus throughout Europe, not idiotic cuts that worsen the economic crisis.

The private sector is starved of money, and a public sector deficit is by definition, a (very much needed) private sector surplus - and a public deficit is not synonymous with increased taxes either.

Europe is more than capable of providing massive stimulus, all throughout Europe, without any sustainability issues - it's this idiotic austerity narrative which has the public fighting itself (private workers vs public workers), when people should be smart enough to see that unions are the only political power the public have left, and should be bloody supporting them.

People are so gullible, and ignorant of the actual solutions to the crisis, that they can't see past the austerity cuts narrative, and thus they end up fighting against their own best interests - idiotic.

Lol unions.

I worked in construction and u know when i heard from my union rep? When my payments stopped going into their account. You know what they did when i lost my job? **** all. So take your union ****e and stick it cos there is NO WAY they would ever get a penny from me again.

true-or-false wrote: »

There are plenty more people working for DB than drivers.

People who are paid just enough to get by and work very hard for it.

If someone's job is dependent on them getting to work on time, surely it's their responsibility to find another way to get to work. The whole point of striking is to stand up for yourself and show that you mean business - wouldn't be much point in it if it didn't affect other people.

Yeah your'e right

Show the highest paid in the country that you mean business by affecting the lowest paid in the country. That about puts DB drivers on par with politicians when it comes to scumminess.

KyussBishop wrote: »

Name one other organized group that can bring the country to a standstill in protest - nobody else can do that, and you're sure not going to get the Irish out on the streets in spontaneous protest.
What's the standard narrative when people talk about protesting? "Ah sure what difference will it make anyway, that's pointless" That and other crap aimed at disempowering people - unions are all that are left that can do anything.

We have unions with good management, and we have unions with shít management - just like we have companies with good management, and companies with shít management - businesses have their lobby groups for gaining political influence, and we have our unions and fúck all else these days, so you vote to disempower them further, you vote to disempower yourself.

So where have the unions been for the last 8 years? Why have they not "bought the country to a standstill" when thousands lost their jobs? When dole was cut? When billions was given away? Why act now? Because NOW it's not the lower paid being hit it's people on higher wages and NOW they are getting scared. If the unions cared they would have acted a LONG time ago.

Frank Black wrote: »

Fully agree!
This, along with a targeted approach by The Money Fairy, Santa and the ghost of Chuck Norris is the only solution which makes any economic sense.

I'm glad there's still a few of us sane individuals who can see past this austerity bull**** narrative being pumped through the airwaves.

Look, I know it's hard, and people will laugh at us, but let's stick together and keep pushing our message. One day the sheep will realise that we were right all along.

Most people already have an inkling that the austerity narrative is nonsense, but stay away from economic topics because it's so mired in ideology and bullshít, designed to muddy debate and drive people away from learning about it.

Bollocks like the above is exactly what people avoid, because it's easy for them to see how quick economic discussions turn into crap and trench warfare - avoiding such discussion is a sensible choice in favour of sanity and not wasting your time, yet it also means the entire discussion is successfully shut down everywhere you look online and in print/media, and as a result people in general have no clue about the massive gaping flaws in economic theory and the running of economies today, and thus are successfully deterred from learning the solutions (which are not actually complicated, just smeared to death by ideologues).


All the solutions needed for ending the crisis are already known from a long time ago (from the last comparably massive crisis 80 years ago in fact), and what remains is purely politics, ideology and propaganda, spouted largely by useful-idiots following economically right-wing dogma.

There is a reason they almost universally drop to bullshít methods of argument, involving primarily straw-men, imaginary Communist-bashing, public sector vs private sector nonsense and just...any kind of fallacious form of argument you can think of: None of them want an honest argument, they are there to muddy debate - many of them (being 'useful-idiots') don't even see it either.
Until more people routinely call them out on it, there will be zero change and discussion will successfully be suppressed pretty much everywhere - it is an extremely successful way to disempower people, by preventing them from even learning about the topic.