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The Pat Kenny Show

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Larry Gogan is going to die.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    mike65 wrote: »
    Larry Gogan is going to die.[/QUOT

    who isn't ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭GSF


    mike65 wrote: »
    Larry Gogan is going to die.

    who isn't ?

    Should we call the Gardai?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    serfboard wrote: »
    Wind back not too many years ago and removing Pat and Marian would save a million euro from the wage bill! (And yes, I know they're contractors).

    Throw in Tubridy as well and you could replace those three people with 30 (good) people from local/community radio. They could go into production and you could bump others up.

    Sorry but the notion that you could just throw any community radio presenter in to one of the slots occupied by one of RTE's seasoned presenters is just nonsense.

    I am in no way trying to justify their ridiculous salaries but they have built up a listnership on the back of their ability. You don't just replace that easily. Personality like it or not, carries weight in the media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    It's interesting that we finally get to see a live answer to the whole, "Well if we don't pay higher wages, we can't stay competitive," quandary that RTE have raised over the years. This move could indeed have gigantic implications, but perhaps not in the way people are expecting.

    Personally, I don't see them being that affected. Pat will take a small chunk of listeners, no doubt, but RTE are still leading into the slot with the most popular show on Irish radio (if you ignore John Murray, who's not rushing people to switch onto Radio 1 but not forcing them to switch off either). I reckon they could ride this out as long as they don't try anything too drastic, e.g. Miriam. I see they've already officially re-named the show 'Today With Myles Dungan', so I reckon they'll just let that play out for a while and see how it goes.

    Pat was successful and well-remunerated for so long in that slot because he could give a grilling without libeling anyone. Myles, or someone equally competent if not spectacular, can do the same. Switching the dial to Newstalk is a bigger switch for Radio 1's older audience than getting used to the guy who fills in for Pat for six weeks a year anyway. Unlike Pat, not all 65 and overs are up for a new challenge. In fact most are fairly set in their ways and not in the mood for change.

    What that means is that RTE may get a resounding "No" to the above point that they've been raising themselves for years now. Which means that, all of a sudden, heads are potentially on the chopping block. Do people listen to Liveline for Joe or because it's Liveline, for example? Is Tubridy propping up 2FM's audience with their biggest show during an otherwise impossible time, or is he responsible for the ratings slide? We may finally have some of these questions answered...

    Side-note: remember when G Ryan passed and everyone said that Tubridy was the only man who could possibly attempt to fill his boots? Some are hinting that the same could be true here, though not nearly as many as a few years ago. That's because we've seen, and perhaps RTE have learned, that sometimes evolution not revolution is the best way to handle a major setback like this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Pat Kenny will bring tones of listeners to Newtalk.
    Tom dunne is an empty vessel who hasn't bothered his arse to become more leraned and informed. Thems the breaks. newstalk should get rid of their other amateurs like Jonathan Healy, chris donohoe amd that clown coleman X2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Aidric wrote: »
    Sorry but the notion that you could just throw any community radio presenter in to one of the slots occupied by one of RTE's seasoned presenters is just nonsense.

    I am in no way trying to justify their ridiculous salaries but they have built up a listnership on the back of their ability. You don't just replace that easily. Personality like it or not, carries weight in the media.

    I wonder if the ratings for Marian Finucane's show have dropped as a result of her not being there for the past couple of weeks? I doubt they have. In fact, I'd be more inclined to listen to Aine Lawlor or Rachel English instead of Marian, and they would probably command a fraction of the money that Marian is on.

    Whatever about Pat Kenny's salary, at least it could be argued that he did plenty of work for his money over the years, what with The Late Late, Primetime, Today with PK, The Frontline etc. but Marian has been freewheeling for years, and her ridiculous salary for presenting a two hour show on two days a week goes to show just how crazy things had gotten at RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭McDave


    Whatever about Pat Kenny's salary, at least it could be argued that he did plenty of work for his money over the years, what with The Late Late, Primetime, Today with PK, The Frontline etc. but Marian has been freewheeling for years, and her ridiculous salary for presenting a two hour show on two days a week goes to show just how crazy things had gotten at RTE.

    Couldn't agree more. Finucane's pay for so little airtime is simply scandalous, and yet another reason to do away with the TV licence which helps fund her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    leggo wrote: »
    Side-note: remember when G Ryan passed and everyone said that Tubridy was the only man who could possibly attempt to fill his boots?

    I said from the start that Tubridy was possibly the worst replacement or Gerry Ryan... Gerry Ryan was controversial, brave, talk endlessly about his kids and personal life (which the callers could relate to)... Tubridy is cowardly (as an interviewer), conservative, and painfully sidesteps even the most generic questions about his personal life... He was the WORST possible replacement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    Be interesting to see who the other mooted big name is.

    Marians a busted flush IMO . It'd be a big story but in reality she's been coasting for years and is seriously out of touch with modern Ireland.

    Charlie bird attracted more listeners than she did when she fecked off for 15 weeks on end. Hence her 200k paycut.

    Anyone taking her on is looking at a serious financial hit . I could see her going but can't think who'd be mad enough to employ her .

    Joe would be massive but considering how shocked he was at pat going I reckon you'd need dynamite to get him out of montrose.

    Really can't see who it could be . One of the girls maybe ?

    Rachel English or aine lawlor could do good on newstalk to help boost their wimin quota .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭washiskin


    I could cope with Myles Dungan or Rachel English in that spot but to be perfectly honest, I think either PBH or Audrey Carville would be a great replacement for PK.

    Also, cut out the music altogether - it distracts form the tone of the show imho and keep it about current affairs & lifestyle and please, for the love of God, NO MLOD!!!! (I just hope Pat does the same over at Newstalk! :D)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    washiskin wrote: »
    I could cope with Myles Dungan or Rachel English in that spot but to be perfectly honest, I think either PBH or Audrey Carville would be a great replacement for PK.

    Also, cut out the music altogether - it distracts form the tone of the show imho and keep it about current affairs & lifestyle and please, for the love of God, NO MLOD!!!! (I just hope Pat does the same over at Newstalk! :D)

    MLOD will be lost without Pat. Myles doesn't fawn over her half as much as Pat did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,145 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If RTE are looking for a like-for-like replacement with a similarly broad range of interests, the best candidate that I can see is Matt Cooper. And of course there would be an 'eye for an eye' element if they snatched him from Communicorp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭LeakyGee


    Kenny was p*ssed with RTE about TV roles and getting 'demoted'

    Kenny was p*ssed at the constant scrutiny of his very public salary

    Kenny was P*ssed last Christmas on mulled wine

    There's my tuppence!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    LeakyGee wrote: »
    Kenny was p*ssed with RTE about TV roles and getting 'demoted'

    Kenny was p*ssed at the constant scrutiny of his very public salary

    Kenny was P*ssed last Christmas on mulled wine

    There's my tuppence!

    Not half as pissed as he was at the investments himself and Sean Dunne made together, hence the move to Newstalk for a few dollars more.

    Make no mistake, thats why he moved!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Fuzzy Clam


    Miriam to follow Pat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Ah no! Keep her mumsying away on RTE radio opposite Pat so I don't need to hear her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Fuzzy Clam


    mike65 wrote: »
    Ah no! Keep her mumsying away on RTE radio opposite Pat so I don't need to hear her.

    I could be wrong:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Aidric wrote: »
    Sorry but the notion that you could just throw any community radio presenter in to one of the slots occupied by one of RTE's seasoned presenters is just nonsense.
    It is. Which is why I didn't say it. What I did say was:
    serfboard wrote: »
    you could replace those three people with 30 (good) people from local/community radio. They could go into production and you could bump others up.
    I also mentioned local radio which you didn't read either. Where do you think RTE get people from? (Rachel English, Marty Morrissey ex Clare FM, Joe Stack, ex Kerry Radio etc.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭heybaby


    There is inevitably going to be alot of hype, soul searching and finger pointing as a result of Pats move but once the dust settles i think it will show the radio landscape hasnt changed.

    Having put in 41 years at RTE Pat felt he was entitled to better treatment than the boffins in montrose were giving him, whether thats true or not I dont know but I think the fact that he chose to part company with them rather than the other way around is alarming. The man is 65 years of age, he's a pensioner much like the rest of rte, in reality he had 4 decades at the tax payers expense, it really should have been rte that should have ended this relationship with a view to the future.

    The radio 1 'talent' like much of its audience is ageing, but there is little thought going into the next generation. Gaybo is being a bit hysterical when he says Radio 1 wants to parachute graduates in to RTE, that is utter nonsense, as anyone who knows anything about RTE will tell you its nearly impossible to get into. I have always respected Gaybo but he cant see the wood for the trees in this instance.

    Kenny's ego was hurt clearly by the loss of the late late and the frontline. In reality Kenny should never have been given the late late , because the show should have been retired with Gaybo. Instead we had a decade of an uncomfortable cringemaking Pat trying to do light entertainment and essentially just coming across as awkward. In any other country the shepherds crook would have appeared from stage left after one season.

    Personally I have always found Pat's inability to fluctuate from political subject matter to lighter stuff as evidence of his deficiencies. I would place Matt Cooper way ahead of Pat when it comes to cornering politicians and on his ability to show tact which Pat never had. Kenny was always efficient yes, but very much soulless yet because he worked for the state broadcaster his audience was always guaranteed. The most fascinating thing for me now is whether he will bring listeners with him. I believe he will bring some, perhaps many, but I do not think he has a hope of increasing Newstalks numbers from the 50k Tom Dunne has to anywhere near the 330k Pat had on radio 1, purely because radio 1 listeners are very much set in their ways, as far as they are concerned RTE is the gospel.

    I also dont believe Kenny's move will be a game changer. DOB is clearly funding this move much like he's bankrolling Trapatonni for the FAI, but DOB isnt going to start hiring en masse from montrose. Rte will keep the fuss to a minimum, Miriam will get Pat's slot and once every quarter there will be the inevitable chatter and comparisons made.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Sorry Heybaby, but Pat Kenny is light years ahead of anyone broadcasting in Ireland. He will be a massive loss to RTE. He was always top of he's game when it came to interviewing and drawing information out.

    I like Matt cooper but he is not on the same level as Pat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    So much depends on the RTE response, pick the wrong person for a daily two hour slot and NTs job will be that much easier.

    Cooper is not as good as Kenny, the former is only genuinely forensic on financial issues, which is hardly a surprise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,145 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    mike65 wrote: »
    So much depends on the RTE response, pick the wrong person for a daily two hour slot and NTs job will be that much easier.

    Cooper is not as good as Kenny, the former is only genuinely forensic on financial issues, which is hardly a surprise.

    I don't say he's as good but he's the next best thing that I can see (the only other person in the ballpark IMO is the current stand-in) Funny I don't find him particularly tactful, in fact sometimes his line of questioning is needlessly confrontational. Plus I'd say he has a genuine interest in some areas where Pat is only swotting up e.g. when someone from Mad Men or The Wire is being interviewed, Matt is likely to have actually watched the box set, whereas Pat has only read a briefing document from one of his researchers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Sorry Heybaby, but Pat Kenny is light years ahead of anyone broadcasting in Ireland. He will be a massive loss to RTE. He was always top of he's game when it came to interviewing and drawing information out.

    I like Matt cooper but he is not on the same level as Pat.

    Pat Kenny is a good broadcaster, but he's not that good. Used to make several mistakes and they'd never be corrected. Not saying it was his fault, as a good presenter can be let down by poor research and production. However, when people did try to correct him he'd get ratty.

    There are several broadcasters on Local Radio who could make the move up to national with no effort. When listening figures come out in 12 months and there's only a fall of about 10 percent (or less) It'll be obvious that people listen because it's RTE Radio 1 rather than the presenter.

    What happens if figures go up???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I don't say he's as good but he's the next best thing that I can see (the only other person in the ballpark IMO is the current stand-in) Funny I don't find him particularly tactful, in fact sometimes his line of questioning is needlessly confrontational. Plus I'd say he has a genuine interest in some areas where Pat is only swotting up e.g. when someone from Mad Men or The Wire is being interviewed, Matt is likely to have actually watched the box set, whereas Pat has only read a briefing document from one of his researchers.

    Well that's just popular pap, Pat has no time for such fripperies! Nor do I on a current affairs programme. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    I don't say he's as good but he's the next best thing that I can see (the only other person in the ballpark IMO is the current stand-in) Funny I don't find him particularly tactful, in fact sometimes his line of questioning is needlessly confrontational. Plus I'd say he has a genuine interest in some areas where Pat is only swotting up e.g. when someone from Mad Men or The Wire is being interviewed, Matt is likely to have actually watched the box set, whereas Pat has only read a briefing document from one of his researchers.

    That's all very true, give me Matt over Pat any day (though I hope Matt doesn't leave Today FM, he's a good match there as he brings the credibility of the current events coverage up while also fitting in with the more relaxed atmosphere at other times). He can cover everything from politics to sport to celeb interviews, tech, TV and movies seamlessly. Matt can relate to everybody on some level, whereas I don't ever think I've even met another person who has reminded me of Pat Kenny. He's one of a kind, which works both for and against him.

    Having said that, on budget week there's nothing like Pat laying into a bumbling Finance Minister for a good hour or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,145 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    mike65 wrote: »
    Well that's just popular pap, Pat has no time for such fripperies! Nor do I on a current affairs programme. :)

    But that's just the thing, Today with PK wasn't a straight current affairs show, if the replacement is gonna be, there's probably a dozen people at RTE who could do a decent job. But if you're gonna stick say Miriam O'Callaghan in there and ask her to replicate PK's show, if she doesn't have a genuine interest in at least some of music, movies, sport, tech etc. then the loss of PK is going to be felt. When she's talking to sportspeople on her chat shows, it's ok to focus on the 'human interest' side of things, but I don't think that's cut it for a daily two-hour radio show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭GSF


    Much being made of Pat Kenny being 65, but to me he doesn't sound like a pensioner. Gaybo towards the end of his full time career did sound old but Kenny seems to have always sounded middle aged ever since he was on RTE Radio 2 as it was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    leggo wrote: »
    That's all very true, give me Matt over Pat any day (though I hope Matt doesn't leave Today FM, he's a good match there as he brings the credibility of the current events coverage up while also fitting in with the more relaxed atmosphere at other times). He can cover everything from politics to sport to celeb interviews, tech, TV and movies seamlessly. Matt can relate to everybody on some level, whereas I don't ever think I've even met another person who has reminded me of Pat Kenny. He's one of a kind, which works both for and against him.

    Having said that, on budget week there's nothing like Pat laying into a bumbling Finance Minister for a good hour or so.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭theholyghost


    It will be interesting to watch this one. I think Kenny deserves to bring some listeners with him but I also wonder about the Radio One mentality! I suspect there are a lot of listeners who dont even know about Newstalk and if they did probably couldn't tune to another station. I think they will need to give him lots of good publicity as he starts.

    But what is realistic, assuming listeners migrate from Radio One. If he brings about 50,00 with him and and maintains a listenership of over 100,00 for his slot. Surely that would be a good result?


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