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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭wawaman


    meriwether wrote: »
    You are comparig apples and turnips.

    Its public record Arsenal have made a bid to sagn Suarez. Liverpool have said as much. So itspretty obvious Wenger wants him, which is what he says in the media.

    Barca tapped up and attempted to destabilise Cesc within the club. There is no suggestion whatsoever Arsenal are behaving improperly in relation to their approach to Suarez.

    Exactly, when one of the arsenal players tries to put an Arsenal shirt on Suarez in public, thats when Liverpool will have reason to moan. Everything up to today has come from Liverpool.

    Maybe its just me trying to take a positive from things but i thought the fact that Wenger publically stated that he is still interested is really encouraging considering some of the reports this week that Arsenal had pulled the plug on the deal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    I really need think you need to re watch a lot of last season, he is the best finisher at the club and is technically excellent many a time last season did I see him beat his man and more. He often gave us a sense of urgency we lacked last season when got on the ball. You don't play the majority of you German international caps on left wing whilst being bad there in that German national team ;).

    I would like to see him more centrally myself but he is far from a poor wide man.
    He doesn't even get him game for Germany anymore, anyway we won't agree here, but there is a reason we were going to bid for Bernard, a left winger.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    I really need think you need to re watch a lot of last season, he is the best finisher at the club and is technically excellent many a time last season did I see him beat his man and more. He often gave us a sense of urgency we lacked last season when got on the ball. You don't play the majority of you German international caps on left wing whilst being bad there in that German national team ;).

    I would like to see him more centrally myself but he is far from a poor wide man.
    And Walcott is a better finisher but that's for another day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    meriwether wrote: »
    Just like Pires and Ljungberg then.
    Please don't mention Podolski and Walcott in the same breath as the 2 above as they wouldn't lace there boots :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭dvemail


    Podolski was great for us out the wing when he seemed bothered. He has one of the better crosses of a ball at the club and his assists last season show that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Look someone said we have great options out wide, Walcott been one of them, lets not compare him to pires who was a smashing player, on a different level to Walcott.

    Im not saying he is as good as Pires.

    You on the other hand have criticised Walcott for not being a "man beater" out wide.

    Neither was Pires or Ljungberg.

    Walcotts problem is in fact his finishing when he gets into position, unlike Pires and Freddie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Podolskis international record is crazy though, hes got about 100 caps and like 40 goals despite being only 28/29.

    The guy is a class player and is well able to play on the left and very well, IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    meriwether wrote: »
    Im not saying he is as good as Pires.

    You on the other hand have criticised Walcott for not being a "man beater" out wide.

    Neither was Pires or Ljungberg.

    Walcotts problem is in fact his finishing when he gets into position, unlike Pires and Freddie.

    So what makes him a good wide option then ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Please don't mention Podolski and Walcott in the same breath as the 2 above as they wouldn't lace there boots :D

    Please try and understand the basic point I was making, which wasnt that Walcott and Pod are/were as good as Pires and Ljungberg.

    My point is that they are being criticised for not being "typical wingers, i.e. beat a man and whip in a cross.

    Pires and Freddie didnt play like that either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    I think Podolski is an okay player who has regressed with age, good player to have in the squad but we should be looking at better players for our starting XI.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    meriwether wrote: »
    Please try and understand the basic point I was making, which wasnt that Walcott and Pod are/were as good as Pires and Ljungberg.

    My point is that they are being criticised for not being "typical wingers, i.e. beat a man and whip in a cross.

    Pires and Freddie didnt play like that either.

    Yes they did??

    Freddy was always beating players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    He doesn't even get him game for Germany anymore, anyway we won't agree here, but there is a reason we were going to bid for Bernard, a left winger.

    He does actually ;), himself and Bierhoff recently had a public spat because Bierhoff said he didn't warrant his place ;). Yeh we were going for Bernard because it looks like Gerv is going out plus it looks like we never even bid for Bernard ;).
    And Walcott is a better finisher but that's for another day

    I honestly don't think you watched any games last season if you can say that.

    You'll see one or two crosses coming in here two from Podolski along with some terrific finishing. If you ever see Walcott catching a volley sweetly and thundering it into the goal let me know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Drexel


    So what makes him a good wide option then ?

    Walcott through the middle wasnt great. He is much more effective on the wing. He got loads of assists last season. Traditional wingers are a thing of the past really I think.


    EDIT: wasnt Podolski injured for a lot of last season too. Think he could have a really good season this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    So what makes him a good wide option then ?

    Getting into position in the box.

    Goals.

    What he needs to do is score more goals, and track back better/work harder in defence.

    Freddie and Pires were goalscoring wingers, specialising in arriving late into the box.

    Ashley Young is your typical winger. A typical winger isnt all its cracked up to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    He doesn't even get him game for Germany anymore, anyway we won't agree here, but there is a reason we were going to bid for Bernard, a left winger.

    Hopefully this may be a bit of a challenge for him - to earn back his place in the German XI


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    He does actually ;), himself and Bierhoff recently had a public spat because Bierhoff said he didn't warrant his place ;). Yeh we were going for Bernard because it looks like Gerv is going out plus it looks like we never even bid for Bernard ;).



    I honestly don't think you watched any games last season if you can say that.

    You'll see one or two crosses coming in here two from Podolski along with some terrific finishing. If you ever see Walcott catching a volley sweetly and thundering it into the goal let me know.


    I think theo is the best finisher at the club, when he is one on one he usually finishes it, as I said I like podolski a lot, just don't think out wide is his best position.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Poldi's a better finisher than Theo but Theo's movement and pace get him more opportunities... and both are probably better players than Freddie was!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Yes they did??

    Freddy was always beating players.

    They were goalscorers primarily, beating men on the wing was secondary.

    Walcott had (according to web) 14 goals and ten assists in the PL last season. We need more of them, and better defensive work, as opposed to changing his style of play to beat defenders and zip the ball in.

    Nothing wrong with that, but they are two different styles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Poldi's a better finisher than Theo but Theo's movement and pace get him more opportunities... and both are probably better players than Freddie was!

    Easy now.

    Lets not go mad here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Poldi's a better finisher than Theo but Theo's movement and pace get him more opportunities... and both are probably better players than Freddie was!
    Not a chance Podolski is better than Freddie not a chance!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    I think Podolski is an okay player who has regressed with age, good player to have in the squad but we should be looking at better players for our starting XI.


    Regressed with age? He is coming to the age were most players hit there peak, I really think some people's constant negativity is starting to blind them to the fact we already have some top quality players at the club who just need a few more sprinklings of players to be challengers. I'd rather Podolski and Walcott than say United's wide option's which are woeful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭dvemail


    The infamous Geoff

    Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal 1h

    Hearing both Chamakh & Gervinho have gone. That's gotta be worth a cup of tea in celebration.



    Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal 1h

    Chamakh to Crystal Palace on loan. Gervais to Roma. Permanent.



    Lets hope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭bad2dabone


    If all we do is add depth without adding to the first 11 then it's a step backwards.

    Hopefully, nothing to suggest it so far though.

    I agree with you Button. Hopefully this is the start of a beautiful friendship :)
    I've a great feeling about Sanogo, but yeah we need 3 first teamers I think.

    Re Podolski – the game vs west ham last season he showed his class, he was incredible, where he scored 1 and made 3.
    He also scored some crucial goals and did well goalswise when OG was suspended.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Regressed with age? He is coming to the age were most players hit there peak, I really think some people's constant negativity is starting to blind them to the fact we already have some top quality players at the club who just need a few more sprinklings of players to be challengers. I'd rather Podolski and Walcott than say United's wide option's which are woeful.
    Well time will tell, exciting times ahead nonetheless!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    dvemail wrote: »
    The infamous Geoff

    Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal 1h

    Hearing both Chamakh & Gervinho have gone. That's gotta be worth a cup of tea in celebration.



    Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal 1h

    Chamakh to Crystal Palace on loan. Gervais to Roma. Permanent.



    Lets hope.

    Id be panicking more if we werent getting rid of the deadwood.

    If we were retaining htem, Id reckon we werent going to sign anyone.

    But our squad, as it is, is nowpretty thin. So he has to sign someone.

    Doesnt he?


    As an aside, I reckon Modric could be an interesting target. Him and Suarez = interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭dvemail


    meriwether wrote: »
    Id be panicking more if we werent getting rid of the deadwood.

    If we were retaining htem, Id reckon we werent going to sign anyone.

    But our squad, as it is, is nowpretty thin. So he has to sign someone.

    Doesnt he?


    As an aside, I reckon Modric could be an interesting target. Him and Suarez = interesting.

    That's what I'm telling myself, we have gotten rid of quite a few players but only brought in one in Sanogo. Even with maybe two or three promotions up to the senior squad for the young lads, it still leaves room for at least 2 players to come in from other clubs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Regressed with age? He is coming to the age were most players hit there peak, I really think some people's constant negativity is starting to blind them to the fact we already have some top quality players at the club who just need a few more sprinklings of players to be challengers. I'd rather Podolski and Walcott than say United's wide option's which are woeful.
    I just don't rate him that highly, no pace, cant run at players like you would expect a wide player to, I think he would be put to better use up front but I would always start Giroud ahead of him. As I said I think he is good to have in the squad if you want to rotate and rest some of the more regular starters. Why do you think we only finished 4th its because we have too many players like Podolski that aren't top class but just good decent players who will get the job done against lesser teams but will always fall short against the best on a consistent basis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    I just don't rate him that highly, no pace, cant run at players like you would expect a wide player to, I think he would be put to better use up front but I would always start Giroud ahead of him. As I said I think he is good to have in the squad if you want to rotate and rest some of the more regular starters. Why do you think we finished 4th its because we have too many players like Podolski that aren't top class but just good decent players who will get the job done against lesser teams but will always fall short against the best on a consistent basis.

    Well have to agree to disagree on this one. Look at the stat Gav posted on his German international career, you don't get them caps or goals playing for the German national team by being an average player. He is one of our better players. Like I said I think some people have been blinded by there own negativitiy. We have problems in the squad but wide areas would be one of the lowest down the list. United would to have our wide options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Well have to agree to disagree on this one. Look at the stat Gav posted on his German international career, you don't get them caps or goals playing for the German national team by being an average player. He is one of our better players. Like I said I think some people have been blinded by there own negativitiy. We have problems in the squad but wide areas would be one of the lowest down the list. United would to have our wide options.
    I am not negative I am just sick to death of every season being like groundhog day, out of the title race by Feb and only sweating to make sure we get a Champs Lge spot. I am also sick of us buying 2nd rate players like Podolski, Gervinho, Santos etc when we now have the financial power to get the best out there. Look at Higuain one of the best strikers in world football and we wouldnt pay the extra few million for him. A player who could of took us to the next level.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Im a Wenger fan and supporter, but missing out on Higuain was inexcusable.

    It sone thing to be outgunned by the Russian and Oil millionaires of Chelsea, PSG, City and so on, but Napoli?

    Seriously now.


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