Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

speedboatchase · 02-08-2013 03:02PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

He is very stubborn and it’s really frustrating to watch, but he has his philosophies and despite the drawbacks (such as us clawing our hair out at times like this) he has kept us eating at the top table while building a stadium which none of our rivals have had to do, he’s delivered success on and off the field and although I readily admit that if the coming season is a failure then I will no longer be in support of him, he does deserve more respect than he’s currently getting from certain posters. Far more respect.

He’s definitely due criticism but I’ll always be thankful to what he’s done for the club. As I’ve said before it’s the managers who inherit Arsenal after he’s gone who’ll benefit the most from his time in charge.

I absolutely agree but the first paragraph you wrote is exactly why so many of us were excited about this summer. We could finally claw back to become title contenders and sign world-class talent. Maybe old habits die hard but it appears that after so many years of austerity, Wenger can't bring himself to do that, and that's why I consider him to be our main stumbling block right now.

ronjo · 02-08-2013 03:08PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

I know GG won 2 leagues and I think an FA cup?, but what I’m saying is we did have long gaps between trophies before him.

It was the League Cup in 87 after two glorious screamers from Champagne Charlie.

First time ever Liverpool lost a game that Rush scored in and if I remember correctly they actually lost their next league game and Rush scored in that too.

bad2dabone · 02-08-2013 03:08PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Maybe old habits die hard but it appears that after so many years of austerity, Wenger can't bring himself to do that, and that's why I consider him to be our main stumbling block right now.

Well speedboat if by the end of the window we haven’t done some proper business then I will be in complete and total agreement.
I’ll be gutted as I still like Wenger as a guy, I think he’s interesting and intelligent, but if he can’t see that this season with Ferg gone and the Toy Clubs changing managers we’ve got a real chance to get away from the 4th place stigma, then there’s no future for him at arsenal.

Soups123 · 02-08-2013 03:17PM

I took Wengers comments today as positive. We are still interested and negotiating with Pool. I do think the deals will come through and Wenger is right to do it all behind closed doors.

They have to be getting some positive signs from the player and Liverpool otherwise he'd make no noise at all. I think this might be happening.

Hyzepher · 02-08-2013 03:18PM

Looper007 wrote: »

It's been nearly ten year's, We need to stop leaving in the past about all his glories. Yes he did brilliantly but he deserves criticism for the here and now and simply he's to blame for this downfall. Ferguson lived on the here and now and spent when it was need and made UTD stronger every season. We have great stadium and facilities but Football is about winning things too and we simply have flopped on that. I have no regret's calling him a joke. This club say's Arsenal not Arsene Wenger.

10 years is actually not that long to go without a title - just ask any long term Spurs or Chelsea fan.

Even the great Liverpool of the 70s & 80s had a very lean spell beforehand - as did UTD before SAF. Even for Arsenal 10 yrs isn't our longest run without a title.

If you think about that for a minute and then add in the fact that we have not been outside the top 4 in that "lean" period AND also built a new stadium that is the envy of most our rivals - especially in London, I think you need to acknowledge the success of AW and the board.

I know fans measure success by trophy count but if we are to have a lean period then the last 10 years is pretty awesome in that respect.

Marty McFly · 02-08-2013 03:32PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

no chance. none. Our squad is far too small.
we've currently got 1 left back (monreal injured already) with gibbs somewhat injury prone, 3 CB's, 5 midfielders, 3 wide forwards (not counting Ryo) and 2 strikers. with CL, FA cup, PL and CL cup we're simply too light in numbers, I'd say too light in numbers even to be confident of a CL spot.

To leave the squad as shallow as it is now is insane and I believe, negligent.

However I agree with Wenger about Sanogo, he could be fantastic.

While I agree currently our squad is to small and needs some additions we have 4 wide forwards in Walcott, Chamberlain, Podolski and Gnabry who I'm hoping thinking we might see a good bit more of this season.

bad2dabone · 02-08-2013 03:34PM

i left out any of the youngsters as they'll get limited time, but yeah i'd love to see more gnabry, and hopefully Eisfeldt too.

Soups123 · 02-08-2013 03:42PM

I'd really like to see a bit of Gnarby this year, I think he is a potential star and he has been involved long enough now to be given a run.

if not even a loan out to another Premier league team

.jacksparrow. · 02-08-2013 03:47PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

While I agree currently our squad is to small and needs some additions we have 4 wide forwards in Walcott, Chamberlain, Podolski and Gnabry who I'm hoping thinking we might see a good bit more of this season.

All terrible options on the wing.

Marty McFly · 02-08-2013 03:49PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

All terrible options on the wing.

:pac: what? Yeh because Podolski and Walcott both done so terribly last season playing there.

.jacksparrow. · 02-08-2013 03:51PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

:pac: what? Yeh because Podolski and Walcott both done so terribly last season playing there.

Podolski is a goal poacher, he is a terrible winger, can't beat his man and just plays it backwards, much more effective in and around the box, Walcott is the same, most of his goals came from been upfront both good players but definitely not good wingers.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 02-08-2013 03:54PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Podolski is a goal poacher, he is a terrible winger, can't beat his man and just plays it backwards, much more effective in and around the box, Walcott is the same, most of his goals came from been upfront both good players but definitely not good wingers.

Most of Walcott's goals came from playing from the wing. He's more effective from there than up front because he has a more space to run in to.

Marty McFly · 02-08-2013 03:55PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Podolski is a goal poacher, he is a terrible winger, can't beat his man and just plays it backwards, much more effective in and around the box, Walcott is the same, most of his goals came from been upfront both good players but definitely not good wingers.

Podolski can't beat his man? Are you sure you watched Arsenal play at all last season? Just play it backwards? Seriously? Podoski was one of the few players who when he got the ball last season went and attacked and was always looking to make things happen him and Cazorla linked up brilliantly at times.

I'm not sure on the stat of were Walcotts goals came from but a lot of them came from playing out wide, plus what about all his assists?

Paulegend · 02-08-2013 03:56PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

10 years is actually not that long to go without a title - just ask any long term Spurs or Chelsea fan.

Even the great Liverpool of the 70s & 80s had a very lean spell beforehand - as did UTD before SAF. Even for Arsenal 10 yrs isn't our longest run without a title.

If you think about that for a minute and then add in the fact that we have not been outside the top 4 in that "lean" period AND also built a new stadium that is the envy of most our rivals - especially in London, I think you need to acknowledge the success of AW and the board.

I know fans measure success by trophy count but if we are to have a lean period then the last 10 years is pretty awesome in that respect.

as a liverpool fan we where saying the same thing 10 years ago

meriwether · 02-08-2013 03:57PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Podolski is a goal poacher, he is a terrible winger, can't beat his man and just plays it backwards, much more effective in and around the box, Walcott is the same, most of his goals came from been upfront both good players but definitely not good wingers.

Just like Pires and Ljungberg then.

Paulegend · 02-08-2013 03:57PM

i find it funny that wenger is saying he is doing all the talking behind closed doors yet he keeps mentioning wanting to sign suarez in the media. considering all the crap that barca "put arsenal through" in regards cesc i find it kinda ironic that there is no problem using similar tactics. i guess its not the same thing though??

Marty McFly · 02-08-2013 04:00PM

Paulegend wrote: »

i find it funny that wenger is saying he is doing all the talking behind closed doors yet he keeps mentioning wanting to sign suarez in the media. considering all the crap that barca "put arsenal through" in regards cesc i find it kinda ironic that there is no problem using similar tactics. i guess its not the same thing though??

Not really since it was Liverpool who twice made it pubic that Arsenal had put in bids, there was no mention from Arsenal beforehand.

My thought is Liverpool leaked it trying to garner more interest and it backfired, it's Liverpool's own fault anyone to do with Arsenal are constantly being asked questions regards Suarez.

.jacksparrow. · 02-08-2013 04:00PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Podolski can't beat his man? Are you sure you watched Arsenal play at all last season? Just play it backwards? Seriously? Podoski was one of the few players who when he got the ball last season went and attacked and was always looking to make things happen him and Cazorla linked up brilliantly at times.

I'm not sure on the stat of were Walcotts goals came from but a lot of them came from playing out wide, plus what about all his assists?

Seriously I think you need to have a look back, he can't beat his man he is too slow and doesn't have the technical ability, I like him as a player but not a winger.

wandatowell · 02-08-2013 04:02PM

"I don't want to speak about Suarez, because that is between Liverpool and Arsenal. We will completely respect what Liverpool wants to do.

"We want to (sign the player) if it is feasible in an amicable way.

Arsene Wenger on Suarez.

You can say what ye like about Wenger but the guy is a class act.

Paulegend wrote: »

i find it funny that wenger is saying he is doing all the talking behind closed doors yet he keeps mentioning wanting to sign suarez in the media. considering all the crap that barca "put arsenal through" in regards cesc i find it kinda ironic that there is no problem using similar tactics. i guess its not the same thing though??

Are you for real? Arsene ALWAYS answers the questions he is asked by the media. Would you want the club to start vetting the questions he is asked like other clubs do. The above quote is what he said and it was the right thing to say.

He has shown respect to Liverpool.

Soups123 · 02-08-2013 04:02PM

Paulegend wrote: »

i find it funny that wenger is saying he is doing all the talking behind closed doors yet he keeps mentioning wanting to sign suarez in the media. considering all the crap that barca "put arsenal through" in regards cesc i find it kinda ironic that there is no problem using similar tactics. i guess its not the same thing though??

Today is the first his name has come up I would have thought, but sure Liverpool are speaking about it most??

meriwether · 02-08-2013 04:02PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

I know GG won 2 leagues and I think an FA cup?, but what I’m saying is we did have long gaps between trophies before him.

Title in 89 and 91, Coke and FA cup double in 93, cup winners cup in 94, Coke cup/whatever it was called in 87 (i think).

Interspersed with Wrexham dumping us out of the FA cup in 1992, Tony Adams arrested for being 17 times over the limit when crashing, brawling our way around the division for a few years, brawlig with United and having 2 points deducted, Winterburn following McClair to the touchline when he missed the peno, Paul Davis punching some spurs prick, Cockerill I think.

I still love George.

02-08-2013 04:04PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

no chance. none. Our squad is far too small.
we've currently got 1 left back (monreal injured already) with gibbs somewhat injury prone, 3 CB's, 5 midfielders, 3 wide forwards (not counting Ryo) and 2 strikers. with CL, FA cup, PL and CL cup we're simply too light in numbers, I'd say too light in numbers even to be confident of a CL spot.

If all we do is add depth without adding to the first 11 then it's a step backwards.

However I agree with Wenger about Sanogo, he could be fantastic.

Hopefully, nothing to suggest it so far though.

.jacksparrow. · 02-08-2013 04:05PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Most of Walcott's goals came from playing from the wing. He's more effective from there than up front because he has a more space to run in to.

Ye usually into an alley and looses the ball, I'm talking about beating the full back here, not scoring goals.

As a typical winger which beats their man and delivers a ball into the box he is poor and has been for years.

Soups123 · 02-08-2013 04:05PM

meriwether wrote: »

Title in 89 and 91, Coke and FA cup double in 93, cup winners cup in 94, Coke cup/whatever it was called in 87 (i think).

Interspersed with Wrexham dumping us out of the FA cup in 1992, Tony Adams arrested for being 17 times over the limit when crashing, brawling our way around the division for a few years, brawlig with United and having 2 points deducted, Winterburn following McClair to the touchline when he missed the peno, Paul Davis punching some spurs prick, Cockerill I think.

I still love George.

Sometimes I read posts and think to myself, I'm not as dedicated a fan as others. I fail to recall some of that but i'd have only been about 11/12

meriwether · 02-08-2013 04:05PM

Paulegend wrote: »

i find it funny that wenger is saying he is doing all the talking behind closed doors yet he keeps mentioning wanting to sign suarez in the media. considering all the crap that barca "put arsenal through" in regards cesc i find it kinda ironic that there is no problem using similar tactics. i guess its not the same thing though??

You are comparig apples and turnips.

Its public record Arsenal have made a bid to sagn Suarez. Liverpool have said as much. So itspretty obvious Wenger wants him, which is what he says in the media.

Barca tapped up and attempted to destabilise Cesc within the club. There is no suggestion whatsoever Arsenal are behaving improperly in relation to their approach to Suarez.

Soups123 · 02-08-2013 04:06PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Ye usually into an alley and looses the ball, I'm talking about beating the full back here, not scoring goals.

As a typical winger which beats their man and delivers a ball into the box he is poor and has been for years.

I agree they arent wingers they play wide of midfield.

meriwether · 02-08-2013 04:07PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Ye usually into an alley and looses the ball, I'm talking about beating the full back here, not scoring goals.

As a typical winger which beats their man and delivers a ball into the box he is poor and has been for years.

Hes not a "typical" winger, whatever that is, which is your first mistake.

Neither was Freddie or Pires.

.jacksparrow. · 02-08-2013 04:08PM

Paulegend wrote: »

i find it funny that wenger is saying he is doing all the talking behind closed doors yet he keeps mentioning wanting to sign suarez in the media. considering all the crap that barca "put arsenal through" in regards cesc i find it kinda ironic that there is no problem using similar tactics. i guess its not the same thing though??

Maybe you should look closer to home, your owners comments last week was very disrespectful and unprofessional, I think you will find Wenger has more class a hundred times over than your owner.

Marty McFly · 02-08-2013 04:09PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Seriously I think you need to have a look back, he can't beat his man he is too slow and doesn't have the technical ability, I like him as a player but not a winger.

I really need think you need to re watch a lot of last season, he is the best finisher at the club and is technically excellent many a time last season did I see him beat his man and more. He often gave us a sense of urgency we lacked last season when got on the ball. You don't play the majority of you German international caps on left wing whilst being bad there in that German national team

.

I would like to see him more centrally myself but he is far from a poor wide man.

.jacksparrow. · 02-08-2013 04:10PM

meriwether wrote: »

Hes not a "typical" winger, whatever that is, which is your first mistake.

Neither was Freddie or Pires.

Look someone said we have great options out wide, Walcott been one of them, lets not compare him to pires who was a smashing player, on a different level to Walcott.

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