The NoFap Challenge

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there any indication as to why these people think the issue only occurs with masturbation and nto actual sex? Why is one bad when the other is not? Can ones penis even "tell" the difference?

Of course your penis can't, but your brain can.

A bad auld case of the Blueballs.

Nofap is silly I think. Men were made to cum. Besides the testosterone 'bonus' subsides after day 7. Noporn is a more worthwhile endeavour.

edit: just reading the thread many seem to think that **** should be synonymous with watching porn. Maybe that's where this 'nofap' fad comes from.

Grayson wrote: »

yep. there is. A lot of people who are on no fap experience Ed and that's the reason they start the challenge.

watch this.

That's not really science though, the problem with youtube videos is the lack of reliable references. This guy is (apparently) a teacher who is occasionally citing scientific research which doesn't always correspond with what he is saying, or what you are suggesting.

The only two relevant studies he cites and that I found online related (i) to the Italian study on erectile dysfunction and (ii) the research of a Professor Lejeunesse from Montreal. The former research only relates to addictive levels of masturbation; the latter's research seems to contradict some of the disruptive/ destructive doomsaying contained in that video.

This is exactly why people shouldn't educate themselves per YouTube, imo.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Baldness has very little, if any, link to high testosterone levels. Whether you're at "normal" or elevated levels if you're unlucky enough to convert to DHT then you're going to go bald.

We all have DHT in us and we need it for a healthy sex drive. Hair loss is all about testosterone, and DHT is the most potent form of it. Some men are just more genetically sensitive to androgens like testosterone.

Look at women who experience hair loss, sometimes they can have very low levels of testosterone, for a woman, and they then lose their hair, high levels can have the same effect.
It's the same with men, too high or too low a level of testosterone and it'll lead to hair loss.
Men who don't have a genetic susceptibility to hair loss will still lose their hair after 60 years onwards because their testosterone levels deplete more and more as they age.
There's a clear link between your androgen levels and hair loss.


TL;DR hair loss is all about testosterone, and in particular, dihydrotestosterone.

Just thinking about **** makes me want to have a ****.

That's it. I'm off for a ****

Deleted User wrote: »

Got a link to any papers showing that the general testosterone level positively correlates with hair loss in men? Or that masturbation levels correlate with baldness but sex doesn't correlate with baldness? Not even looking for causation, just a correlation would at least suggest there might be something worth looking into.

Testosterone relationship to hair and hair loss:

The trigger for this type of baldness (androgenic alopecia) is DHT, a powerful sex hormone, body- and facial-hair growth promoter that can adversely affect the prostate as well as the hair located on the head. The mechanism by which DHT accomplishes this is not yet fully understood. In genetically prone scalps (i.e., those experiencing male or female pattern baldness), DHT initiates a process of follicular miniaturization, in which the hair follicle begins to deteriorate. As a consequence, the hair’s growth phase (anagen) is shortened, and young, unpigmented vellus hair is prevented from growing and maturing into the deeply rooted and pigmented terminal hair that makes up 90 percent of the hair on the head. In time, hair becomes thinner, and its overall volume is reduced so that it resembles fragile vellus hair or "peach fuzz" until, finally, the follicle goes dormant and ceases producing hair completely.

Typed in masturbation and DHT and immediately the results that showed up included over masturbation in the title or article.

During puberty, boys maintain a high level of testosterone, which allows them to grow hair and mature. High levels of testosterone are normal for teenage boys, but as boys turn to men, high levels of the hormone can cause hair loss. Added personal stress and its induced inflammatory factors in the bloodstream can deplete melatonin production, which can heat the blood and cause hair loss. Meanwhile, men with low testosterone experience hair loss as well. [1] [2]




Over ejaculation triggers excessive testosterone-DHT conversion in the prostate and testicles, resulting in an enormous DHT buildup around the hair follicles and hair root. DHT attacks the hair follicle, interferes with the nutritional supply to the hair root, and stimulates the sebaceious gland that causes an oily scalp and hair loss.

Besides DHT, excessive masturbation burdens the body by creating a fight-or-flight state. In this stressful state, the body produces an abundance of cortisol, which induces high levels of prolactin and reduces DHEA, HGH and testosterone production. At the same time, excessive prolactin and epinephrine induces artery constriction, which leads to poor blood circulation everywhere in the body, especially in the scalp and prostate. All of these factors contribute to hair loss and premature grey hair.

In addition, exposure to stress and steroid-related toxins likely increases the activity of 5-alpha reductase for greater testosterone-DHT conversion. Excessive amounts of the amino acid L-arginine in conjunction with a high level of androgen hormone can over excite the nervous system for excessive testosterone-DHT conversion, which triggers a stress response.

In order to reverse the ill-effects of excessive sexual activity or over masturbation, stop ejaculating for a few weeks and let your body rest.

I never said masturbation has a different effect on hair loss in comparison to sex, they do have different chemical releases, sex being more positive and rewarding in the brain, but when it comes to hair loss they're both releasing the same thing, which is testosterone, to contribute to hair loss in men who are already more sensitive to androgen levels when done in extreme excess.
It's all about ejaculation in general, not the route to how you got there when dealing with baldness.

I think you misunderstood me when I was talking about over masturbation causing hair loss and not sex. Well in order to build up enough DHT in your body you have to be excessively ejaculating, and for that to happen you need to be doing it 5,6,7,8 times or more a day, every solid day, year in, year out. You'd have the same effect if you were doing that through sex, but that's unrealistic, but achievable if you masturbate excessively because you don't need to rely on somebody else being there.

Again, I'm going to emphasise you need to be excessively ejaculating beyond the point of being normal and healthy in order to for you do do yourself damage, not just to your hair follicles through over conversion of DHT, but hormones like prolactin are lowered and your body can be put in a stressful state of 'fight or flight' -long term, that's not good.

I'm not saying that over-masturbation is the sole cause of hair loss, but if you're continuously flooding your body with testosterone which the excess then gets converted into DHT, without giving your body a chance to level things out, you will be doing yourself some damage and contributing to your hair loss which you were genetically prone to in the first place, because you had a predetermined sensitivity to DHT.

A normal level of masturbation has no negative effect -nobody could argue otherwise.


If you want to ready up more about it just google masturbation DHT and you'll find a lot more on it if you're interested.