Feminist Men

Just a heads up; there are some desperadoes signing feminist petitions on their FB sites so as to look good yet talking some serious trash about them to the lads.

Frustration I guess.... Desperate measures; I lost a friend due to this. Wasn't impressed at all

Well, I'll say ths for all the misogyny mooted we hear very little use of the word misandry.

and if I indulge in both, in equal proportions which i believe I do would that make me bisexist?

starling wrote: »

Very true, I think one of the reasons why women are more likely to get primary custody of children in divorces or separations is because childcare is automatically seen as the woman's job, and it's assumed that it's her sole responsibility to do the things you mention like arranging their career around the children, using their holidays for childcare, staying home with sick kids etc.
Nobody ever asks men how they balance having a job and kids, or whether they feel guilty about staying in full time work after they have a child.
Many of the men who complain that they are being discriminated against in custody issues don't seem to connect these two things and instead claim that women have "too much power".....it seems kind of telling.

A lot of it also has to do with early established bonding.

I know a couple of fathers in fathers rights advocacy who abandoned their kids and then talk about rights, of course informed by feelings of personal persecution, whether imagined or not.

But again, this is one of the side effects of ideologies like this, both feminism and fathers rights or masculinism a, is they can offer a crutch on which to sideline ones own personal responsibility in their destiny. Victim status can be a cushy number.

I think the problem is thinking you can have it both ways, but for every choice you make the gods demand a price. Not going to show up for those PTA meetings or baseball games, not going to take a lower salary because your under five year old is out sick three weeks every winter, don't expect the payoff in a custody battle. Same for women now too though, the ones who take the stakes in their careers are not guaranteed the kids anymore in a divorce case.

starling wrote: »

Yeah peoples sexual turn ons are deeply personal, and you don't really get to choose whether something pushes your buttons in bed. Don't read too much into it.

In ideologies,the personal is political.

Firstly this is a male view, but I do have a gut "what" moment when men identify themselves as being feminists and generally view it as a rather cynical manner in that they are trying to be "right on", the same way I view people that wore Obama T-shirts over here (but I am rather cynical
I understand why a guy might be a feminist, but it seems strange to have that as your primary focus as a male when young men in Ireland have higher unemployment, higher death rates, higher suicide rates, higher drug use, higher risk of violence, higher criminality. I know these problems can be blamed on patriarchy but see my long clumsy metaphor below!

I view what as comparable to what happens in conservation charities.

Egalitarianism is the whole Ecosystem/Environment
Feminism is Lions (Lions Pride)
Mens Rights is Plants (Plant Protect)

A charity conserving Lions (Lions Pride) will receive a lot of funding and attention because its "sexy". This charity will then look at whats the best way to have a sustainable population of Lions, the best way is to have one large continuous area in a national park.

The Plant Plant Protect group don't receive much money, but they still look at the issue of conserving the most plant species from extinction and see that the best strategy is to protect a large non continuous area that has lots of different conditions.

The Conservationist concerned with the whole environment looks at the two groups and talks to them.

The Lions Pride people say, Our primary concern is with Lions but if our park goes ahead it will protect a lot of the plant species. You can't say we're not environmentalist and its not our mission to protect these other things let another group handle it we're Lions Pride not Save the Earth

The Plant Protect group, says look at all the other Plants that will be lost, Lions Pride receive all the money and resources because big furry mammals are popular, these other species are neglected, they shouldn't call themselves environmentalist when they don't try and protect the whole ecosystem.

The Conservationist says that both groups should work together to find a solution, but because Lions Pride has all the money and publicity their plan is the one that will go ahead, this is good for both Lions and Plants, but its a lot better for the Lions as a lot of plant species will not be protected. Both care about the environment but their different focus's mean that an optimal solution isn't reached, and because its Lions Pride that receive all the attention and money its up to them to help protect plants if they consider themselves to be good Environmentalists and not just people that like Lions.

In short I don't have much of an issue with Feminism when it is identified as being focused on womans rights not equality, I do have an issue with the idea that improving the society through the dismantlement of patriarchy can occur without an engagement with patriarchies negative impact in areas that do not directly impact females.
This is not to say I am sold on the idea of Patriarchy, but if you are it seems logical you would be against all aspects of it

Edit: I know this is meant to be a with a focus on womans view points and I was following this thread before it popped up on the front page, but I feel that when the opposite gender is being discussed specifically in a "non personal experience" thread, that genders input is valid.

I'm sure you will see the day where women get conscripted too. It will happen if and when they need the manpower, excuse the language.