Football Championship Thread 2013

Lemlin · 29-07-2013 06:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

A Laois man I believe.
Refereed last years Minor Final.

Is he good?

I don't think a Meath man should be refereeing Dublin.

shockframe · 29-07-2013 06:29PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Heard that there are not going to be any late trains to Cork laid on for Sat evening. Unless that changes, I'd be surprised if a big Cork crowd shows up. Even though I'm a Dub, I think its very unfair to have such a late game, and make non driving Cork fans have to stay overnight if they want to go to the game. Especially as a lot of them would have just had a very expensive weekend following both the hurlers and footballers.

Not too many would travel anyway. They are not expecting much after killarney and they were lucky to be there at all after last saturday. Even if the hurlers lost yesterday it would make no difference to support.cork have little or no faith in the senior footballers so without a good chance of victory only a few diehards are there.

tayto lover · 29-07-2013 06:39PM

Lemlin wrote: »

Is he good?

I don't think a Meath man should be refereeing Dublin.

I only saw him that once in Croke Park refereeing the Minor Final.
He didn't make a bad impression on me so i'd say he's ok but it's hard to judge on only the one game.
Thank God it's neither of the Duffys.

I agree that a referee should be from a neutral province although David Coldrick is always fair.

willabur · 29-07-2013 06:49PM

I've seen coldrick put in some absolutely shocking performances, who'd be a GAA referee honestly?

Frankie Lee · 29-07-2013 08:11PM

Lemlin wrote: »

Is he good?

I don't think a Meath man should be refereeing Dublin.

He is poor enough and liable to ride one team in my opinion. Probably no worse than other elite referees though.

harpsman · 29-07-2013 09:12PM

THFC wrote: »

Doubt there'll be many with the 7pm kick off, wouldn't have been many anyway but the GAA have made as difficult as possible for any Cork fans.

Obviously the internal combustion engine hasnt reached "the rebel county" .

Newsflash:theres no trains to Donegal any time but they still manage to bring 30-40,000 supporters to Dublin,with a much smaller population.

Get a bus and quit your whingin!!

Amprodude · 29-07-2013 09:48PM

harpsman wrote: »

Obviously the internal combustion engine hasnt reached "the rebel county" .

Newsflash:theres no trains to Donegal any time but they still manage to bring 30-40,000 supporters to Dublin,with a much smaller population.

Get a bus and quit your whingin!!

In all fairness, Donegal supporters come out to watch Donegal because they are a good side and Mcguinness is an interesting tactican and they play a style of football that is hard to counteract. Corks style under CC is vomit and with no game plan in any game nobody in Cork wants to go and see Cork play.

Neeson · 29-07-2013 10:01PM

Terrace on sale for Sunday.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2013 10:19PM

THFC wrote: »

Doubt there'll be many with the 7pm kick off, wouldn't have been many anyway but the GAA have made as difficult as possible for any Cork fans.

Kick off? What the hell does that mean?:P

bl123 · 29-07-2013 10:19PM

Neeson wrote: »

Terrace on sale for Sunday.

How do you know? Good to hear by the way

Neeson · 29-07-2013 10:48PM

bl123 wrote: »

How do you know? Good to hear by the way

On tickets.ie

Padkir · 30-07-2013 12:24AM

GBXI wrote: »

I have to make the point that Whelan was a right thug on the pitch at times, and in my opinion, hugely over-rated as a footballer. What he did to McGarrity in the 06 semi-final was scandalous. And he often did this in matches, sly and dirty little digs.

I have nothing against him as a person, never met him and seems like a very decent pundit on RTE. However, he was a level below the best mid-fielders in Ireland during his career, lacked real leadership qualities (which the best players always have) and as I said, had that real thuggish element to his game.

It was scandalous, everyone knew it, and this is what happened to him after.

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And before anyone starts moaning; yes Brady was a dirty player, not condoning it, just delighted Whealan got what was coming to him after that tackle on McGarrity.

Padkir · 30-07-2013 12:30AM

Bambi wrote: »

In the dying minutes of the game black cards could make the tactical fouling worse I reckon, teams will drag out the substitutions to run down the clock even more

Would definitely agree that it's a possibility.

They need to sort out the timekeeping, i.e. stop the clock for reasonable delays, or else you'll never stop cynical time-wasting.

GBXI · 30-07-2013 10:32AM

Padkir wrote: »

It was scandalous, everyone knew it, and this is what happened to him after.

And before anyone starts moaning; yes Brady was a dirty player, not condoning it, just delighted Whealan got what was coming to him after that tackle on McGarrity.

One of my favourite Mayo images! This might sounds like Mayo bias coming through, but I'd have Brady in my team any day ahead of Whelan. He was so much more of a leader, and much more reliable. Remember someone saying to me after the 06 final that we needed about 5 David Brady's in the team.

InchicoreDude · 30-07-2013 10:37AM

Hibbeler wrote: »

I think you could be right there. There were a couple of occasions in the last few minutes of the Meath-Tyrone game when the Meath players looked to take a quick free only to be held back so that the referee could give out a yellow card.

I hate that. I wish it was automatically a 21 yard free in that case. It would soon stop it

Crash Bang Wall · 30-07-2013 10:44AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I hate that. I wish it was automatically a 21 yard free in that case. It would soon stop it

I would agree there also.

However what I cant understand is the underuse of the 4th Official. Surely if all these refs are mic'ed up, the 4th Official (or whatever the technical term is) should be utilised re cards. Ref says yellow card 8 Mayo (say) flashes the card and the 4th Official writes it down. Allows a quick free to be taken
4th Official can then say thats a second yellow, show him red. Also eliminates the ref looking at his book and seeing he booked him already so may let him away with it

gooch2k9 · 30-07-2013 10:44AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I hate that. I wish it was automatically a 21 yard free in that case. It would soon stop it

I'd like a sin bin with the Black Card. Deliberate cynical foul player goes off for 10.

The way they tried it before didn't suit, sin bin for any yellow. Reserve it for deliberate cynical fouling which is what the black card wants gone.

InchicoreDude · 30-07-2013 10:50AM

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

I would agree there also.

However what I cant understand is the underuse of the 4th Official. Surely if all these refs are mic'ed up, the 4th Official (or whatever the technical term is) should be utilised re cards. Ref says yellow card 8 Mayo (say) flashes the card and the 4th Official writes it down. Allows a quick free to be taken
4th Official can then say thats a second yellow, show him red. Also eliminates the ref looking at his book and seeing he booked him already so may let him away with it

nice idea

InchicoreDude · 30-07-2013 10:51AM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

I'd like a sin bin with the Black Card. Deliberate cynical foul player goes off for 10.

The way they tried it before didn't suit, sin bin for any yellow. Reserve it for deliberate cynical fouling which is what the black card wants gone.

But if you are a point down with 1 minute to go and somebody stops you from taking a quick free, the black card sin bin will not be any advantage to the team who is a point down.

The score board is where you can really punish a team.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 30-07-2013 10:52AM

harpsman wrote: »

Obviously the internal combustion engine hasnt reached "the rebel county" .

Newsflash:theres no trains to Donegal any time but they still manage to bring 30-40,000 supporters to Dublin,with a much smaller population.

Get a bus and quit your whingin!!

What any other county bring to a match shouldn't have a bearing on Cork. If Donegal were being played at 7pm on a Saturday it'd be interesting to see how supporters would show up. It seems to be Dublin alone that are profiting from this throw in time, both the supporters and the players.

Now I've said it before in another thread, I don't give a shít about Dublin getting to play their games in Croker, but when the GAA are giving them a time that's extremely inconvenient for the opposing fans then I think the issue should be raised. And even for those with a car, it'll be after midnight by the time they get home. I know Cork aren't the best supported team anyway, but that doesn't mean the GAA should shaft the small number of faithful fans by putting the game on at a ridiculous time. I have a friend who lives out near Macroom (west Cork for those of you that are unfamiliar), and he's been to nearly every Cork game for the last 4 or 5 years, but he can't go on Saturday because of the ridiculous time the game is being played at.

I'm not trying to whinge, and apologies if I'm coming across as an anti-Dub (I've lived in Dublin for 2 years now and quite like the place and the team), but I think this issue needs to be raised. It's just not fair to expect the loyal Cork fans to travel at such a shítty time.

gooch2k9 · 30-07-2013 10:59AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

But if you are a point down with 1 minute to go and somebody stops you from taking a quick free, the black card sin bin will not be any advantage to the team who is a point down.

The score board is where you can really punish a team.

True, I agree with the free on the 21 idea.

Don't see the point of substituting the offending player, his team doesn't lose out that badly as they get a fresh pair of legs on the pitch.

Hibbeler · 30-07-2013 11:40AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

But if you are a point down with 1 minute to go and somebody stops you from taking a quick free, the black card sin bin will not be any advantage to the team who is a point down.

The score board is where you can really punish a team.

I completely agree that the only way to punish a team playing cynically and trying to run down the clock is a score. I can only see a black card or a sin bin contributing further to the stuff we're looking to eliminate. Even with the clock stopping the defending team still has broken the momentum of the attack and has a chance to mark up.

Having said that I wonder would the idea of bringing every free from a cynical foul in the defending team's half up to the 21m line unfairly punish the defending team for being 1/2 points up with 10 mins to go? What happens if the cynical foul is only just within the defending team's half? I do like the idea though

I think the best idea is for referees to try and keep the play moving. Attacking teams allowed the quick free and if the free is slowed up by the defending team or for a black card/sin bin it should be brought up double the distance it would normally be. If the play is kept moving the attackers have a chance of coming back while the defenders still have a chance of retain the chance of protecting their lead

Padkir · 30-07-2013 11:46AM

Prediction time I think...

Dublin vs Cork:
Think Cork will be well up for this one, so all talk of them not being motivated for Counihan (which may be true) will count for nothing as they will be motivated for themselves. Expect them to put up a decent effort but Dublin to pull away and win by 5/6 points; possibly scoring very heavily, in the region of 3-15 or so.

Monaghan vs Tyrone:
Really hard one to call and I'm going to have to sit on the fence I'm afraid... Draw in a tight affair, maybe 12 points each or so. Monaghan will be buzzing after their win vs Donegal but one massive performance can't paper over the cracks that were there before. In saying that, Tyrone haven't been great and if pushed I'd have to plump for Monaghan.

Kerry vs Cavan:
Much as I'd love to see Cavan win, I can't see it happening. One or two big performances from the likes of Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan and I don't think the Cavan backs will be able to handle it. Would love to be proved wrong but I reckon Kerry by 4/5 points.

Mayo vs Donegal:
Ok, I'm biased but I don't care. Mayo by 3/4 points in a nervy finish. Don't trust Hennelly in goals but think the full back line (on the right men from the start) are able to deal reasonably well with McFadden, Murphy and McBrearty. Need the forwards to fire fairly well for this one but I think 14/15 points should win this for Mayo. (A good hammering for Donegal to the tune of 10 points, leaving McGuinness with nothing to whinge about would be greatly appreciated but maybe a little optimistic...

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Syferus · 30-07-2013 11:53AM

The problem with betting against Tyrone is they've been digging out dirty wins this year. The Monaghan game is the perfect situation for that vein of form to continue. I don't really know if there's another level to Tyrone (or Monaghan), but we'll find out in the AISF.

harpsman · 30-07-2013 12:03PM

THFC wrote: »

What any other county bring to a match shouldn't have a bearing on Cork. If Donegal were being played at 7pm on a Saturday it'd be interesting to see how supporters would show up. It seems to be Dublin alone that are profiting from this throw in time, both the supporters and the players.

Now I've said it before in another thread, I don't give a shít about Dublin getting to play their games in Croker, but when the GAA are giving them a time that's extremely inconvenient for the opposing fans then I think the issue should be raised. And even for those with a car, it'll be after midnight by the time they get home. I know Cork aren't the best supported team anyway, but that doesn't mean the GAA should shaft the small number of faithful fans by putting the game on at a ridiculous time. I have a friend who lives out near Macroom (west Cork for those of you that are unfamiliar), and he's been to nearly every Cork game for the last 4 or 5 years, but he can't go on Saturday because of the ridiculous time the game is being played at.

I'm not trying to whinge, and apologies if I'm coming across as an anti-Dub (I've lived in Dublin for 2 years now and quite like the place and the team), but I think this issue needs to be raised. It's just not fair to expect the loyal Cork fans to travel at such a shítty time.

Donegal played Kildare 2 years ago and game didnt start til 7.30 and then went to extra time-Im sure anyone who was there will remember it for the thriller of extra time and kevins wonder point,not how late they got home. Id say there were bout 15,000 Donegal supporters there.

The games at 7.00 on a bank holiday saturday in the middle of Summer- its not THAT inconvenient-Im sure it wont kill little timmy or teddy if they get home a bit late one night.

PS the old friend "whos been to evey game for 4 or 5 years"-are we in to the oldest cliche in the world competition now?:)

markomuscle · 30-07-2013 12:10PM

my predictions

QF

Monaghan v Tyrone (Tyrone)

Dublin v Cork (Dublin)

Kerry v Cavan (Kerry)

Mayo v Donegal (Mayo)

SF

Mayo v Tyrone (Mayo)

Kerry v Dublin (Dublin)

F

Mayo v Dublin (not sure)

DoctaDee · 30-07-2013 12:18PM

Indo reports that 20,000 tickets have already been sold for Saturdays double header, prior to the county allocations been processed ... think we're looking towards 60k

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 30-07-2013 12:30PM

harpsman wrote: »

Donegal played Kildare 2 years ago and game didnt start til 7.30 and then went to extra time-Im sure anyone who was there will remember it for the thriller of extra time and kevins wonder point,not how late they got home. Id say there were bout 15,000 Donegal supporters there.

The games at 7.00 on a bank holiday saturday in the middle of Summer- its not THAT inconvenient-Im sure it wont kill little timmy or teddy if they get home a bit late one night.

PS the old friend "whos been to evey game for 4 or 5 years"-are we in to the oldest cliche in the world competition now?:)

Again, what Donegal have done in the past is of no relevance to the Cork supporters.
And again, it is very inconvenient to the supporters. The question is why is the game at 7pm? I'm sure when it comes to games you would be very well able to travel the country and you're just that cool that you don't really care what time the game is on at, but the reality is that most people do care. The GAA should be making the game an attractive day out, but for one county they have made it as difficult as they could. And it's not just the 'sunshine' supporters they're inconveniencing, any loyal Cork fan, a lot of whom are coming from west Cork, are being inconvenienced by this time also. Many won't arrive home that night until 1 or 2 a.m., which leaves a lot of folk pondering the extra expense of staying a night in Dublin.

There's no need for the patronising comments either, if you're not capable of having a discussion on the matter don't bother replying. And I don't see how giving an example of the inconvenience that we're discussing is a cliché, if you'd like more specifics I'd be more than happy to provide them.

blackbelt · 30-07-2013 12:46PM

THFC,

Be under no illusion, the times are setup for the tv ratings and the 7pm slot with the Dubs is just too attractive for the TV companies and the GAA.I don't think it is a case of suiting the Dubs but again the population of the two big cities tuning in is the basis for this.

The GAA would not get the gate receipts up if the Dublin-Cork game was fixed for the Sunday after the Donegal-Mayo game.They arepecting that game to bring in 35,000-40,000 by itself and perhaps Cavan/Kerry would bring another 15,000 in.

It is unfortunate for Cork fans but Saturday night in the middle of summer it could be worse.

yop · 30-07-2013 01:10PM

blackbelt wrote: »

THFC,

Be under no illusion, the times are setup for the tv ratings and the 7pm slot with the Dubs is just too attractive for the TV companies and the GAA.I don't think it is a case of suiting the Dubs but again the population of the two big cities tuning in is the basis for this.

The GAA would not get the gate receipts up if the Dublin-Cork game was fixed for the Sunday after the Donegal-Mayo game.They arepecting that game to bring in 35,000-40,000 by itself and perhaps Cavan/Kerry would bring another 15,000 in.

It is unfortunate for Cork fans but Saturday night in the middle of summer it could be worse.

Without doubt, much bigger grab of an audience at that time on a Saturday, though its a wonder they didn't have Dublin as the 4pm slot on the Sunday.

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