Smoking ban outside schools creches

seven_eleven · 29-07-2013 02:45PM

TheBody wrote: »

I'll never comprehend why people smoke.

Because they enjoy it?

Unfortunately they then get addicted.

DublinWriter · 29-07-2013 02:52PM

The teacher we had for third class in 1980 chain smoked....in class!

Would probably have a good chance of suing the state if I was so inclined.

listermint · 29-07-2013 02:56PM

MugMugs wrote: »

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

Is that a serious question. Does your burger and ice cream eating go up the other persons nose ? down their throat ? all over their lovely second hand lungs.

Tell me it wasnt serious. Ive been in croke park with idiots puffing smoke all over next to me. Thats open air. is that okay ??

Anyone · 29-07-2013 03:00PM

MugMugs wrote: »

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

I agree with you, I'm just saying this is Reillys latest tactic on his personal crusade. Hopefully he will go after the obese with similar gusto if he lasts that long on office.

kunst nugget · 29-07-2013 03:01PM

MugMugs wrote: »

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

I didn't say they couldn't smoke on the beach, I'd just like them the clean up after themselves because kids are going to be playing the sand afterwards. I wouldn't like a half eaten cone or burger left tossed on the ground either. Littering on beaches (well, anywhere really) is manky and while you have the free choice to do it if you want too, it makes you a bit of an asshat in my book.

MugMugs · 29-07-2013 03:02PM

listermint wrote: »

Id imagine he does. Ive never seen a smoker pick a butt up off the beach in my life. bury it in the sand where it stays forever....

I picked up a snotty rag yesterday in Rostrevor and brought it to the bin. Wasn't mine, still did it. But of course, despite this you're sweeping judgement of me is correct and I go out of my way to ensure that I pollute the local vicinity with filters.

listermint wrote: »

Is that a serious question. Does your burger and ice cream eating go up the other persons nose ? down their throat ? all over their lovely second hand lungs.

Tell me it wasn't serious. Ive been in croke park with idiots puffing smoke all over next to me. Thats open air. is that okay ??

If I pretend to be just as appalled back does this give my case more credence?:eek:

I made reference to the beach, the two posters quoted responded directly saying that my smoking on a beach would not cause issue with the exception of potential littering.
I did not make reference to Croke Park.

Edit: - Actually, you're not permitted to smoke in Croke Park or Landsdowne Road as it is.

hoodwinked · 29-07-2013 03:03PM

Yakult wrote: »

Just ban cigarettes altogether and stop pussy footing around the place.

i always wondered why they don't just introduce legislation that up's the smoking age by a year every year,

that way nobody is forced to go cold turkey and those thats its illegal for will never be old enough to smoke, it would in 20-50 years eliminate smoking (as far as they reasonably can) and make us all healthier (as much as they reasonably can) from lack of secondhand smoke as the smokers die out.

as for the ban i think personally its needed, after collecting my child last year i noticed one of the girls from the creche heading over to the smoking area and having a cigarette, she was only halfway through her shift so would have went back into the baby room smelling of smoke? thats not right. even though she was standing outside for one you would still smell the stale smoke smell you get off smokers from the uniform she wears when you walk past her.

MugMugs · 29-07-2013 03:04PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

i always wondered why they don't just introduce legislation that up's the smoking age by a year every year,

that way nobody is forced to go cold turkey and those thats its illegal for will never be old enough to smoke, it would in 20-50 years eliminate smoking (as far as they reasonably can) and make us all healthier (as much as they reasonably can) from lack of secondhand smoke as the smokers die out.

Because you've effectively got Prohibition.

Look how well that ended !

Victor · 29-07-2013 03:04PM

MugMugs wrote: »

What happens to free choice?

You are forgetting that we are dealing with children here.

Does nicotine give people free choice?

listermint · 29-07-2013 03:06PM

MugMugs wrote: »

I picked up a snotty rag yesterday in Rostrevor and brought it to the bin. Wasn't mine, still did it. But of course, despite this you're sweeping judgement of me is correct and I go out of my way to ensure that I pollute the local vicinity with filters.

If I pretend to be just as appalled back does this give my case more credence?:eek:

I made reference to the beach, the two posters quoted responded directly saying that my smoking on a beach would not cause issue with the exception of potential littering.
I did not make reference to Croke Park.

Edit: - Actually, you're not permitted to smoke in Croke Park or Landsdowne Road as it is.

Why would you pick up snotty rags, thats just mad.

Back to my original question which i asked.

Kids seem to thing its cooler now to smoke than they did in the last 10 years . Why?

MugMugs · 29-07-2013 03:06PM

Victor wrote: »

You are forgetting that we are dealing with children here.

Does nicotine give people free choice?

Does a burger give a child reared on fast food free choice?

MugMugs · 29-07-2013 03:07PM

listermint wrote: »

Why would you pick up snotty rags, thats just mad.

Back to my original question which i asked.

Kids seem to thing its cooler now to smoke than they did in the last 10 years . Why?

Because I enjoy the local facilities free of debris and rubbish. It's not mad. It's my way. I also said in response to your generalization that I litter.

Anyone · 29-07-2013 03:11PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

i always wondered why they don't just introduce legislation that up's the smoking age by a year every year,

that way nobody is forced to go cold turkey and those thats its illegal for will never be old enough to smoke, it would in 20-50 years eliminate smoking (as far as they reasonably can) and make us all healthier (as much as they reasonably can) from lack of secondhand smoke as the smokers die out.

as for the ban i think personally its needed, after collecting my child last year i noticed one of the girls from the creche heading over to the smoking area and having a cigarette, she was only halfway through her shift so would have went back into the baby room smelling of smoke? thats not right. even though she was standing outside for one you would still smell the stale smoke smell you get off smokers from the uniform she wears when you walk past her.

So, you want a ban on smelly people?

Anyone · 29-07-2013 03:12PM

listermint wrote: »

Why would you pick up snotty rags, thats just mad.

Back to my original question which i asked.

Kids seem to thing its cooler now to smoke than they did in the last 10 years . Why?

Because teens like to go against their parents/society's norms.

hoodwinked · 29-07-2013 03:13PM

Anyone wrote: »

So, you want a ban on smelly people?

no, well yes, they hurt my nose!

but for now ill take a ban on smoking if it means my daughter doesn't go inhaling fumes from someone else's addiction!

ScumLord · 29-07-2013 03:19PM

This makes no difference to me so I don't really care.

listermint wrote: »

The age range was 18 - 23 and i found it hard to point to people that werent smoking. Despite all the warnings is it again seen as edgey and cool ??

Because telling teenagers they can't do something is almost certainly going to encourage them to do it. The government is essentially promoting smoking every time they make a big public announcement saying how they're made smoking even more exciting.

seamus wrote: »

Don't see many people buying a burger and then shoving down the throats of everyone around them...

Tired old comparison tbh.

Smoking outdoors makes second hand smoke completely irrelevant. Unless someones contained in a small space for weeks or months with a smoker second hand smoke is a non issue.

listermint · 29-07-2013 03:21PM

ScumLord wrote: »

This makes no difference to me so I don't really care.

Because telling teenagers they can't do something is almost certainly going to encourage them to do it. The government is essentially promoting smoking every time they make a big public announcement saying how they're made smoking even more exciting.

Smoking outdoors makes second hand smoke completely irrelevant. Unless someones contained in a small space for weeks or months with a smoker second hand smoke is a non issue.

Every cigarette is doing ya arm

LowKeyReturn · 29-07-2013 03:22PM

One of the biggest issues isn't that smokers are perpetuating the habit, it's that they have no concept that cigarette ends are litter. Most beaches are disgusting mainly down to smokers.

MugMugs · 29-07-2013 03:22PM

listermint wrote: »

Every cigarette is doing ya arm

In a non confined space like a field or on a beach?

It's doing the smoker harm, not the non smoker behind them unless the smoker is blowing it straight down their trap.

Anyone · 29-07-2013 03:23PM

listermint wrote: »

Every cigarette is doing ya arm

So is breathing in the air, and eating processed food

LowKeyReturn · 29-07-2013 03:25PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Smoking outdoors makes second hand smoke completely irrelevant. Unless someones contained in a small space for weeks or months with a smoker second hand smoke is a non issue.

Typical comment from a typical inconsiderate smoker. Many people find the smell offensive, if someone was there spraying deodorant for a prolonged period of time most people would find it annoying. I've no issue with people smoking in a pub garden but I find it infuriating when people light up in a public area such as a beach or in a crowd with sod all consideration for anyone else.

Micky Dolenz · 29-07-2013 03:28PM

Were will the teachers smoke?

MugMugs · 29-07-2013 03:30PM

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Typical comment from a typical inconsiderate smoker. Many people find the smell offensive, if someone was there spraying deodorant for a prolonged period of time most people would find it annoying. I've no issue with people smoking in a pub garden but I find it infuriating when people light up in a public area such as a beach or in a crowd with sod all consideration for anyone else.

So it's okay for me to load myself up on the fruit and fibre and blow out the sounds of my people right beside you but god forbid I'd smoke near you on a beach?

The human body is capable of emitting worse smells than a cigarette can.

LowKeyReturn · 29-07-2013 03:32PM

MugMugs wrote: »

So it's okay for me to load myself up on the fruit and fibre and blow out the sounds of my people right beside you but god forbid I'd smoke near you on a beach?

The human body is capable of emitting worse smells than a cigarette can.

No it's not, it's called self control and respect for others around you. Something sadly lacking in many people.

ScumLord · 29-07-2013 03:32PM

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Typical comment from a typical inconsiderate smoker. Many people find the smell offensive,

You're choosing to get offended by a smell, that's ridiculous.

I've no issue with people smoking in a pub garden but I find it infuriating when people light up in a public area such as a beach or in a crowd with sod all consideration for anyone else.

In a public space you just have to bare it like everyone else bares the things they don't like other people doing when in public.

runawaybishop · 29-07-2013 03:32PM

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Many people find the smell offensive.

Many people find lots of things, smells amongst them, offensive. Being offended at something doesn't entitle you to anything.

Micky Dolenz · 29-07-2013 03:35PM

I find smelly beer farts in pubs offensive.

hoodwinked · 29-07-2013 03:36PM

ScumLord wrote: »

You're choosing to get offended by a smell, that's ridiculous.

In a public space you just have to bare it like everyone else bares the things they don't like other people doing when in public.

except we now have laws to control what you have to put up with in public spaces, e.g you are not allowed strip naked if you want to and run down a street in a city

this will be just another law to force people into doing what they should be doing anyways without having to be told.

hoodwinked · 29-07-2013 03:37PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I find smelly beer farts in pubs offensive.

well ill bet you didn't notice them before the smoking ban?

LowKeyReturn · 29-07-2013 03:38PM

ScumLord wrote: »

You're choosing to get offended by a smell, that's ridiculous.

More or less ridiculous that addicting myself to nicotine delivered in the most offensive possible way.

ScumLord wrote: »

In a public space you just have to bare it like everyone else bares the things they don't like other people doing when in public.

Again the typical comment of the inconsiderate.

+1 To hoodwinked's comment. So as smokers can't control themselves, we do need a law.

Smoking ban outside schools creches

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