Smoking ban outside schools creches

listermint

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/smoking-ban-moves-to-outside-schools-creches-29455490.html

School campuses and creche grounds are set to become smoke-free areas under a raft of new measures designed to make Ireland tobacco-free.

Health Minister James Reilly plans to step up his war on smoking by recommending local authorities introduce smoking bans at beaches and parks, as well as by bringing in laws on the sale of tobacco and by appointing an anti-smoking czar.

Now i have to say i agree with the sentiments of this. It appears to me at least that smoking is gaining traction of being acceptable again with younger generations. Stopping it at point (in school) makes sense.

I was at a relatives 18th birthday over the weekend, and found it slightly shocking that about 80-90% of the kids were smoking at it. It was a bbq thing in a house. The age range was 18 - 23 and i found it hard to point to people that werent smoking. Despite all the warnings is it again seen as edgey and cool ??

TheBody

I'll never comprehend why people smoke.

Ive been a smoker for over 30 years, never would I have smoked near my kids school.
I didnt need a ban to tell me that was stupid. I dont like children seeing me smoking for some reason I feel evil

seamus

Jake1 wrote: »

I didnt need a ban to tell me that was stupid.

Unfortunately lots of people do.

SweepTheLeg

TheBody wrote: »

I'll never comprehend why people smoke.

To be cool.

Corvo Attano

All the kids want them cool sticks

**Vai**

I'm not a parent so it would be weird for me to hang out outside a crèche or school, but I'm imagining its only the parents of kids attending said school/crèche who will be affected. They shouldn't need the law for that.

As for parks, they can **** right off.

Celly Smunt

There are two types of smokers.

People who smoke and Dickheads.

mikom

Health Minister James Reilly plans to step up his war on smoking by recommending local authorities introduce smoking bans at beaches and parks,

Burger vans still allowed at beaches and parks, Minister?

smellslikeshoes

Pointless laws to make it look like he's doing something, who will be policing people on the beach/parks?

seamus

mikom wrote: »

Burger vans still allowed at beaches and parks, Minister?

Don't see many people buying a burger and then shoving down the throats of everyone around them...

Tired old comparison tbh.

smellslikeshoes

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Pointless laws to make it look like he's doing something, who will be policing people on the beach/parks?

I think he just wants the press to focus on this and not his nursing home affairs.

Wag the dog, I think the americans call it

RachaelVO

Totally agree with this, and I'm a smoker.

I made the decision on what school to send my kids to based on the parents waiting outside the school gates, at one there was loads of parents smoking, so I wouldn't send them there. The other school was further away, and that got my vote cos no one was smoking outside the gates waiting for their kids

NegativeCreep

Ban tobacco, legalise weed.
I smoke but want rid of them!

Anyone

Does James Reilly do anything else other than go on an anti smoking campaign? Dont get me wrong, I'm ok with his proposals, but it just seems to me that's all he does.

Tabnabs

More interference into peoples lives and state control of individuals behaviour. No thanks Minister, how about you keep your snout out of what choices people make in their lives?

jimmycrackcorm

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Ban tobacco, legalise weed.
I smoke but want rid of them!

And then smoke weed?

mikom

seamus wrote: »

Don't see many people buying a burger and then shoving down the throats of everyone around them...

Tired old comparison tbh.

It will take a smoking minister to take on the burger vans, as the burger minister is busy taking on the smokers.

listermint

Forget the burger trucks and parks aspect of it.

The core proposal is schools. Do people not thing nipping it in the bud at source is best approach ? You will never stop everyone picking up smoking. But from my recent observations it seems to be on the rise again with the younger generations. One would ask why ? why is this occuring.

Merkin

This is just a ploy to keep the important stuff that's not being dealt with (or else handled appallingly) out of the news. Yawn.

Anyone

listermint wrote: »

Forget the burger trucks and parks aspect of it.

The core proposal is schools. Do people not thing nipping it in the bud at source is best approach ? You will never stop everyone picking up smoking. But from my recent observations it seems to be on the rise again with the younger generations. One would ask why ? why is this occuring.

The quickest way to get a teen to do something is to tell them they cant/its illegal.

NegativeCreep

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

And then smoke weed?

Well I'm not gonna look at it! Might eat it :P

Yakult

Just ban cigarettes altogether and stop pussy footing around the place.

**Vai**

Yakult wrote: »

Just ban cigarettes altogether and stop pussy footing around the place.

The government make too much on taxes to do that. Besides, it would work about as well as banning cannabis.

MugMugs

seamus wrote: »

Don't see many people buying a burger and then shoving down the throats of everyone around them...

Tired old comparison tbh.

If I smoke at a beach, I am hardly doing you any harm now, am I ?

Zillah

I like to imagine that the government has a dart board, and when difficult topics come up they hurl a dart at it to see what they can distract people with. Blasphemy law, internet censorship, free cheese, smoking laws...

Still in shock that the cheese thing wasn't from The Onion.

kunst nugget

Anyone wrote: »

The quickest way to get a teen to do something is to tell them they cant/its illegal.

Yes, that's why all I can see around me are teenagers injecting heroin while shagging goats, dumping household waste on the side of the roads and digging up preserved bogs. Those dirty rapscallions…

Anyone

MugMugs wrote: »

If I smoke at a beach, I am hardly doing you any harm now, am I ?

Thats not the ploy though. The idea for this is to de-normalise smoking. If a child sees adults smoking it can be viewed as "normal" behavior.

kunst nugget

MugMugs wrote: »

If I smoke at a beach, I am hardly doing you any harm now, am I ?

As long as you don't leave your butts lying around. Nothing worse than realising that where you've hunkered down with your kids on the beach and where they go to build their sand castles is liberally peppered with discarded butts.

listermint

kunst nugget wrote: »

As long as you don't leave your butts lying around. Nothing worse than realising that where you've hunkered down with your kids on the beach and where they go to build their sand castles is liberally peppered with discarded butts.

Id imagine he does. Ive never seen a smoker pick a butt up off the beach in my life. bury it in the sand where it stays forever....

MugMugs

Anyone wrote: »

Thats not the ploy though. The idea for this is to de-normalise smoking. If a child sees adults smoking it can be viewed as "normal" behavior.

kunst nugget wrote: »

As long as you don't leave your butts lying around. Nothing worse than realising that where you've hunkered down with your kids on the beach and where they go to build their sand castles is liberally peppered with discarded butts.

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

seven_eleven

TheBody wrote: »

I'll never comprehend why people smoke.

Because they enjoy it?

Unfortunately they then get addicted.

DublinWriter

The teacher we had for third class in 1980 chain smoked....in class!

Would probably have a good chance of suing the state if I was so inclined.

listermint

MugMugs wrote: »

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

Is that a serious question. Does your burger and ice cream eating go up the other persons nose ? down their throat ? all over their lovely second hand lungs.

Tell me it wasnt serious. Ive been in croke park with idiots puffing smoke all over next to me. Thats open air. is that okay ??

Anyone

MugMugs wrote: »

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

I agree with you, I'm just saying this is Reillys latest tactic on his personal crusade. Hopefully he will go after the obese with similar gusto if he lasts that long on office.

kunst nugget

MugMugs wrote: »

But that's the thing.

Yet, Somebody else can sit there with a quarter pounder in one hand and an ice cream cone in the other and that's okay.

Smoking causes cancer, fast food apparently to some degree causes cancer but also causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes.

So why one and not the other?

What happens to free choice?

I didn't say they couldn't smoke on the beach, I'd just like them the clean up after themselves because kids are going to be playing the sand afterwards. I wouldn't like a half eaten cone or burger left tossed on the ground either. Littering on beaches (well, anywhere really) is manky and while you have the free choice to do it if you want too, it makes you a bit of an asshat in my book.

MugMugs

listermint wrote: »

Id imagine he does. Ive never seen a smoker pick a butt up off the beach in my life. bury it in the sand where it stays forever....

I picked up a snotty rag yesterday in Rostrevor and brought it to the bin. Wasn't mine, still did it. But of course, despite this you're sweeping judgement of me is correct and I go out of my way to ensure that I pollute the local vicinity with filters.

listermint wrote: »

Is that a serious question. Does your burger and ice cream eating go up the other persons nose ? down their throat ? all over their lovely second hand lungs.

Tell me it wasn't serious. Ive been in croke park with idiots puffing smoke all over next to me. Thats open air. is that okay ??

If I pretend to be just as appalled back does this give my case more credence?:eek:

I made reference to the beach, the two posters quoted responded directly saying that my smoking on a beach would not cause issue with the exception of potential littering.
I did not make reference to Croke Park.

Edit: - Actually, you're not permitted to smoke in Croke Park or Landsdowne Road as it is.

hoodwinked

Yakult wrote: »

Just ban cigarettes altogether and stop pussy footing around the place.

i always wondered why they don't just introduce legislation that up's the smoking age by a year every year,


that way nobody is forced to go cold turkey and those thats its illegal for will never be old enough to smoke, it would in 20-50 years eliminate smoking (as far as they reasonably can) and make us all healthier (as much as they reasonably can) from lack of secondhand smoke as the smokers die out.


as for the ban i think personally its needed, after collecting my child last year i noticed one of the girls from the creche heading over to the smoking area and having a cigarette, she was only halfway through her shift so would have went back into the baby room smelling of smoke? thats not right. even though she was standing outside for one you would still smell the stale smoke smell you get off smokers from the uniform she wears when you walk past her.

MugMugs

hoodwinked wrote: »

i always wondered why they don't just introduce legislation that up's the smoking age by a year every year,


that way nobody is forced to go cold turkey and those thats its illegal for will never be old enough to smoke, it would in 20-50 years eliminate smoking (as far as they reasonably can) and make us all healthier (as much as they reasonably can) from lack of secondhand smoke as the smokers die out.

Because you've effectively got Prohibition.

Look how well that ended !

Victor

MugMugs wrote: »

What happens to free choice?

You are forgetting that we are dealing with children here.

Does nicotine give people free choice?

listermint

MugMugs wrote: »

I picked up a snotty rag yesterday in Rostrevor and brought it to the bin. Wasn't mine, still did it. But of course, despite this you're sweeping judgement of me is correct and I go out of my way to ensure that I pollute the local vicinity with filters.

If I pretend to be just as appalled back does this give my case more credence?:eek:

I made reference to the beach, the two posters quoted responded directly saying that my smoking on a beach would not cause issue with the exception of potential littering.
I did not make reference to Croke Park.

Edit: - Actually, you're not permitted to smoke in Croke Park or Landsdowne Road as it is.

Why would you pick up snotty rags, thats just mad.

Back to my original question which i asked.

Kids seem to thing its cooler now to smoke than they did in the last 10 years . Why?

MugMugs

Victor wrote: »

You are forgetting that we are dealing with children here.

Does nicotine give people free choice?

Does a burger give a child reared on fast food free choice?

MugMugs

listermint wrote: »

Why would you pick up snotty rags, thats just mad.

Back to my original question which i asked.

Kids seem to thing its cooler now to smoke than they did in the last 10 years . Why?

Because I enjoy the local facilities free of debris and rubbish. It's not mad. It's my way. I also said in response to your generalization that I litter.

Anyone

hoodwinked wrote: »

i always wondered why they don't just introduce legislation that up's the smoking age by a year every year,


that way nobody is forced to go cold turkey and those thats its illegal for will never be old enough to smoke, it would in 20-50 years eliminate smoking (as far as they reasonably can) and make us all healthier (as much as they reasonably can) from lack of secondhand smoke as the smokers die out.


as for the ban i think personally its needed, after collecting my child last year i noticed one of the girls from the creche heading over to the smoking area and having a cigarette, she was only halfway through her shift so would have went back into the baby room smelling of smoke? thats not right. even though she was standing outside for one you would still smell the stale smoke smell you get off smokers from the uniform she wears when you walk past her.

So, you want a ban on smelly people?

Anyone

listermint wrote: »

Why would you pick up snotty rags, thats just mad.

Back to my original question which i asked.

Kids seem to thing its cooler now to smoke than they did in the last 10 years . Why?

Because teens like to go against their parents/society's norms.

hoodwinked

Anyone wrote: »

So, you want a ban on smelly people?

no, well yes, they hurt my nose!


but for now ill take a ban on smoking if it means my daughter doesn't go inhaling fumes from someone else's addiction!

ScumLord

This makes no difference to me so I don't really care.

listermint wrote: »

The age range was 18 - 23 and i found it hard to point to people that werent smoking. Despite all the warnings is it again seen as edgey and cool ??

Because telling teenagers they can't do something is almost certainly going to encourage them to do it. The government is essentially promoting smoking every time they make a big public announcement saying how they're made smoking even more exciting.

seamus wrote: »

Don't see many people buying a burger and then shoving down the throats of everyone around them...

Tired old comparison tbh.

Smoking outdoors makes second hand smoke completely irrelevant. Unless someones contained in a small space for weeks or months with a smoker second hand smoke is a non issue.

listermint

ScumLord wrote: »

This makes no difference to me so I don't really care.

Because telling teenagers they can't do something is almost certainly going to encourage them to do it. The government is essentially promoting smoking every time they make a big public announcement saying how they're made smoking even more exciting.

Smoking outdoors makes second hand smoke completely irrelevant. Unless someones contained in a small space for weeks or months with a smoker second hand smoke is a non issue.

Every cigarette is doing ya arm

LowKeyReturn

One of the biggest issues isn't that smokers are perpetuating the habit, it's that they have no concept that cigarette ends are litter. Most beaches are disgusting mainly down to smokers.

MugMugs

listermint wrote: »

Every cigarette is doing ya arm

In a non confined space like a field or on a beach?

It's doing the smoker harm, not the non smoker behind them unless the smoker is blowing it straight down their trap.

Anyone

listermint wrote: »

Every cigarette is doing ya arm

So is breathing in the air, and eating processed food