Security at nightclubs

ambo112 wrote: »

Security are regulated by the PSA, Private Security Authority, you may take a complaint against him, he should have his license displayed, a credit card type license with his picture and registration number.

Aside from that, they can refuse admission, full stop. They don't need to offer a reason, not a nice experience, but that is how it is :-(

They do have to give a reason. They cant just stop you. Thats why they say you look too drunk. Easiest get out clause there is when you say your not is your told that they spotted you swaggering,tripping,unsteady on your feet etc. they are then covered.

BTW its not the doormen thats ****,its the owner looking at you on the camera abd talking in to their ears or they could be standing very close to them observing them.

They dont care who gets in. Less trouble for them if you do go in. Ya might remember that next time.

I know it can be very annoying when your refused based on the flimsiest of reasons given by the security staff

its even more annoying when your there to meet friends/family and theyre all inside and your turned away

the best way to come back from that is to not turn to abuse or violence but vote with your feet and hit them in the pocket

you and your friends just go elsewhere and never return

there are a multitude of pubs and clubs in the this country that will be only too delighted to have your company for the evening and let you spend your hard earned cash there!


im astounded that in these recessionary times that publicans etc refuse people who are willing to spend cash in their premises - it really doesnt make any business sense - so let them go under, and you will have the last laugh

i would suspect if owners knew their security staff were turning away so many people, the security staff would be removed and replaced. the owner wants a healthy bottom line at the end of the day

makikomi - could you outline the reasons as to why you refuse people

intoxicated is an obvious one, but is there certain traits or behavior patterns that you look out for, or is it mostly a gut judgment based on experience or what you feel is most 'likely' to happen with a certain individual later into the night etc

Jumboman wrote: »

Is there any point in speaking to the manager if your a regular at a place ? and have only being refused because their is new doorstaff.

Yup, in that case certainly. Sorry like I said I'm aware this is an ES forum and trying to give a brief and broad outline of the job and things people experience.

Wilco re. the reasons given.. Its largely down to experience, but the one which sticks in my throat is "regulars only" ~ its a bit of a slap in the face for a lot of people. But sometimes it works, ie if you're working the door or a (I'm using examples) rock bar you know the they of customer who likes rock/metal ~ when a few shams come up you know they're not rockers and they're just taking a chance because either they've been refused from other places or they know they won't get into most places.. Same goes for gay bars, etc.

Addicts are of course never allowed in, same as thieves (you get to know a lot of them), I'm not going to risk the wrath of the PC brigade but a certain type of nomadic people are very risky as are the people who sell flowers

Lighterman, sorry I may have read it wrong recently but I honestly don't have the time to search now.. Either way I carry mine in my pocket.. And I doubt you've worked a regular door tbh, concert security really are at the lower rung of the ladder... And I've absolutely zero faith in the PSA, it was/is just another FF/Green qwango and has made feck all difference to the security industry except to extract license fee's from people.

Oh its an ES forum so, erm ~ respect guys and girls, you don't get enough of it.

Have to fly.

**The job attracts Walter Mittys and power trippers, that I can't deny!

AllthingsCP wrote: »

Sorry they hold the right to not allow people in without giving reason, The supervisor would more then likely be the highest member of the team not the owners, Door staff would communicate with other clubs and pubs to spot the trouble makers and drug users and sellers and would more then likely stop someone matching a description that another club of pub door staff made kinda 50/50 sometimes they get the right person.

But Ds are not monsters and most are good lads and girls just the rubbish you deal with can start to annoy you for 60 euro a night.

On a rare occasion while i was working as a supervisor one of my staff was allowing females in and not allowing their male mates in this was to allow this member of staff a chance to chat the ladies up on the inside once discoverer the man in question was asked to leave the area and not to return

Again that is your experience.I have given my experience not yours.BTW most of my work is done around wicklow/kildare not the cities.I dont work in any location that there is several clubs therefore we can only communicate among ourselves.

Dublinmackem wrote: »

AllthingsCP wrote: »

So your acting the fool, Or the DS feel you would be a danger to others in the area and they refuse you, Your response will be ''reporting it to the manager and then broadcasting this''
but I'm not acting the fool or a danager to others, your making assumptions completly out of context, let's get real and keep it in the context of the OP who was not even drinking and refused for no valid reason.
Why so everyone can see you where
just looking for a confrontation?.
I wasn't looking for a confrontation; you're assuming again,


You said Hardly ever refused which means you have been at some stage refuse to be allowed into a pub/nightclub? Why.

I was refused from a club in London 2 years ago, door staff informed me it was a members club, I said fine, they suggested a place furthur down, I said thanks, end of.


Did you report that to the Manager or social media?.[/quote,

as above.

If it helps you understand my last post better.. I would suggest to use social media, forums, e-mails including cc's to door staff regulation group/s, vintiners association, local media i.e northside/southside people etc.. To highlight anything unjust from door staff as it a serious abuse for a very long time now and damaging to local buisiness, and to clarify; if you are being a danager to others or being confronta. Then the above does not apply to you.

Spot on Dublin Mackem. Bars in Dublin really do have bzarre and inconsistent door policies. And doorstaff very rarely give you a decent explanation. But it's not the celtic tiger now. I'm an old settled professional now. But I still got refused from a bar in Dublin city a while ago. "sorry, private party tonight". just laughed and told him he would have been more convincing if he'd asked for a ticket or an invite first We actually both just laughed. And my mates had all gone in a few mins earlier. So I phoned them, they came out and we went somewhere else. About a fortnight later was walking past at dinner time with colleagues. It was obvious we were looking to get food as we were looking at menus in windows. As we walked past, staff from that pub came out and he offered us menus to look at. I told him very politely we wouldn't ever go there again because of the bouncer. I'm sure he didn't give a hoot. But if enough people identify problems in any good business, the problem gets sorted.

wotswattage wrote: »

Again why report them 'just because' you were refused?? I'm sure in most cases theres a perfectly good reason to refuse someone.

Perhaps the bars should go putting photos of the people they refuse up on social media saying why they refused them instead of reacting to a one sided version of events which has snowballed in a matter of hour doing serious damage to a business.

Just look at that club in Dublin who got massive amounts of bad pr for refusing to carry a guy down a stairs in his wheelchair. He put up a sob story saying he was refused 'just because' he was in a wheelchair and humiliated for 45 mins in front of a queue of people. Why did he wait there for 45 mins after being given a perfectly logical explanation that the staff weren't going to carry him down but his friends could if they wanted?? He started a facebook campaign blackening the club, got the support of tens of thousands of people based on a half truth. When the truth finally came out the damage was done...

Do you really believe people should just accept it unquestionably? Because the security must have had a good reason? Come on. I'm a 36 year old doctor, never been in a fight or any kind of trouble. I hadn't had a drink at that point and was just meeting a few friends for a quiet drink. If a security guard refused to let me into a shop I'd mention it to the manager if, 2 weeks later, he asked me to come in and shop. It's entirely reasonable to tell staff that you're unhappy with a policy.