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What are ye're views on gay adoption?

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  • #62
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    What about interracial couples would you be against them adopting in case the child got bullied?

    I see kids everyday being dragged around the city by parents off their tits on drugs. I would be more than happy to see those or any other child be taken in by a gay couple. A child needs love and attention and if a couple can give that irregardless of their sexuality then who the hell are we to stand in the way? Not only would i be for gay couples being allowed to adopt i would welcome it with open arms. Welcome to the 21st century it can be a bit scary but you get used to it ;)


  • #63
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mad turnip wrote: »
    Working with children in an 8-11 age group, I'm completely against it. The kids with single sex parents (usually single mothers or lesbian mothers in my experience) stick out like a sore thumb and you can just see so much wrong with the child even after only knowing them for an hour or two, I've seen some people argue that they will find other sex role models, well in my experience they do not....

    edit: these views are based on about 100 kids over 4 years in the north dublin area.

    how many of the "sore thumbs" had single mothers and how many had lesbian mothers? really?


  • #64
    mad turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    You can make a lot of points about types of people who adopt children. This is about gay people and I think it's wrong.

    I think there's a major problem on this site with everyone arguing with the minority opinion. I'd say it discourages a lot of people posting...


  • #65
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    I'll have to wait and see how it plays out on Modern Family before I can vote.


  • #66
    mad turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    Deleted User wrote: »
    how many of the "sore thumbs" had single mothers and how many had lesbian mothers? really?

    Its my opinion based on my experience, do people have to question your opinion to the ground.... Apparently so...


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  • #67
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    mad turnip wrote: »
    I think there's a major problem on this site with everyone arguing with the minority opinion. I'd say it discourages a lot of people posting...

    So cus your in the minority your opinion shouldnt be questioned? Yep that deffinitely makes sense......


  • #68
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    seamus wrote: »
    Just because, apparently.

    You don't seem to have any coherent reasoning beyond that.

    Thankfully this part of the world has mostly moved beyond calling things wrong, "just because".

    I gave my reasons, you obviously missed them. I'm not repeating myself to everyone who disagrees with my opinion.


  • #69
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    I gave my reasons, you obviously missed them. I'm not repeating myself to everyone who disagrees with my opinion.

    No you gave your reasons and then were questioned about them logically and refused to answer those questions, "its my opinion" is not a valid answer when your reasoning has been proven to be completely illogical


  • #70
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    mad turnip wrote: »
    Working with children in an 8-11 age group, I'm completely against it. The kids with single sex parents (usually single mothers or lesbian mothers in my experience) stick out like a sore thumb and you can just see so much wrong with the child even after only knowing them for an hour or two, I've seen some people argue that they will find other sex role models, well in my experience they do not....

    edit: these views are based on about 100 kids over 4 years in the north dublin area.

    Was this a proper study? :confused:

    ..that there is so much "wrong" with the child...


  • #71
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I don't have a problem with it. But...
    If there were 2 couples looking to adopt a child. A gay couple and a male/female couple. Both were very similar in regard to criteria the adoption people were looking for. Who gets the child?


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  • #72
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    I don't really understand why people are against this coming in. There's no such thing as "gay adoption" really considering a single gay person can adopt anyway, so there are hundreds of gay couples raising children the country already. It's just that the couple can't adopt together and have the same legal ties to that child, so if the legal parent to the child were to die for example, the other parent, who could've been there right from the start, would have no legal relation to that child and it could be taken away.

    There's no protection at all for that child which isn't fair. So you could talk about opposing it for the sake of bullying or whatever other BS reason you could thing of, but fact is, all you're hurting is the child in those scenarios. Because regardless of you being against the introduction of "gay adoption", it's already happening in the country.

    You might say if that's the case why have a child at all if there's feck all protection for them? But if you want a family badly enough you will take that chance, and that'd go for any person, gay or straight.
    You're not going to possibly wait all your life until something comes in to give some security when it could be to late to start a family then and you've only missed out on something you've always wanted to have.


  • #73
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    So the kid raised by gay parents will be bullied.... By kids with straight parents???


  • #74
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    LizT wrote: »
    But they're the points you made. Why is it wrong for gay people to adopt using that logic and not wrong for wheelchair users, using the same logic?

    Because they're two completely different situations. Gay people choose to be gay and adopt. Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay. They then go ahead and want to have kids but they don't think of the consequences that the kid might face. More hate will be aimed at the child with 2 gay parents than a child with a disabled parent. The disabled person was unfortunate enough to be disabled, it's not their fault. The gay parents chose to live that way.

    I don't have facts to support that, it's my opinion. It's what I think. Like it or not, I don't care. I don't preach it in my everyday life, this thread just popped up and I gave my answer.


  • #75
    oldrnwisr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭oldrnwisr


    mad turnip wrote: »
    Its my opinion based on my experience, do people have to question your opinion to the ground.... Apparently so...

    They don't have to question your opinion to the ground, but in a discussion forum it tends to happen, especially when your opinion doesn't actually match what we have found by studying the matter in depth.

    Firstly, you made a category error in your opening argument by lumping single mothers in with lesbian mothers. This leads you to a false analogy since the OP was concerned with gay couples adopting. While we know that children of single parents suffer disadvantages compared to two-parent households, this has no bearing on a comparison between same-sex and opposite-sex couples something which your "experience" didn't comment on. Secondly, since single gay people can already legally adopt, talking about single mothers is rather redundant.

    The other thing is that your experience is, well, wrong. This is something that has been studied extensively in longitudinal studies in many countries and there is a robust consensus on the matter. This might help to show you where you went wrong:


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79982194&postcount=136


  • #76
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Because they're two completely different situations. Gay people choose to be gay and adopt. Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay. They then go ahead and want to have kids but they don't think of the consequences that the kid might face. More hate will be aimed at the child with 2 gay parents than a child with a disabled parent. The disabled person was unfortunate enough to be disabled, it's not their fault. The gay parents chose to live that way.

    I don't have facts to support that, it's my opinion. It's what I think. Like it or not, I don't care. I don't preach it in my everyday life, this thread just popped up and I gave my answer.

    And there it is, i knew it would come out eventually it always does, not much point arguing with someone like this tbh


  • #77
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Because they're two completely different situations. Gay people choose to be gay and adopt. Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay. They then go ahead and want to have kids but they don't think of the consequences that the kid might face. More hate will be aimed at the child with 2 gay parents than a child with a disabled parent. The disabled person was unfortunate enough to be disabled, it's not their fault. The gay parents chose to live that way.

    I don't have facts to support that, it's my opinion. It's what I think. Like it or not, I don't care. I don't preach it in my everyday life, this thread just popped up and I gave my answer.

    Are you serious????:pac:


  • #78
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    VinLieger wrote: »
    And there it is, i knew it would come out eventually it always does, not much point arguing with someone like this tbh

    Nope there's not so lets leave it at that.


  • #79
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Gay people choose to be gay and adopt. Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay.
    So when did you choose to be straight?

    Was it an overnight thing, or did it gradually dawn on you that you didn't want to be gay anymore?


  • #80
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Chucken wrote: »
    Are you serious????:pac:


    Yes. :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:


  • #81
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    seamus wrote: »
    So when did you choose to be straight?

    Was it an overnight thing, or did it gradually dawn on you that you didn't want to be gay anymore?

    I asked Santa Claus.


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  • #82
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    I asked Santa Claus.

    While you were sitting on his lap?


  • #83
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Because they're two completely different situations. Gay people choose to be gay and adopt. Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay. They then go ahead and want to have kids but they don't think of the consequences that the kid might face. More hate will be aimed at the child with 2 gay parents than a child with a disabled parent. The disabled person was unfortunate enough to be disabled, it's not their fault. The gay parents chose to live that way.

    I don't have facts to support that, it's my opinion. It's what I think. Like it or not, I don't care. I don't preach it in my everyday life, this thread just popped up and I gave my answer.
    You do realise that your argument is akin to saying "black people have smaller brains" in a debate about race?


  • #84
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    VinLieger wrote: »
    And there it is, i knew it would come out eventually it always does, not much point arguing with someone like this tbh

    It's the baseless of all the anti-gay arguments in the world. Their views being completely based on bullshít, nonsensical notions.

    Hardly surprising by now, though it's depressing how brain-dead stupid that makes their whole argument, yet they still stick with no matter what you say or evidence you provide which shows the opposite.


  • #85
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    I asked Santa Claus.

    I saw daddy kissing Santa Claus.


  • #86
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    I tried being gay once. I bought some red trousers and everything. It didn't work…


  • #87
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I saw daddy kissing Santa Claus.

    And he chose not to be gay and not adopt kids in the future and they all lived happily every after.


  • #88
    Flibbles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Flibbles


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay.

    Every single post under this has the right to be an attrocious dickhead to this poster as he is an ignorant waste of air.


  • #89
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Because they're two completely different situations. Gay people choose to be gay and adopt. Don't give me that ****e that they don't choose to be gay. They then go ahead and want to have kids but they don't think of the consequences that the kid might face. More hate will be aimed at the child with 2 gay parents than a child with a disabled parent. The disabled person was unfortunate enough to be disabled, it's not their fault. The gay parents chose to live that way.

    I don't have facts to support that, it's my opinion. It's what I think. Like it or not, I don't care. I don't preach it in my everyday life, this thread just popped up and I gave my answer.

    Why would ANYONE actually want to be gay? I'm a second class citizen with less rights than you for choosing it already, not to mention the bullshít some of us have to put up with.

    You said you'd be against it on grounds of the kid getting bullied, but it's your mentality that keeps this mentality alive, that it's different, it's a choice, so it's therefore inferior.


  • #90
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    And he chose not to be gay and not adopt kids in the future and they all lived happily every after.

    Why would you choose to be gay?


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  • #91
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    Has everybody who disagrees with gay adoption read oldrnwiser post. Informed opinions backed up with evidence are valid opinions. Uninformed opinions backed up by hunches and indoctrination are not.


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