What are ye're views on gay adoption?

December2012 wrote: »

So.... would you ban single people being parents too?

I think most people would agree its more beneficial to have two parents living together rather than being separated if they separate well the child may lose out somewhat. But in the case of gay couples your knowingly putting them at a disadvantage in life.

I'm not against gay couples, I just think children are better off in opposite sex families they might not be far worse off in same sex families but they are worse off.

I suppose I'd be biased...but I really don't see the problem with it. I think ideally a child should have their mother and father - not because its "better", but because those are the two people who created the child. What I'm saying is I don't see it all that differently to just having straight adoption.

I know a lot of people who are against it, but who are also against parents who are alcoholics / who feel sorry for children growing up in care. I think two good role models of the same gender are better than two bad opposite sex ones, or just one, or even none at all.

I'd rather have two parents who love me equally than two who don't. A bad parent, no matter what the gender, won't make a good role model anyway.

Iano_128 wrote: »

I'm sure I'll probably be slated for saying what I'm going to say but how and ever....

Before I start I'd just like to say that I've nothing against gay people, I have gay friends and we're pretty sure my little brother is gay, so before anyone starts, I'm not a homophobe, don't hate gay people etc etc.

Does anyone here really not think it could be a bit unfair on the child? Let's be honest, kids with same sex parents are almost guaranteed to come across bullying because of it, then you've got the possible problem of a child growing up thinking that being in a same sex relationship is the correct way to be "because that's what Daddy(s)/ Mammy(s) do so it must be right.

You also have the possible problem of kids of same sex couples going over to friends houses and being confused when they see a man and woman together.

Well, do you not think the same might be said of mixed race parents? After all, their children are noticeably different. Also, given that gay people don't look at their straight parents and imitate it automatically, I don't really agree with the same sex thinking.

I can't imagine it's any more confusing than having to explain to a child why there's only one parent, or why there are grandparents, or why one parent is black and one is white.

Iano_128 wrote: »

I'm sure I'll probably be slated for saying what I'm going to say but how and ever....

Before I start I'd just like to say that I've nothing against gay people, I have gay friends and we're pretty sure my little brother is gay, so before anyone starts, I'm not a homophobe, don't hate gay people etc etc.

Does anyone here really not think it could be a bit unfair on the child? Let's be honest, kids with same sex parents are almost guaranteed to come across bullying because of it, then you've got the possible problem of a child growing up thinking that being in a same sex relationship is the correct way to be "because that's what Daddy(s)/ Mammy(s) do so it must be right.

You also have the possible problem of kids of same sex couples going over to friends houses and being confused when they see a man and woman together.

That's a kop out. That's basically saying no child should be adopted by anybody with anything that could be picked upon by a bully. We've all been kids, if bullies want to pick on you they will find a reason regardless. What if a man and woman adopt a child but the man loses his job, bully: "ha ha your dad has no job and you're poor" what if your mother has a mole on her face, bully: "ha ha your mother's got a mole on her face" what if the bully simply decides to laugh at the fact that you are adopted, bully: " ha ha you're adopted" so now only wealthy, aesthetically perfect white middle class Catholic (because they are the majority in this country) male and female couples may adopt a child, even if any couple that may stray beyond those boundaries might do as good or a better job of raising a child.

Yes, because the lesbian or gay couple will never reveal the idea of a man and a woman being together to the child, nor will the child ever see such a rare thing on tv or walking down a street. If anything the child will simply end up being more open minded and liberal, probably a good thing too if opinions like yours are reflected among others in society.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Im not saying the parents are bad, im saying they will be bullied or ridiculed when people find out and the child will feel odd when he sees his friends have a mother and father.

What about children from one parent families? Or children in foster homes? Surely the same logic applies there too.

bumper234 wrote: »

Just.......wow

Yes wow.

LizT wrote: »

What about children from one parent families? Or children in foster homes? Surely the same logic applies there too.

I don't know about that, I just think kids will feel different when they have 2 Dads or 2 mothers and they see everyone else with a mother and a father. It will just bring unwanted attention/hate from some people. My opinion.

seamus wrote: »

Just like the children of disabled wheelchair users must feel. Those crippled monsters, condeming children to a lifetime of harrassment because they can't just accept that as a cripple they shouldn't be parents. Imagine how their children must feel when they see their friends playing football and running on the beach with their able-bodied parents.

You see how moronic that sounds?

The "children will be bullied" argument is nonsense, because children are already bullied for thousands of reasons which have nothing to do with their parents. If anything, widespread gay adoption will prevent children being bullied because having two Dads or two Mums becomes normal and nobody gives a crap. Bullies pick on the kids who stand out for being exceptional. If gay adoption becomes normal and not exceptional, then the bullies ignore it.

Crippled children didn't choose to be crippled.

Gay parents CHOOSE to adopt kids.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

I don't know about that, I just think kids will feel different when they have 2 Dads or 2 mothers and they see everyone else with a mother and a father. It will just bring unwanted attention/hate from some people. My opinion.

Yes and how do opinions and societal acceptance ever change if people choose to not challenge them?

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Crippled children didn't choose to be crippled.

Gay parents CHOOSE to adopt kids.

Crippled parents CHOOSE to have children.

Those selfish bastards.

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes and how do opinions and societal acceptance ever change if people choose to not challenge them?

Maybe they shouldn't be changed in the first place...

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Is it even PC to say crippled anymore?

So you actually dont care about the effect on the child, you are just interested in punishing people for their "choices".

I don't know ask Seamus there.

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes and how do opinions and societal acceptance ever change if people choose to not challenge them?

They won't. This thread asked for opinions, I gave mine.

LizT wrote: »

The point Seamus is making is - is it ok for a wheelchair user to adopt a child? After all, children may make fun of the child for having a parent in a wheelchair. The child may be confused that everyone else's parents aren't in wheelchairs too...

Do you see how stupid that logic is?

You can make a lot of points about types of people who adopt children. This is about gay people and I think it's wrong.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

You can make a lot of points about types of people who adopt children. This is about gay people and I think it's wrong.

But they're the points you made. Why is it wrong for gay people to adopt using that logic and not wrong for wheelchair users, using the same logic?