Security operation's for funerals

Originally Posted by awec View Post
Can't the family ask his "mates" for a funeral without any sort of paramilitary trappings then?
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Originally Posted by dundalkfc10 View Post
The family had already said before they knew the Gardai were coming that they didnt want a Paramilitary Funeral.

The man knew he was going to die some day. Your reputation whether you are dead or alive is defined by your own actions. Obviously when he was building that bomb he wasn't thinking about his own family and how they might have to suffer because of his wrongdoings i.e the man was selfish.

If you do something wrong in life it has a knock on effect for other people. Of course this should be a deterrent to do bad stuff but some people obviously don't think ahead.

I am fairly certain that as a result of the choices I have made in life there won't be a need for an entourage of gaurds at my funeral if I died in the morning.

The man knew he was going to die some day. Your reputation whether you are dead or alive is defined by your own actions. Obviously when he was building that bomb he wasn't thinking about his own family and how they might have to suffer because of his wrongdoings i.e the man was selfish.

If you do something wrong in life it has a knock on effect for other people. Hench this should be a deterrent to do bad stuff but some people obviously don't think ahead.

I am fairly certain that as a result of the choices I have made in life there won't be a need for an entourage of gaurds at my funeral if I died in the morning.

Yeah I agree with you there. But this guy was clearly a bad character and did bad things. Why can't others rise above the whole tit-for-tat thing and just give the family some respect that he didn't give to others? It wasn't their wrongdoing, it was his.

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Yeah I agree with you there. But this guy was clearly a bad character and did bad things. Why can't others rise above the whole tit-for-tat thing and just give the family some respect that he didn't give to others? It wasn't their wrongdoing, it was his.

And I agree with you to a certain extent, that being that the family should be allowed to grieve privately and not have the media hound them etc(which I don't think is happening)

A mother will love her child and so will family no matter what they do to a certain extent and they do deserve the right to privacy. But if there is a risk of trouble at that funeral even if the family have requested otherwise it is the guards job to keep the peace, otherwise if there was trouble we would have a thread giving out about the guards not being there at a known dissidents funeral.

I have heard of the garda approaching the family of a well known criminal that died and requesting there not being a funeral as it would cause too much trouble.

awec wrote: »

What protestors turned up?

Gardai where there to ensure there was no repeat of the disgraceful scenes at the Ryan funeral.

Gardai should be present at all funerals where they feel there is a risk the law will be broken, such as visits from masked men firing guns over a coffin. These people cannot be allowed to flout it when they see fit, they are illegal organisations and should be treated as such.

The big flaw in your argument is that Gardai were at Ryans funeral in the hours and days BEFORE the volley of shots.
They were harassing mourners, laughing and joking, and trying their best to put people off from attending.
They then arrested up to 100 people simply for attending the funeral.
They also left the murder victim's Mother in deep trauma when armed Gardai bodily searched her during the Wake.
Thats political intimidation coming from high office.
Nothing else.

Did you see similar police operations at the funerals of major Drug dealers or Crimelords? Of course not.

Regardless of how anyone lived their life, be they a paramilitary, drug dealer, waster who never worked or someone who lived a good life and worked hard, the one thing in common is that the grief of their family an friends when they die is all just as real.

Therefore their funerals should be respected and not subjected to provocative actions by anyone, gardai included

dubaicentral wrote: »

In fairness that is pretty good thinking from the guards, albeit not pleasant or something that should happen.

The Guards have to be one step ahead and obviously there was a pre planned gun salute.

From the guards position and the thugs who taught it would be a good idea to have a gun salute the mother was the least likely to be searched or have a gun so I am guessing the guards thought she might have been smuggling it. Would not put it past some of them to burden her with that.

Sure why not launch an air raid on the whole family home like the Israelis do.
Just to be sure.
She's the Mother of a murder victim who's son died days previously.
And you think it's a good idea to send Special Branch in to harass her.
Any wonder Republicans see the GFA as a sham peace deal.

awec wrote: »

If someone finds Gardai presence at a paramilitary funeral provocative then that says more about them than it does the Gardai.

I fail to see why anyone would have issue with the Gardai preventing paramilitary displays in public.

Did you support the RUC intimidation of Republican funerals as well?
They used the same excuse.
Suppose you're too young to remember those images.
Why aren't the riot squad visible at criminals and drug dealers funerals?

Why did the Gardai give a motorcade escort to Loyalist paramilitaries during the Queen visit?
Why did Kenny and Shatter invite Loyalist paramilitaries to share a platform with them during the Royal visit?

The actions and deeds of the State against Republicans have changed no a jot since the Treaty.
Business as usual.

Norwesterner wrote: »

The big flaw in your argument is that Gardai were at Ryans funeral in the hours and days BEFORE the volley of shots.
They were harassing mourners, laughing and joking, and trying their best to put people off from attending.
They then arrested up to 100 people simply for attending the funeral.
They also left the murder victim's Mother in deep trauma when armed Gardai bodily searched her during the Wake.
Thats political intimidation coming from high office.
Nothing else.

Did you see similar police operations at the funerals of major Drug dealers or Crimelords? Of course not.

Nothing to do with the fact that

a) If ye haven't noticed, the Loyalists are a bit frothy at the mouth, they could have attacked, planted a bomb, fúck knows what else,
2) Maybe some of those arrests were due to outstanding warrents?
D) Something else?

Fúcking sectarian bolixology. Sick to the fúcking teeth of this, both sides. Yer not fighting for "freedom" or ""The Cause" or whatever banner you're flying. You're up to no good, because there's money to be made, and fúck everyone else.

mathepac wrote: »

I honestly can't say because I have no evidence one way or the other. I hate this "technically" bit. If used at all use it both ways. In one case he was found technically guilty, in another he was found technically not guilty because gathering, presenting and evaluating evidence is a technical process.

Well you my friend are living a very closed mind existence if you think that he just turned up one day at a farm and started to build a bomb for the craic without any other involvement in crime previously. Building bombs is not exactly a gateway crime.

I get the impression that you are set in your ways so i will bow out now.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Nothing to do with the fact that

a) If ye haven't noticed, the Loyalists are a bit frothy at the mouth, they could have attacked, planted a bomb, fúck knows what else,
2) Maybe some of those arrests were due to outstanding warrents?
D) Something else?

Fúcking sectarian bolixology. Sick to the fúcking teeth of this, both sides. Yer not fighting for "freedom" or ""The Cause" or whatever banner you're flying. You're up to no good, because there's money to be made, and fúck everyone else.

Money to be made???
Well, there goes that argument.
Maybe why Seamus Mc Kenna died working as a labourer on a school roof, as he approached his 60's.
And no. None of those arrested had outstanding warrants.