UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman

El Guapo! · 10-07-2013 10:57AM

Silva says he wants a rematch in Febuary...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/7/9/4509582/ufc-162-report-anderson-silva-wants-rematch-chris-weidman-in-february-2014-mma-news

mwin80 · 10-07-2013 11:05AM

Based solely on his last performance - all the GOAT stuff aside - i don't think he fully deserves a rematch, technically. He got knocked the fluck out! It wasn't a close 5 round back and forth battle. He got put to sleep early in the fight. Any other fighter would not get a rematch after that performance. The reality, however, is that Dana feels obligated and duty bound to offer Silva a rematch due to Silva's history in the UFC, which is fair enough. I don't think the fans will have much of a say on this one. If Silva wants the rematch then it will happen and that's the question - does he want the rematch? Latest rumor is that he does and he wants it on the weekend of the Superbowl which isn't until February which, in my opinion, is too long to leave Weidman sitting on the shelf and is too long to leave the fans waiting.

As far as; "the burden of holding up the MW division" - this has been mentioned a lot and to me it's simple - being the UFC MW champ of the world is an honor and an accolade. It shouldn't be a burden and if a time should ever come when a fighter feels like holding a UFC belt is a burden then he shouldn't be fighting for it anymore. If he thinks it's a burden then he clearly doesn't want it anymore which brings me back to the question of whether he actually deserves a rematch.

Re: what should happen next - it's been widely noted since Saturday night that the super fights of Silva vs GSP and Silva vs Jones no longer make sense all of a sudden (although that's another debate). Well, Nick Diaz is looking for a fight again - while Silva vs Diaz didn't really make sense before i think that it could make a lot more sense now if Silva doesn't want a rematch with Weidman but still wants to fight. There is the obvious question of whether Diaz actually deserves to come back and fight a top 3 opponent but that aside, i think a hell of a lot of fans would like to see that fight - maybe even more so than a silva/weidman rematch. As far as the belt goes, i'd like to see Weidman hold on to it for a few fights at least. I think Mark Munoz is about to go on a rampage all the way back to contender-ship. A couple of very strong performances like his last one and he'll be right up there. I would love to see how Weidman vs Munoz for the title would play out. Two awesome wrestlers who love ground and pound has the makings for a very interesting fights.... and what a great achievement it would be for Munoz to go all the way and take the belt after overcoming all of his recent problems.

Mr. Manager · 10-07-2013 11:13AM

Can I ask why the whole "superfight" is off due to Silva losing?? Personally, I'd still absolutely love to see that fight!!!

mwin80 · 10-07-2013 11:24AM

Think you need to start another thread for that one! :-)

leggo · 10-07-2013 11:54AM

It's looking like the rematch with take place Superbowl weekend now, which I'm fine with. For all the talk we had of it being 'The End of the Anderson Silva Era'...we really didn't get an answer to that because the cocky bastid went out and acted a fool. All we've essentially learned from that is, "If you get too cocky and disrespect a top fighter, you'll get knocked out...even if you're Anderson Silva," which isn't any spectacularly new information.

Personally, I'd prefer to see him fight GSP first and have a MW tune-up match to fully work his way back to a rematch, all within about a year or so. I think that'd work better from a promotional standpoint too: if Weidman has made a successful defence or two then you have a strong, somewhat dominant champion in place and the old GOAT coming back to right the one major wrong of his career, taking the fight seriously this time as he wants to retire as the champ (which would be a nice poetic finish for Silva - like him or not after this week). Then we'll get an answer to the whole 'End of the Silva Era'.

After that, win or lose, have Silva/Jones so Anderson can get put to UFC fighter heaven, have one HUGE final payday and Jones can say he's actually beaten everyone worth beating in his generation and carry the GOAT legacy from then on.

Jizzear · 10-07-2013 02:12PM

Id give anderson the rematch over TRT vitor any day. 11 title defences in a row is pretty ridiculous no matter who your fighting. Even if he was 9/1 favorite in each of his ufc fights before last weekend he should have by laws of probability have lost 2 or 3 of those fights, the fact he won them all is pretty amazing.

Anyways if your gona do the rematch it has to be soon. Anderson is only gona get slower while weidman gets better

RainMaker · 10-07-2013 02:49PM

El Guapo! wrote: »

Silva says he wants a rematch in Febuary...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/7/9/4509582/ufc-162-report-anderson-silva-wants-rematch-chris-weidman-in-february-2014-mma-news

He averages about 1.5 title defences a year, now he wants to take another vacation before a re-match next year?? Does he know there's still 6 months left this year??

That has always been my main issue with Anderson - we don't get to see enough of him! It's one reason I appreciate the likes of Cerrone, Bisping, Faber, etc even after a loss they are back in the cage within a few months.
After last weekend, it seems Anderson has been on his holidays for some time, mentally at least, now he needs another break?

ScumLord · 10-07-2013 03:00PM

Andersons been trying his luck for a few fights now. It's like he's not bothered, maybe a break is what he needs to get some interest back in him.

I wouldn't give him a rematch either make him have a few fights before he gets another shot.

cowzerp · 10-07-2013 03:10PM

Let Vitor fight for the title and if he wins it then Silva v Belfort would be a great match up, i still firmly believe Silva got lucky 1st time out and Belfort has the beatings of him.

billy2012 · 10-07-2013 03:15PM

RainMaker wrote: »

He averages about 1.5 title defences a year, now he wants to take another vacation before a re-match next year?? Does he know there's still 6 months left this year??

That has always been my main issue with Anderson - we don't get to see enough of him! It's one reason I appreciate the likes of Cerrone, Bisping, Faber, etc even after a loss they are back in the cage within a few months.
After last weekend, it seems Anderson has been on his holidays for some time, mentally at least, now he needs another break?

Don't forget how old Anderson is. I think he is right not to be fighting 4/5 times a year. Granted I would love to see him

Of course he deserves a rematch, Feb seems extremely far away tho!!

RainMaker · 10-07-2013 03:31PM

billy2012 wrote: »

Don't forget how old Anderson is. I think he is right not to be fighting 4/5 times a year. Granted I would love to see him

Of course he deserves a rematch, Feb seems extremely far away tho!!

He's the same age as me, so I won't forget

Seriously though since Silva - Sonnen 1, he's had 5 fights in nearly 3 years, with a total of about 24 minutes of actual fighting!
If the guy is not interested, he should just retire, if he wants a challenge, he should ask for the Jon Jones fight...

Mr. Manager · 10-07-2013 03:47PM

To be honest, I don't like the appeal of Vitor v Weidman. Him and Bisping piped up once Silva was gone. Personally never saw them poaching for a shot at Silva.

Whoever wants a shot should have to go through Silva

DrPhilG · 10-07-2013 04:17PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Personally never saw them poaching for a shot at Silva.

I'm as happy to hate Bisping as the next man, but in fairness both Bisping and Belfort have been pining for a shot at Silva for ages. Bisping has been saying for years that he's due the shot, and was very vocal that Weidman shouldn't skip ahead of him in the queue.

Belfort has been bitching ever since his loss to Silva that he wants another crack.

p to the e · 10-07-2013 04:17PM

Whatever about Belfort requesting a title shot against Weidman I think Bisping is beyond delusional to think he's next in line.

MrStuffins · 10-07-2013 04:21PM

Bisping should earn his title shot by fighting a top contender.

That contender? Anderson Silva.

Personally, i'd like to see Weidman v Vitor and Silva v Bisping. On the same card would be ridiculous!

El Guapo! · 10-07-2013 04:22PM

Bisping always puts together a few wins and then falls at the last hurdle. It's nobody's fault but his own that he hasn't gotten a title shot.
Anyway, Vitor definitely has the tools to take the title, but both Silva and Weidman would wipe the floor with Bisping.

Mr. CooL ICE · 10-07-2013 07:06PM

Silva-GSP would be a bigger possibility now if Silva isn't interested in a rematch with Weidman. My thinking being that staying as MW champion and moving up a weight class for a superfight with Jones would solidify his legacy as GOAT, as he is at a disadvantage taking on a bigger guy. However, that doesn't make any sense now since he lost the MW title.

Therefore, going down a weight class to fight the champion seems like a more logical pathway if he would want to solidify his GOAT status with a superfight. Can he cut the weight to make 170? Well, I thought he looked a bit pudgy at the weekend, but that could just have been his shorts.

cowzerp · 10-07-2013 07:47PM

GSP would man handle Silva, Would probably wreck Silva's image to be honest

leggo · 10-07-2013 08:30PM

cowzerp wrote: »

GSP would man handle Silva, Would probably wreck Silva's image to be honest

Compare that to reactions after GSP/Condit, with people saying Silva would be doing the manhandling. I remember people slating me for saying GSP could still cause Anderson problems.

MrStuffins · 10-07-2013 08:35PM

leggo wrote: »

Compare that to reactions after GSP/Condit, with people saying Silva would be doing the manhandling. I remember people slating me for saying GSP could still cause Anderson problems.

I've been saying it all along. My money would be on GSO if he ever fought Silva.

Weidman v GSP would actually be a better match up.

Jizzear · 10-07-2013 10:56PM

I think its faur to say at this stage that gsp would give anderson loads of problems if they were the same size, They arent though and anderson is huge with gsp fairly mid-leveled size for a welterweight...no way gsp could finish him assuming he can get inside the reach to take him down and i just see silva catching him at some stage....gsp is very good on the feet but anderson is still anderson

dave1982 · 10-07-2013 11:33PM

LordChessington wrote: »

Whatever about an eventual rematch, Silva doesn't deserve an immediate rematch. It wasn't a close decision. It wasn't a controversial stoppage. He got knocked the F out

I think Anderson deserves a rematch solely for holding the title for holding for nearly 7 years!

darced · 10-07-2013 11:37PM

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Dermighty · 10-07-2013 11:46PM

I can't say I've ever seen GSP gassed.

leggo · 10-07-2013 11:48PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I've been saying it all along. My money would be on GSO if he ever fought Silva.

Weidman v GSP would actually be a better match up.

I could definitely see GSP successfully grounding and pounding him for 5 rounds, or coming up with a fantastically original gameplan to do the job. But then again I could also see Anderson catching him or controlling the range just as easily. I think GSP coming up against an elite fighter he can't afford to strike with could present huge problems for him...but then again elite wrestlers have proven to be Anderson's kryptonite. I guess that's why they call it a superfight.

As far as Weidman goes, I think him vs GSP would be a case of GSP again proving himself against a wrestler they said could trouble him and making Weidman look very ordinary. He wins fights in the mind first and then has an unmatched skillset with which to carry out his plans. So even if Weidman proved to be a slightly better wrestler (a massive if, I don't see it personally with GSP wrestling at a lower weight class and thus probably having a speed advantage...he'd likely be more powerful too if Weidman had to take a big weight cut), he's massively lacking on the strategic end.

I think Anderson could cause GSP a lot more trouble just because you can't create a 100% successful blueprint for beating him, whereas picking off the likes of Weidman is what St Pierre would train for on a daily basis.

califano · 11-07-2013 10:56AM

Dermighty wrote: »

I can't say I've ever seen GSP gassed.

He was slightly gassed against Diaz and even admitted it. He hid it well because he was able to stay below a tempo he didnt need to go over.

Ush1 · 11-07-2013 11:12AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Bisping should earn his title shot by fighting a top contender.

That contender? Anderson Silva.

Personally, i'd like to see Weidman v Vitor and Silva v Bisping. On the same card would be ridiculous!

That would be brilliant but it looks like the rematch is happening in Feb.

Jizzear · 11-07-2013 01:06PM

On another note if anderson loses rematch machida will prob come down, can be feed a contender like munoz or bisping nd get a itle shot fairly lively

Id settle for machida coming down to 185 and koing bisping, let anderson have his rematch

Dermighty · 11-07-2013 03:20PM

Jizzear wrote: »

On another note if anderson loses rematch machida will prob come down, can be feed a contender like munoz or bisping nd get a itle shot fairly lively

Id settle for machida coming down to 185 and koing bisping, let anderson have his rematch

I'd settle for anyone KO'ing Bisping!

Be like Nutella · 12-07-2013 09:10PM

Silva beats Weidman later this year and then fights GSP (after he easily beats big rig) before the final rubber match with Weidman next summer.

UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman

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