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Leaving a bowl of fresh water outdoors could save an animals life

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Firstly I'd like to see your source for lots of Irish animals dying of thirst.

    Secondly, the ocean is not the only water found in nature. That's ridiculous.

    Thirdly, there's a lot of water in food, any animal that's getting a meal is getting water too, and if they were desperate they could ingest water through plants. They already eat plants for their digestion anyway.

    Where did I suggest that the ocean is the only place to find water? :confused:

    I didn't. I said it doesn't count. i.e. of all the water sources, it's the one that definitely doesn't qualify as it's got too much salt content so it should be disregarded from the total number of sources.

    If you can't see the implication of that in my post, then I suggest you read it again.

    PS the op dealt mainly with strays. Strays don't get regular meals. So water through that means is not applicable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    What's this "stay fcuking classy AH" nonsense about?

    Why would you pigeon hole an entire forum with the posts of a few?

    Oh the ironing is delicious.

    Can call Americans "f*cking weirdos" on AH but the mod objects to pigeon-holing of the forum.

    Too funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    I left out a bowl of water for a stray cat who was taking a nap in my garden yesterday - poor little thing drank the whole lot in one go.

    I might make a little makeshift bird bath today too.

    It's nice to be nice people! :)

    It's easy to be nice to nice people.:)

    It's how you treat the other b'tards differently nice that really says more about you than them


  • Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kraggy wrote: »
    Where did I suggest that the ocean is the only place to find water? :confused:

    PS the op dealt mainly with strays. Strays don't get regular meals. So water through that means is not applicable.

    You said that animals aren't always near water. They are, unless they're trapped somewhere.

    And if we're going to play the snotty "read my post again because if you think I'm wrong you must have misread me" game, watch out for the bit in mine where I never said strays get regular meals.

    Anyway, if an animal can't find food for itself, why keep it hydrated to prolong the starvation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    We get foxes around my area. Don't think they care all that much for water, they're looking for something to eat. But in the case of cats, we leave a basin full of water in our back garden. It's supposed to be our dog's drinking water, but if a cat wants a drink, then by all means. We keep the dog inside the house at night anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    You said that animals aren't always near water. They are, unless they're trapped somewhere.

    And if we're going to play the snotty "read my post again because if you think I'm wrong you must have misread me" game, watch out for the bit in mine where I never said strays get regular meals.

    Anyway, if an animal can't find food for itself, why keep it hydrated to prolong the starvation?

    You seem to have a rather strange attitude to animals. I'm not really sure what you have against helping vulnerable animals. As for letting a stray starve to death, only a truly sick human being would ignore a starving animal. If someone finds a starving animal and they are unwilling to feed it they can always contact a rescue to help it.

    It's no skin off my nose if you choose to leave water out or not. All I'm trying to do is encourage people to make life easier for the animals in there area. Attacking a post and asking for figures on animals that you know the poster can't provide is questionable in what is a harmless thread aimed at putting some drinking water out for animals/wildlife that might need it.

    Just to recap, it's about putting drinking water out for animals, not a p*ssing contest between someone who thinks animals should be left to die and someone who wants to help them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I thought it was generally accepted that feeding/providing water for animals was a bad thing?

    It encourages over-population and, over time, leads to even more dependence. Then you have a local population of wildlife that can't survive on it's own, that is a probable nuisance (after all, who cleans up after the animals you feed?), and that doesn't have anyone who officially is responsible for their care.

    If you have a pet, great. But you are responsible for that pet. You have an obligation to it, and if you fail to take care of the pet; there are consequences. It's okay that your dog can't survive on it's own because, you will take care of it. You won't let it roam, and you won't let it crap in the neighbors lawn or bite their children (and if you did, you'd be responsible for those actions).

    But feeding stray animals, even with the best of intentions has a lot of potential problems.

    Four Reasons Not to Feed Wild Animals
    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/feed_wildlife.html

    Please Don't Feed The Wildlife
    http://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/_live/documents/content/Don't_Feed_the_Wildlife.pdf

    Please don't feed the animals
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/animals/KeepingWildlifeWild.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I thought it was generally accepted that feeding/providing water for animals was a bad thing?

    It encourages over-population and, over time, leads to even more dependence. Then you have a local population of wildlife that can't survive on it's own, that is a probable nuisance (after all, who cleans up after the animals you feed?), and that doesn't have anyone who officially is responsible for their care.

    If you have a pet, great. But you are responsible for that pet. You have an obligation to it, and if you fail to take care of the pet; there are consequences. It's okay that your dog can't survive on it's own because, you will take care of it. You won't let it roam, and you won't let it crap in the neighbors lawn or bite their children (and if you did, you'd be responsible for those actions).

    But feeding stray animals, even with the best of intentions has a lot of potential problems.

    Four Reasons Not to Feed Wild Animals
    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/feed_wildlife.html

    Please Don't Feed The Wildlife
    http://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/_live/documents/content/Don't_Feed_the_Wildlife.pdf

    Please don't feed the animals
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/animals/KeepingWildlifeWild.htm
    What has this got to do with helping thirsty animals or wildlife in Ireland. I'm fairly certain that there are no kangaroos or possums in Clare:confused:


  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Riya Zealous Circle


    I have orange juice, best before 5/7/13.


    Will that suffice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭tallaghtmick


    My dog has taken to knacker drinking WKD Blue and West Coast Cooler with the local kids. :(

    Bit harsh calling your missus a Dog :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭returnNull


    Jogathon wrote: »
    Just cleaned out the green stagnant water in my parents' water feature. Good deed done. :-)

    its only a good deed if you put water back in though.....:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    For anyone that believe there is plenty water in streams and rivers for wildlife, crows won't drink from a running water source only pools of water. You will see plenty dead crows around the place in the week ahead.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    MadsL wrote: »
    Oh the ironing is delicious.

    Can call Americans "f*cking weirdos" on AH but the mod objects to pigeon-holing of the forum.

    Too funny.

    The problem is with intent and judging by the amount of people supporting Micky's post, a lot of us are tired of people derailing threads with an ill conceived perception of AH. It was even brought up in the feedback thread. None of the posts being questioned in this thread were serious. Yet somehow people think AH is a haven of disturbed individuals because of'em. Because of something that wasn't serious or actually meant anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Nemeses wrote: »
    Except birds - They tend to sh!te all over my car... Not impressed birds... not impressed.

    You'd want to find a classier joint than Coppers so!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i applaud the sentiment but there's an effin great river in most towns, wild animals don't die of thirst... neglected tame ones do, but can they get to someone else's garden to find bowl of water.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    You said that animals aren't always near water. They are, unless they're trapped somewhere.

    And if we're going to play the snotty "read my post again because if you think I'm wrong you must have misread me" game, watch out for the bit in mine where I never said strays get regular meals.

    Anyway, if an animal can't find food for itself, why keep it hydrated to prolong the starvation?

    Are you a native English speaker? Because you seem to be misunderstanding things.

    I mentioned strays because strays were mentioned earlier. Then you said "any animal getting regular meals...".

    A stray doesn't get regular meals. Animals who are fed regularly are not the only animals out there.

    Also, it is false what you say about all animals being near to water. Especially at this time of year when streams have dried up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    corktina wrote: »
    i applaud the sentiment but there's an effin great river in most towns, wild animals don't die of thirst... neglected tame ones do, but can they get to someone else's garden to find bowl of water.

    Watch out for dead crows over the coming days ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 365 ✭✭Israeli Superiority


    Give stray cats water? Even though they fights in the middle of the night and wake people up? Fúck that, I'd rather see them dehydrate to death. They are little fúckers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    The problem is with intent and judging by the amount of people supporting Micky's post, a lot of us are tired of people derailing threads with an ill conceived perception of AH. It was even brought up in the feedback thread. None of the posts being questioned in this thread were serious. Yet somehow people think AH is a haven of disturbed individuals because of'em. Because of something that wasn't serious or actually meant anything?

    The point I am making is that the perception of AH as "a haven of disturbed individuals" is probably enhanced by the fact that it is deemed acceptable to post xenophobic comments about a whole nation. I find it ironic that Mickey gets offended by how a non-identifiable group (AH) is perceived but the mods have decided that insulting all Americans is perfectly acceptable. Baffling to me.

    However, speaking of derailing, we are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭daveyeh


    pigeon hole

    :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭sxt


    If there are any late night party animals in your house, leave a bowl of water on their bedside table


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I thought it was generally accepted that feeding/providing water for animals was a bad thing?

    It encourages over-population and, over time, leads to even more dependence. Then you have a local population of wildlife that can't survive on it's own, that is a probable nuisance (after all, who cleans up after the animals you feed?), and that doesn't have anyone who officially is responsible for their care.

    If you have a pet, great. But you are responsible for that pet. You have an obligation to it, and if you fail to take care of the pet; there are consequences. It's okay that your dog can't survive on it's own because, you will take care of it. You won't let it roam, and you won't let it crap in the neighbors lawn or bite their children (and if you did, you'd be responsible for those actions).

    But feeding stray animals, even with the best of intentions has a lot of potential problems.

    Four Reasons Not to Feed Wild Animals
    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/feed_wildlife.html

    Please Don't Feed The Wildlife
    http://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/_live/documents/content/Don't_Feed_the_Wildlife.pdf

    Please don't feed the animals
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/animals/KeepingWildlifeWild.htm


    Those links are about feeding. All the OP suggested was water. Besides, if it was a constant thing, fair enough, but this is Ireland. How frequently do we get this type of weather? (Not very, is the answer). There's plenty of wildlife (if not most wildlife) who've never experienced hot dry weather like this. It's out of the norm completely. Putting out a bowl of water for a passing thirsty animal isn't going to cause massive problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,484 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    I have orange juice, best before 5/7/13.


    Will that suffice?

    Probably. But you're still going to need water to clean up after whatever animal drinks the juice and ****es themselves all over the place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    There is just no pleasing some people is there ?

    One minute you are complaining about the warm weather and the mosquitos, the next you are putting water out for animals.
    Standing water is the perfect breeding ground for mozzies.

    So the next time you think about saving a cats life, just think about the dozens of poor children of Ireland that are shaking, sweating and ****ting the bed because of malaria.

    If you find a cat that is thirsty, find a river and..............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    There is just no pleasing some people is there ?

    One minute you are complaining about the warm weather and the mosquitos, the next you are putting water out for animals.
    Standing water is the perfect breeding ground for mozzies.

    So the next time you think about saving a cats life, just think about the dozens of poor children of Ireland that are shaking, sweating and ****ting the bed because of malaria.

    If you find a cat that is thirsty, find a river and..............
    Feed the cat chicken while it enjoys watching you drown idiot jones:P:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Pug160


    I think feeding smaller birds and putting out a birdbath is alright, as smaller birds can be vulnerable and need a bit of help. But I don't think feeding every animal in the neighbourhood is a good idea.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭CastingCouch


    You'd swear that all the water has been evaporated. There's loads of water still.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 147 ✭✭Speisekarte


    Pug160 wrote: »
    I think feeding smaller birds and putting out a birdbath is alright, as smaller birds can be vulnerable and need a bit of help. But I don't think feeding every animal in the neighbourhood is a good idea.

    Thanks for your insight Pug.

    Pug, making the world a better place since 2012.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Pug160


    Thanks for your insight Pug.

    Pug, making the world a better place since 2012.

    You're welcome.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Pug160 wrote: »
    I think feeding smaller birds and putting out a birdbath is alright, as smaller birds can be vulnerable and need a bit of help. But I don't think feeding every animal in the neighbourhood is a good idea.
    I wasn't suggesting feeding all the strays in the neighbourhood. It's great if people do feed strays, our 3 cats were all strays that arrived over the years in various states of neglect. As I said in an earlier post, if people don't want to feed strays they can contact a rescue or shelter who will do their best to help the animal. At the very least neutering/spaying them and having them vet checked.

    I feed strays in an area near me, every day I leave a litre of fresh water in a bowl and this morning there wasn't a drop left in the bowl. Where they are is quiet woody alongside an apartment complex so they have shelter and I'd say that there's probably hedgehogs etc drinking the water. I think being aware of and trying to help vulnerable animals in our communities ultimately benefits both the animals and the community.


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